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RUBBISH!! All metal tubes with a battery that fires a heating element on a tank connector made in the US are unique!!
thank you so much for correcting my mistake
I prefer the word : Knockoff .. and it's fairly pervasive throughout many industries .. some women like to appear to carry a Gucci purse, but can't afford the real thing .. it's no different than knocking off a PV ..
If youre not a part of the solution youre a part of the problem...
In other words
If some folks wants to whine about others buying clones they should start giving away real ones for clone prices
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In other words
If some folks wants to whine about others buying clones they should start giving away real ones for clone prices
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RUBBISH!! All metal tubes with a battery that fires a heating element on a tank connector made in the US are unique!!
Every, and I mean every E-Cig device out there right now, attys, mods, boxes, everything, is a clone of the original concept. Battery, wick, coil, wire, insulators, electrical circuit path wether electronic or mechanical, matings (threadings), buttons or switches, and a body to hold it all together is a clone of the original first e-cig, which current age e-cigs were born in China I do believe. This does not in any fashion de-mystify what is a knock off, improvement, modification, or what not of a newer design and methodology to achieve the end result for the end user. However, a clone of a work that use identical or almost similar markings and numberings, Chi Yu vs its Clone for instance, that is where I draw the line.
yeah, unfortunately they only build them there to avoid the tariff. they still cost too much and you can't import them back to the U.S.
I'm with you on that! As log as it's a close copy of what I'm looking for and not presented as the original so I know what I'm buying then cool and I'm taking my chances and know it but if I buy thinking it's the original and it's a cheep knock off then I'm going to war!
To me clone is a copy with a different name or says say "the Russian clone", knock off is presented as the real thing.
Firstly, It has never been my intention to break forum rules but because I can not follow up in my previous threads , I must post this here. If I am banned because of it, well then, I want to at least be given a chance to respond and be heard.
I want it known that if the concept of clones makes you angry, or if you think they are ripping off other peoples work, please, in the name of all that is holy, do not direct your ire towards the purchasers of these items, who are often new vapers, those who simply cannot afford the real things, and those who just refuse to overspend.
Instead this animosity needs to be directed at the clone/replica makers NOT at fellow vapers. This just creates a chasm and alienates others. I personally do not need/want any markings/logo's/ on my devices. The purchasers of these devices have NO CONTROL over what is put on them. By analogy, If you to wish to fight a war on drugs, you need to target the large cartels that are bringing these things into the country, not the poor addicts! Don't arrest the person who recieves and attempts to spend a counterfeit bill (the average person is not a currency expert), instead go after those who are printing these bills up.
You really think you would get banned for this?
Let me tell you, you have to repeatedly violate the TOS to get banned (thank God). I have had so many pictures removed by Classy...
She just tells me no, sometimes gives me a written notice, and tells me not to post that picture again. Frequently she links me to the appropriate section of the rules. I delete the picture from my photobucket so I don't get tempted to re-post it on the site again. I think if I posted the same moderated image two or three times, I would be in serious trouble, and rightfully so!
The mods are pretty fair with first offenses.
I just figured if their ad had the name like Nemesis Style or Nemesis Clone they would have to pay who ever owns the copy rights.
Or sometimes the company them self realizes some people can't afford the real thing so they use a different company, that they own, to produce a cheaper one.
This might be why you don't see ProVari clone on Fasttech, ProVape won't sale the Copy Rights.
Or sometimes the company them self realizes some people can't afford the real thing so they use a different company, that they own, to produce a cheaper one.
This might be why you don't see ProVari clone on Fasttech, ProVape won't sale the Copy Rights.
except the place I used to buy my knockoff gucci purses got raided by the cops and closed down.
I feel safe in saying there are alternative places still there for you .. somewhere, anyway ..
A couple years ago, in my area, the Feds shut down a really big operation .. they actually had a warehouse full of Chinese knockoffs and were pedaling the stuff at local Flea Markets .. Blu Rays, purses, shoes, designer jeans, you name it .. 2 months later, somebody else just picked up the slack and the same type goods started appearing again ..
It's like many things .. as long as people are willing to buy it, for whatever reason, somebody is going to supply it ..
Firstly, It has never been my intention to break forum rules but because I can not follow up in my previous threads , I must post this here. If I am banned because of it, well then, I want to at least be given a chance to respond and be heard.
I want it known that if the concept of clones makes you angry, or if you think they are ripping off other peoples work, please, in the name of all that is holy, do not direct your ire towards the purchasers of these items, who are often new vapers, those who simply cannot afford the real things, and those who just refuse to overspend.
