If Nicotine is banned...
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Well, thinking about it realistically, just like any other banned substance, if there is a market for it, which there is, then, i've no doubt, nicotine smuggling will become big business. Imagine that !. Crate upon crate of fake liquor bottles filled with nicotine, there'll be absolutely no way to control it, it won't just be individual smugglers on foot taking their chances, i'm talking about serious organized crime. Any liquid products being imported or carried from state to state would be used to smuggle nicotine, everybody will be doing it. They'll probably find a way to turn it into a powder, or a jel or even a solid, just to make it easier to smuggle. And the best way to smuggle nicotine is..................that's right, in big boxes of cigarettes. Sniffer dogs won't know whether they're coming or going.. Besides, who listens to what the government says. They don't own the bloody world !. Who do they think they are anyway !.
It would be the Second Coming of Prohibition and you see how that ended...
If nic is banned my cloud makers will get a lot of use.
They produce a warm smooth TH w/o nic.
They produce a warm smooth TH w/o nic.
I am not concerned about the FDA deeming regulations at all. And a out right ban of nicotine is unlikely. The Goverment just wants there cut (Tax) and regulate the advertisement aswell as keep it from the kiddies.
If that ever happens, then I will extract the nicotine myself either from pipe tobacco or plants that I grow myself. For me, a little will go a long long way because I use an rda mostly and the level of nicotine required is so minuscule at this point. I am actually far more concerned with the legions of smokers that will no longer have a choice.
I'm not worried about it. I have about 2 yrs worth of nic and don't feel I'll have a problem dropping it completely if I need to. But with as much knowledge there is out there about DIY nic, I'd wager there would be plenty of black market suppliers out there for ya'.
I think it will be like what has happened with gun sales. eVErYONE was buying ammo and guns....I think I would probably start to DIY I am thinking about it a try myself so will be on the DIY threads in the near future.
(2000 x 60) = mg of nic. 120,000/10mg/ml = 12000ml, so yes you're cool! Enough at 8ml a day for 1500 days. Which is 4 years.
Then you'll have to either cut down or find some more nic.
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Thank you Supertrunker !! Im either very lazy or just not that smart
Several articles have been released over the last couple of days that point to Big Pharma being behind the ban of e-cigs (NOT nicotine), as it's directly threatening their patented and expensive (and useless) delivery systems, gums and patches. The article I read said that the guy in charge of tobacco products at the FDA consults on the side with Glaxo-Smith_Kline, the big dog in the gum/patch market.
Electronic Cigarettes Have a Rich and Powerful Enemy
This should be grounds for his immediate dismissal, if not illegal and have him facing charges, but I know the reality is, Washington has NO problems with conflicts of interest like this. It's enraging to read things like this.
I seriously doubt there are a significant amount of doctors who want people to smoke, so they profit. I worked with many doctors caring for my mother, as she died of cancer, and they were STAUNCH anti-tobacconists - but pro nicotine cessation fans, including ecigs. There is support among a lot of the various health associations as well. When you work on ground zero with the people dying from these products, it would take a monster to not be effected. I'm not saying doctors are all innocent, they are deep in Big Pharma's pockets, and there are serious issues with some hospitals doing expensive procedures when they're not needed, and overfilling, but I seriously doubt they're even remotely involved with the attacks on ecigarettes.
This, thank you. There is no call for an outright ban on nicotine, or labeling it as a controlled substance. What various forces want is CONTROL over nicotine, because ultimately it means profits.
Big Tobacco does not want nicotine banned, as it would end their industry. Even as popular as ecigs are, they sell hundreds of billions of dollars in tobacco products, and those profits would disappear overnight if the ban went in. To participate in ecigs, they have to retool fast to try and recapture customers, and that's their main concern right now, IMHO - the transition from selling tobacco leaf products to a liquid basis, and that means research, designing facilities, labs, and factories, redoing their entire organization, and coming up with a business plan that would work competing against a runaway market coming from China, small American business, and DIY. It's a BIG undertaking, and I suspect it's a huge issue in the big companies right now - what's our future?
Big Pharma does not want nicotine banned, they just want the corner on the market they had with the gum, patches and lozenges they had before, as "cessation" products. It's BIG money. They had already lost a big chunk, from what I've read, when competition came out (Target for example has their own branded version). They were also prepping new delivery systems, and tried a few that failed (a hard candy like lozenge, I think I recall they stopped them because they were candy, kids would eat them, yada yada yada). They want to continue making money selling nicotine.
The government, at the state level, and the Federal, do not want to ban nicotine. If they wanted to, they could heave easily done it following the Big Tobacco trials. No, it's a revenue stream for them, and one they do not want to give up - the best example is how they went after Indian Reservations for their tobacco sales. In typical government fashion, they demonize smoking and tobacco, while raking in billions of dollars behind their backs, and don't really do much of substance to stop people using tobacco. The ghosts of Prohibition tell them to keep it legal, and just figure out how to profit from it. (as an aside, one of the reasons Prohibition finally passed in Congress, is that the Fed were finally making enough revenue for the then newly instituted income taxes, that they could afford to lose their alcohol taxes, which made up a significant part of the US Federal budget.)
I highly doubt we'll see a ban on nicotine. What's in question is who you will buy it from, and for how much, and where you'll be allowed to use it.
But back to the original question. I do not believe that the average (or even way above average) person at home can extract nicotine. Maybe minute amounts but not enough to matter.
Oddly enough I think I'd be ok if nicotine was banned. Not that I want it to be banned, but after switching from analogs to vape only I have no doubt that I could transition to nic free. I won't be switching to nic free anytime soon, and I do enjoy the effects but if it was banned I'd still vape my delicious nic free juice.
If you look at the DIY threads here, people are doing it, quite easily. Throw some crumbled leaf in a container with PG, let it steep for a couple of weeks, strain. Viola - extracted nicotine. With the right filtration, you could probably get a decent amount from a pound of tobacco.
This is what I'm wondering about .... Can we extract it ourselves if necessary? Anyone have any knowledge about extraction methods?
Yeah but there's no telling what else is steeping out along with the nic...I'm only after the nicotine
Maybe the average Joe could learn to chew baco from the garden while filling lungs w/ dense zero nic clouds.
I told my wife that Vaping is like inhaling caffeine instead of drinking coffee. Nicotine in itself pure form has similar effect as caffeine. Beside my eJuice is much better than the crap that they put in Diet Coke she drinks all day long. Just say'n
I want nicotine is stay legal as much as every on else, however it's not EXACTLY like caffeine.
In small doses nicotine acts like a stimulant.
In large doses nicotine is a depressant.
It's not going anywhere unless someone dies from vaping I have a 6 months supply
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