I Wish People Wouldn't Be So Quick to Blame Vaping for Everything

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RandaPandaBear

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I'd be interested in the results of a test where you had the placebo. Expectation of a result has been shown to make it far more likely. :)

True story. I've gotten to the point now where I don't even READ any side effects unless it's BEFORE being prescribed to make sure that I wouldn't want any.. like weight gain :D

I'm a psych major, I think too much and I know too much bahahaha
 
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Love the Post!! Very true. I had a heated debate with a friend about them. "It's not quitting, You're substituting one addiction for another, There's still nicotine!" Blah blah blah. Maybe I am substituting , but i'm subtracting 4,000 other chemicals , nicotine is about as bad as caffeine, and my body sure does feel like I HAVE quit smoking. I'm okay with the road of body changes, the ups and downs. I get my body is healing so I'm ignoring whatever setback's I've been feeling for the fact the bonuses are amazing. Feels good to be free! Free from lighters, free from counting smokes ,the anxiety of only having 4 left, & free from being stinky!
I think my friend is just on a high/jealous horse anyways because he recently quit smoking cold turkey :p

I keep having this discussion with my friend. "you're still smoking.." "NO IM NOT THERE'S NO SMOKE NOTHING BURNING, IT'S glycerin being heated up with a coil, producing vapor"

sheesh. lol
 

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This is the first post that I have seen go sideways in any way shape or form and I hope it is an anomaly and not a norm. This is not the forum for this type of forum. There are other forums designed for that. This one was not designed for that...
I "liked" your post for everything else you said, other than what I quoted above.
But when you've been around for awhile, you'll see there are a lot of "sideways" threads around this topic.
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My personal opinion is that hypochodriacs can post here just as easily as the rest of us.
That's not to say that there are no "real" side-effects from vaping, but they are generally minor and well known.

There are no mysteries here, although there are often misleading misconceptions.
And I'll definitely be willing to stand by that.
 

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Hypochodriacs? I don't even have aspirin in my ...well I don't even have a medicine cabinet. I don't remember the last time i was sick and as far as medical records go, I don't even exist. So when I start sleeping 14 hours a day (from my normal 7 hours ) I logically start asking why. Anyway, I know people here can be defensive to the point that they would rather blame toothpaste changes over vaping (lol). But there are also and in greater part, very knowledgeable people that love to help and that's the reason I am here. If you feel like you're so advanced on the subject that all these "petty" problems are even beyond your ability to consider, then maybe you should leave these types of threads to those who are willing to provide their experience and knowledge in a constructive manner. There's plenty of "feel good" threads you can go bask in.

FFS I just felt my karma points go down, but I'm just dumbfounded by some of the reactions here.
 

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Hypochodriacs? I don't even have aspirin in my ...well I don't even have a medicine cabinet. I don't remember the last time i was sick and as far as medical records go, I don't even exist. So when I start sleeping 14 hours a day (from my normal 7 hours ) I logically start asking why. Anyway, I know people here can be defensive to the point that they would rather blame toothpaste changes over vaping (lol). But there are also and in greater part, very knowledgeable people that love to help and that's the reason I am here. If you feel like you're so advanced on the subject that all these "petty" problems are even beyond your ability to consider, then maybe you should leave these types of threads to those who are willing to provide their experience and knowledge in a constructive manner. There's plenty of "feel good" threads you can go bask in.

FFS I just felt my karma points go down, but I'm just dumbfounded by some of the reactions here.

No one said you were a hypochondriac
 

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Hypochodriacs? I don't even have aspirin in my ...well I don't even have a medicine cabinet. I don't remember the last time i was sick and as far as medical records go, I don't even exist. So when I start sleeping 14 hours a day (from my normal 7 hours ) I logically start asking why. Anyway, I know people here can be defensive to the point that they would rather blame toothpaste changes over vaping (lol). But there are also and in greater part, very knowledgeable people that love to help and that's the reason I am here. If you feel like you're so advanced on the subject that all these "petty" problems are even beyond your ability to consider, then maybe you should leave these types of threads to those who are willing to provide their experience and knowledge in a constructive manner. There's plenty of "feel good" threads you can go bask in.

