I Overdosed - plus Propylene Glycol in the UK

[silvertop]

Hello,

I'm finding the medium cartridges a little on the heady side. I think I overdosed yesterday, I felt like I had a high strength nictonine patch on my arm all day. Even when I woke up I still felt smoked out.

I've got a whole load of medium cartridges and instead of chucking them out I was thinking I could extract the nicotine and cut it down with some Propylene Glycol. Is this something I can order over the counter in a UK chemist? and is it food grade safe?

St.

 

[JamJarPenguin]

Hello,

I'm finding the medium cartridges a little on the heady side. I think I overdosed yesterday, I felt like I had a high strength nictonine patch on my arm all day. Even when I woke up I still felt smoked out.

I've got a whole load of medium cartridges and instead of chucking them out I was thinking I could extract the nicotine and cut it down with some Propylene Glycol. Is this something I can order over the counter in a UK chemist? and is it food grade safe?

St.

I want to try watering the high strength e liquid down. I'm still waiting for Smokey Joe to post. He said he was going to try adding boiled water. He said he had seen talk of it on the Dutch forums. Safer than adding even more propylene Glycol surely.

 

[TropicalBob]

You have a number of possibilities. Water seems to pose no threat if you "cut" the solution with it. You may also cut the vapor, however. Propylene glycol is on the marketplace in your area, but I have no idea how to direct you to it. You can use it to cut the strength without sacrificing vapor. I've been experimenting with vegetable glycerine bought at a health food store, but don't have enough experience yet to tell you how it affects my health or the device's atomizer, so I can't recommend it to replace PG. You can use food extracts which consist only of flavor and propylene glycol. Try a gourmet food store in your area. Some folks have really enjoyed the results of flavor mixing -- and Bananadoc is off cigarettes completely, using ONLY flavored extracts for his vapor. I also cook pipe tobacco just covered in water on simmer heat for an hour or more (three hours last batch) and then mix that with PG. Trouble is, there's no way to determine the nicotine content of the cooked liquid, but it's not likely high. Use only a little to get true tobacco flavor of your choice.

If there's an answer for you, SJ will find it. And boiling the water is a good idea to get rid of chlorine, fluoride or whatever other chemical mess your local purifier throws in.

Edit add: This seems a good place to add an experiment that didn't quite work out as planned. I found that food coloring mixes are mostly propylene glycol with food-safe color added. We eat it and it's safe. So could I create, say, red vapor shooting out of each of my nostrils? Could I create green vapor to blow at environmental club meetings? Yep, I tested it. And it really, really colored the cartridge foam, the e-device interior and I'm sure my lungs. Sad part is that I didn't get the strongly colored vapor I wanted. It took days to clean out the red color from my e-cigar! But it smoked fine! Just didn't get the result I wanted.

 

[silvertop]

I used to make my own moonshine a few years ago and I just checked a flavouring bottle I had left over - Tequila flavour (ingredients; Propylene Glycol and flavouring).

Dare I !!! :twisted:

St.

Ps. I then I stumbled upon this:

http://www.littlecigarshop.co.uk/product.php?ref=84
Cigar Humidification Solution 250ml

 

[JamJarPenguin]

You have a number of possibilities. Water seems to pose no threat if you "cut" the solution with it. You may also cut the vapor, however. Propylene glycol is on the marketplace in your area, but I have no idea how to direct you to it. You can use it to cut the strength without sacrificing vapor. I've been experimenting with vegetable glycerine bought at a health food store, but don't have enough experience yet to tell you how it affects my health or the device's atomizer, so I can't recommend it to replace PG. You can use food extracts which consist only of flavor and propylene glycol. Try a gourmet food store in your area. Some folks have really enjoyed the results of flavor mixing -- and Bananadoc is off cigarettes completely, using ONLY flavored extracts for his vapor. I also cook pipe tobacco just covered in water on simmer heat for an hour or more (three hours last batch) and then mix that with PG. Trouble is, there's no way to determine the nicotine content of the cooked liquid, but it's not likely high. Use only a little to get true tobacco flavor of your choice.

If there's an answer for you, SJ will find it. And boiling the water is a good idea to get rid of chlorine, fluoride or whatever other chemical mess your local purifier throws in.

Edit add: This seems a good place to add an experiment that didn't quite work out as planned. I found that food coloring mixes are mostly propylene glycol with food-safe color added. We eat it and it's safe. So could I create, say, red vapor shooting out of each of my nostrils? Could I create green vapor to blow at environmental club meetings? Yep, I tested it. And it really, really colored the cartridge foam, the e-device interior and I'm sure my lungs. Sad part is that I didn't get the strongly colored vapor I wanted. It took days to clean out the red color from my e-cigar! But it smoked fine! Just didn't get the result I wanted.

Brilliant and informative post Tropical Bob

@the OP I just found this a mixture of 50/50 H20 and propylene glycol at a place called the little cigar shop. It appears to be UK based


http://www.littlecigarshop.co.uk/product.php?ref=84

 

[TropicalBob]

Oh man, if I were in your country, we'd sit down with that share a vape of that flavor.

Aside: Your moonshine skills can be put to use making ethanol for cars. Backyard stills are returning in the U.S. and there are even spelled-out regulations so the feds make sure we not making something to sip from Mason jars. Heck, DIY hooch fuel is The Next Big Thing.

 

[JamJarPenguin]

Oh man, if I were in your country, we'd sit down with that share a vape of that flavor.

Aside: Your moonshine skills can be put to use making ethanol for cars. Backyard stills are returning in the U.S. and there are even spelled-out regulations so the feds make sure we not making something to sip from Mason jars. Heck, DIY hooch fuel is The Next Big Thing.