Instead this animosity needs to be directed at the clone/replica makers NOT at fellow vapers. This just creates a chasm and alienates others. I personally do not need/want any markings/logo's/ on my devices. The purchasers of these devices have NO CONTROL over what is put on them. By analogy, If you to wish to fight a war on drugs, you need to target the large cartels that are bringing these things into the country, not the poor addicts! Don't arrest the person who recieves and attempts to spend a counterfeit bill (the average person is not a currency expert), instead go after those who are printing these bills up.
If it were not for the purchasers, there would be no market, and thus no incentive to knockoff the goods .. whether it be a PV or anything else .. while I somewhat agree with your thought process, consumers support the knockoff market so some blame must be placed there as well .. I make no judgement one way or another .. folks can spend their money anyway they like .. but it does seem sad that the originators / innovators lose money because a knockoff of something they worked hard to design and market is suddenly available at a substantially less price .. and consumers are willing to buy it ..
After being around the block a few times, I decided that there are things that I want genuine and things that I don't mind cheepie clones. I will never get another fasttech ego. Okish but not worth it.
The thinking behind this is similar to prostitution stings. Let's arrest the johns (customers) and the market will dry up. There is a certain roundabout logic to it but as in the case of drugs, arresting the addicts is really not gonna solve the issue. All I am saying is, don't belittle or look down upon those who purchase clones, aim your crosshairs where they should be. It is obvious that people are being made to feel a certain way, and this is something which must stop! I, as a vaper, have no direct control over what these replica makers copy. I have personally witnessed the banning of the sale/trade/or even talk of clones/replicas in several places (which I will not name). This is not something I am imagining. This hostility is real, tangible, and palpable. But I feel it is misdirected and all it does is alienate other vapers. Some people may think this approach is gonna work, I am sorry, but I just don't think so.
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ProVari can't be made without the high skilled labor and equipment the folks at Provape possess.
Even if some other vendor had the right material and plans, making a ProVari won't be practicable without very skilled workers. That's the issue.
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Very true.
But I realize that I, as a utilitarian vaper, view these devices differently than others. And that is fine. We are all different and like different things.
For me, they are essentially just tubes and boxes. They are a means to help people quit smoking, and in so doing hopefully save people's lives.
Whenever I evaluate a new device for purchase (mod, RBA, etc) looks are (for me) at the bottom of my list of selling points. Even though I have to admit I am starting appreciate craftsmanship and beauty more and more, it is still not what really sells me.
I always ask myself this question, "well what does this device bring to the table (aside from asthetics)"?
1. What is new, unique, and innovative about the device?
2. What are the features/functions of the device?
3. Is it versatile?
4. Is it solidly constructed? Is it durable? Does it have good conductivity?
5. Last for me is looks or "sex appeal". Is the finish shiny/polished or satin/brushed?
I think brass is sexy, but I am finding I like the two toned looked even more.
As an analogy, for me as a man, the naked female form is intriguing but it leaves nothing to the imagination (ie full brass mod).
A mod with brass accents, well now, this is even more intriguing. Everything is not thrust in your face all at once. A woman can seduce a man, and drive him mad with desire, by selectively revealing just what she wishes to reveal. In fact, she needn't reveal a thing, she can do so via the look in her eye, her conversation, her body language, etc. Such is the power of the mind and the imagination.
So for me markings, logos, designs, and serial numbers are not very important. But for some who buy clones, they may indeed want these.
I am am fairly new to vaping and I went to a local shop because what I had was not cutting it. Explained my problem, looked at the solution and bought it. The book it came with states it is "eGo Variable Volt/Watt APV". Later I am told it is a VAMO. It LOOKS like one for sure. First version, V2? IDK. The only markings on it are China quality marks (I think). One is the CE and the other is a check mark with ROHS beneath it, turns out neither mean much.. Knockoff? Sounds like it. Or is VAMO a knockoff? IDK. Knowing what I know now I would still buy it.
I do know that I want something that will fill my needs/desires. Seems to me I could spend a huge amount of time trying to ensure my purchase is an original. Which would also seriously limit my options. I am an end user who does not much care where it came from, only if it suits me.
Generally speaking I am a live and let live kind of guy. I try very hard not to fault someone for their choice and I generally ignore those who fault me for my choices.
Like another poster said here, all of these are a battery, circuits, and liquid. Where ever the first one came from is truly the ONLY original.
I do know that I want something that will fill my needs/desires. Seems to me I could spend a huge amount of time trying to ensure my purchase is an original. Which would also seriously limit my options. I am an end user who does not much care where it came from, only if it suits me.
Generally speaking I am a live and let live kind of guy. I try very hard not to fault someone for their choice and I generally ignore those who fault me for my choices.
Like another poster said here, all of these are a battery, circuits, and liquid. Where ever the first one came from is truly the ONLY original.
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