FFS I just felt my karma points go down, but I'm just dumbfounded by some of the reactions here.

I am right at 3 weeks in and I too noticed I was more sleepy than I used to be. I was vaping 24mg juice almost constantly. Once I started to slow down vaping is when it hit. I was actually getting too much nic when I was smoking 2+ pad or vaping constantly. Nic is a stimulant so if you are used to a certain amount then back down you won't have the get up and go you used to have. Just yesterday I vaped allot just to see for myself if this was it. Sure enough it was. YMMV
 
I think my friend is just on a high/jealous horse anyways because he recently quit smoking cold turkey :p

Hmmmmm.....I've run into a few people (mostly never-smokers) who give me the impression that they think that quitting smoking should be difficult/painful; and that, somehow, if it's not, you lack something admirable, or are less committed to quitting tobacco. That's their problem. Not yours.

I've run into ex-smokers who definitely give me the impression that they are jealous, after they went through all the trials and tribulations of quitting; somehow, in their minds, you've got it "easy", despite all the cr@p you might be going through.

On the other side of things, withdrawing from the chemical cocktail that is tobacco can have some profound and unexpected side effects. It's always best to expect things and not feel like you've suddenly become the Lone Ranger. You always have company. That's what we're here for.
 
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While I have not totally quit the analogs yet - I am a lot further than I would have been without my PV (down to 5 or 6 a day - and I very happy with my progress)...

I suggest you get some nic with a little higher level than whatever you are using, and an atomizer/drip set up. Use what you are using now for your "all day" vape, and drop the higher nic level when you are getting cravings for a real cig.

I spent 2 months vaping, had cut way down, but couldn't get off the cigs. Then I tried a higher nic level (dripping it when I felt cravings) and it worked great. I haven't been tempted by another cig since, and I gave away the 1/2 pack I already had open. I've got 6 full unopened packs sitting here next to me - but I don't need them.

A lot of people end up in that situation, I think. They cut way down, but can't get rid of the last few. For me, using a higher nic level got me past that problem.
 

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I suggest you get some nic with a little higher level than whatever you are using, and an atomizer/drip set up. Use what you are using now for your "all day" vape, and drop the higher nic level when you are getting cravings for a real cig.

I spent 2 months vaping, had cut way down, but couldn't get off the cigs. Then I tried a higher nic level (dripping it when I felt cravings) and it worked great. I haven't been tempted by another cig since, and I gave away the 1/2 pack I already had open. I've got 6 full unopened packs sitting here next to me - but I don't need them.

A lot of people end up in that situation, I think. They cut way down, but can't get rid of the last few. For me, using a higher nic level got me past that problem.

I have already thought of this. I am currently vaping 18 and 24mg juice so going to a higher juice may be difficult. I have thought about buying a non flavored 30ml bottle of 36mg just for spot vaping (I can cut it later to 18mg easy enough), but just have not found the right combination to try. I am using a 510 ego (650mah) atty with carts right now. Am not sure if I can use a drip tip with it or not?

Any suggestions?
 

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I have already thought of this. I am currently vaping 18 and 24mg juice so going to a higher juice may be difficult. I have thought about buying a non flavored 30ml bottle of 36mg just for spot vaping (I can cut it later to 18mg easy enough), but just have not found the right combination to try. I am using a 510 ego (650mah) atty with carts right now. Am not sure if I can use a drip tip with it or not?

Any suggestions?

Turn the voltage up so it hits stronger. Dual coil cartos cranked up real high. Some tobbaco extract mixed Into the juice for a bit of "linger" to the vape. More PG for more throat hit if that's what your missing, or more vg to pump more vapor while dull in TH and flavor. Last but not least: vape just like you smoked! If you spent 15 minutes taking slow drags on a cig, then do the same when you vape. If you always had a cig in your mouth, then always be tootin on your PV.