So is that stuff I linked to any good for our purposes? What I mean is are there different types of it because I know they use it in anti-freeze and stuff like that as well. My lungs are buggered enough without making them worse.

On the blurb for it it says it is for a humidor - which apparently is something for keeping cigars all cosy in their beds at night.

 

[silvertop]

Sarahjane:
I've just ordered some of that stuff from littlecigarshop so I'll report back once I've tried it.

Tropicalbob:
What are you vapour yields like with glycerine - anything to report ?

St.

 

[NerdyCinderella]

Oh man, if I were in your country, we'd sit down with that share a vape of that flavor.

Aside: Your moonshine skills can be put to use making ethanol for cars. Backyard stills are returning in the U.S. and there are even spelled-out regulations so the feds make sure we not making something to sip from Mason jars. Heck, DIY hooch fuel is The Next Big Thing.

Hey TB,
If I'm understanding this conversation here's a link I found googling Cigar Humidification Solution> http://www.cubancrafters.com/products.php/item_id/2659 many in Florida!
But I bet you knew about this stuff already.
There were plenty of other links also. If I started "mixing" would this be a good solution to work with?

 

[TropicalBob]

The vapor levels using glycerine instead of propylene glycol with home-brewed liquid are about the same, or perhaps even greater. My problem is I have inferior e-devices -- and that has worsened with the loss of two in the last three days. Both glycerine and PG are humectants, which means they draw moisture to them. If you put them on dry skin, as in a cosmetic product, they "moisturize" the skin by pulling humidity from the air. If the air is very dry, however, these substances can further dry the skin by pulling moisture to the surface. The same happens in our throats and lungs, which could explain the slight "sore throat" we have after extended e-smoking in a dry environment like air conditioning produces.

The cigar box humidifier seems safe to smoke at first glance of ingredents -- water and PG. It claims to maintain 70% relative humidity inside the cigar box. That's good for cigars, and probably for most of us. But I've learned in research how different we all are to the effects of humidity. I would DIE in Arizona. Or any desert area. I dry out, my nose hurts, my skins itches, my hair stands on end, I gasp for air like a fish out of water. But I love the wet tropical air in Florida. I breathe easily, my skin looks and real great, and I never, ever get a static shock. Others hate this humidity that droops hair and won't wick sweat away. Many claim they breathe better in dry air. Go figure.

But 70% humidity? That's close to perfect. I have not used this product in experiments, but seeing as how I need to dash to the tobacco store for some more Stonewall bits, I'll see if they have some in stock. Keep in mind that no one knows exactly how safe it is to inhale the propylene glycol that is 80% of commercial solutions. Our absolute safety cannot be guaranteed.

 

[JamJarPenguin]

Tropical Bob have we stumbled on something wonderful here. Or was this stuff already known about in the e-cig world?

 

[TropicalBob]

I certainly didn't know about it. It could be a wonderful discovery. I'm hoping Dr. Jim Loi weighs into this discussion with his medical knowledge.

 

[JamJarPenguin]

I certainly didn't know about it. It could be a wonderful discovery. I'm hoping Dr. Jim Loi weighs into this discussion with his medical knowledge.

We have a doctor on here?
Fabulous, we must seek him out.

I have decided to award myself a gold star for this discovery. :mrgreen:

 

[TropicalBob]

As well you should.

You'll find Dr. Loi's posts in the health section of this forum. If Thomas Edison and Mother Theresa had had a love child, Dr. Loi would be that child. He's an incredible human being.

 

[dnakr]

I personally like the vegetable glycerine better than the cigar humidification solution.

When TB first talked about his experiments, I went out and bought the cigar humidification solution from my local tobacco store for my experiments. I wanted to cut my nicotine in half.

IMO I don't get as much "smoke" vapor as I did from just using e-liquid alone. I tried using it with e-liquid by 50/50 and It seemed watery. Example: I normally use 2 drops of e-liquid in my atomizer. If I did this with the humidification solution - it would take several puffs before I could produce any smoke. It was like I was cleaning my atomizer. Now maybe if I tried differenty ratios, I would have been able to find a fix; however, I found that the vegetable glycerine is definitely thicker, so by adding just e-liquid to it - it just reduces the nicotine, not the vapor. It also worked better with my DIY nicotine.

I hope someone comes up with a ratio that works.

 

[NerdyCinderella]

....I have decided to award myself a gold star for this discovery. :mrgreen:

Hey, wait! I found it in Florida for our expert to check it out. Don't I deserve something?

 

[JamJarPenguin]

I thought this might be of interest
Toxicological evaluation of glycerin as a cigarette ingredient.

http://www.cababstractsplus.org/google/ ... 0053166406

 

[karenwest1961]

Keep in mind that no one knows exactly how safe it is to inhale the propylene glycol that is 80% of commercial solutions. Our absolute safety cannot be guaranteed.

Dude! What they gonna put on our autopsy report since e-smokin' ain't mainstream here in the states and morticians wouldn't have a clue? "Old Farts suckin' up theatrical vapors at the New Kids On The Block reunion tour" ?

 

[silvertop]

I have decided to award myself a gold star for this discovery. :mrgreen:

SarahJane - I beat you to that link by 8 minutes - check on page one !

I just popped out to the supermarket and picked up some glycerine for a few pence. Seems to be quite thick and syrupy and odurless. Not sure if I really want to try it in my new Njoy.

St.

 

[JamJarPenguin]

I have decided to award myself a gold star for this discovery. :mrgreen:

SarahJane - I beat you to that link by 8 minutes - check on page one !

I just popped out to the supermarket and picked up some glycerine for a few pence. Seems to be quite thick and syrupy and odurless. Not sure if I really want to try it in my new Njoy.

St.

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