Its not easy to get a "quick fix" with ecigs, but it can be done. Its easier to vape at a consistent rate so your not trying to battle cravings that hit like a truck.
 

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I have already thought of this. I am currently vaping 18 and 24mg juice so going to a higher juice may be difficult. I have thought about buying a non flavored 30ml bottle of 36mg just for spot vaping (I can cut it later to 18mg easy enough), but just have not found the right combination to try. I am using a 510 ego (650mah) atty with carts right now. Am not sure if I can use a drip tip with it or not?

Any suggestions?

I was a very heavy smoker, and I use 24mg nic (Boba's Bounty) as my all day juice. The guys that make Boba's Bounty don't go above 24mg, so I ordered some 30mg juice from freedomsmokeusa.com, and that's what got me off the cigs.

I use EMDCC's (very large dual coil cartomizers) most of the time, and that's what my 24mg Boba's Bounty goes in. But for the 30mg juice, I bought a basic atomizer and drip tip. My cravings, when I get them, are almost always after eating. So after I eat, I vape my 24mg juice until I feel cravings, then use the atty to drip and vape the 30mg juice. I do that a couple of times, then go back to the 24mg juice, and that seems to work for me.

Stownz, I saw your suggestion about "turn up the voltage", but for those of us using eGo's, we don't have that option. We're not using a variable voltage system.
 

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For some reason that I cannot explain, at about this time every year I get a head cold that moves to my lungs and turns into 1-2 weeks of flat on my .... bronchitis. Last week it started with the head cold and as usual right to my lungs. But this year it ended after a few days of a scratchy cough. I blame vaping for it not turning into bronchitis.
 

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I was a very heavy smoker, and I use 24mg nic (Boba's Bounty) as my all day juice. The guys that make Boba's Bounty don't go above 24mg, so I ordered some 30mg juice from freedomsmokeusa.com, and that's what got me off the cigs.

I use EMDCC's (very large dual coil cartomizers) most of the time, and that's what my 24mg Boba's Bounty goes in. But for the 30mg juice, I bought a basic atomizer and drip tip. My cravings, when I get them, are almost always after eating. So after I eat, I vape my 24mg juice until I feel cravings, then use the atty to drip and vape the 30mg juice. I do that a couple of times, then go back to the 24mg juice, and that seems to work for me.

Sounds like that is what I need to try - well off to the suppliers page!!! What is Boba's Bounty - vendor?

I am using the tobacco blends (24mg) from liberty flights with a little bit of cappuccino or coffee mixed in. Turned out that I really did not like the coffee or the cappuccino straight up, but they enhanced the tobacco flavor in a positive way for me.

I am looking for a better tobacco blend or at least a blend I do like. Seems I do not like the fruity blends or anything that is too sweet. Okay, for a few minutes, but not an all day vape. Been thinking about going totally flavorless or trying DIY for my own flavors...
 

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People who report severe side effects from Chantix are often told that it's just withdrawal from nicotine, or the loss of their "lifelong friend," or something, not the drug. Well, we know that for some people it is the drug. People are so different in the way their bodies react it's rather pointless to speculate about what might be causing someone's symptoms. A process of eliminating possible causes is the only logical way to get a fix on what might be causing a particular side effect. In other words, if you're reacting differently than most people, you may have to experiment on yourself to figure out why.

One thing to think about is the research that shows smokers getting very different amounts of nicotine from the same number of cigarettes, because of differences in the way they smoke. That's the first thing I would look at, if I was noticing an increase in anxiety or a decrease in energy. But again, while pg may be perfectly innocuous in 99% of us, it's unlikely that it has no effect on some subset of users.

Some months after I started vaping when I began to develop dry eye, my immediate reaction was to blame it on the pg, although I know it's an age-related condition. But when I went to buy eye drops the ingredient list read: Propylene glycol, glycerine.

Ah, the old " A happened, then B happened, therefore A must have caused B" fallacy once again.
 
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