If nothing else makes you consider quitting vaping, This probably should

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but not sure about self cleaning lungs, that just seems a bit to far fetched to self clean any amounts of vapor.
Lungs do have a self cleaning mechanism. Generally it works fine but things like pollution and smoking reduces their ability to clear themselves and thats where illness sets in.


I vape about 3.6ml VG and DW (DL) and about 2.6ml vg and dw(mtl) and live in a generally low humidity climate. No stubborn film on car windows after 2yrs vaping. Ive cleaned them, I just havnt seen anything abnormal going on other than theyre less dirty and easier to clean than when I smoked
 

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So I've been vaping 4.5 years now. Really still a low watt tootle puffer. I probably vape 6ml or so a day now and that has been as high as maybe 10 ml a day. For about my first 3 years I vaped 50/50, for the past 1.5 years mostly 70/30. Not one cig and yes, all bad physical signs from ciggies have appeared gone for ages now. All my juice has come from very well known suppliers.

I could/should? have taken a couple pics but I think I can describe the situation adequately.

I drive a 5 door Ponitac Vibe. I got it in Jan before I started vaping in April of 2015. So yes, I did smoke in this car for about 2.5 months. Still, I've Vaped in it Daily for at least 20 min a day for 4.5 years now.

Yes, I AM probably a pig but I still haven't felt the need to clean the inside of my car windows until recently. On the drivers inside window I've noticed a clear, flaky film on my window, bad enough that it's started to actually flake off. Interesting. One important note, I had the full inside tinted the month I bought the car so the windows were essentially sterile when I started vaping inside the car.

I've been vaping for 6 1/2 years now and have always vaped in my cars regularly. There have been years that I was using 70% VG juices, though the last couple of years I've been using 100% PG. I'm in Ontario and I can tell you that colder temps mean the windows need to be cleaned more often than in the summer. Also, high VG does film up windows noticeably faster than low VG, same at home.

IMO, the fact that you could still see out of your windows well enough to feel safe driving it after vaping 20 minutes a day in the car for 4.5 years means to me that you are either not getting any noticeable condensation from the vape, or you have a very high tolerance for dirty windows :) . My wife doesn't smoke or vape and even the inside of her windows need a clean every few months or I start noticing it.

I have sometimes left my car windows for a couple of months between cleanings and there was no flaking happening, just an irritating film on them which is really noticeable at night. That film cleaned off easily using Windex. I have tint all around on my new car so I use a tint safe product and microfiber cloths which makes it a bit harder to get the haze off though it still works well. Not sure yet if it's more difficult because of the cleaner or the microfiber, but I think I'll try dish soap now that you've given me that idea. That might be better, unless it turns out the soap leaves a film.

My gut feel is the flaking is not from VG or PG because that stuff makes an oil-like film that just doesn't dry out. Of course, I've not tried leaving it there for that long, so YMMV :)

What I was almost not able to remove from glass was definitely vape residue.
It is logical to assume the same deposits that were on that glass are inside my lungs. BOTH have been exposed to vaping the same amount of time.

Honestly, to me, thus means a Much Higher Chance of some serious respitory issues from long term vaping.

I hear ya, but it's not that simple. Coke is said to remove rust, clean copper and brass, and toilet bowls. I don't worry about it being unhealthy when I have one because I understand why it can do those things but still be safe to drink.

There is a lot of information on ECF and other sites about how our lungs handle inhaled VG and PG. Flavorings are another matter, but I'll leave that for another thread. IMO, if you are worried about anything regarding vaping, wean yourself off it and be done with it. As long as you don't revert back to smoking, this is undoubtedly the safest scenario, and kudos to you for doing that!

Best of luck with it :thumb:
 

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I STILL remember yellow, brown reconstituted tobacco juice dripping down of the walls and ceiling while we cleaned it, yes, one of The Most Disgusting things I've ever personally witnessed.

Most folks called that "Nicotine staining", although it was the Tar from the cigarettes and not the nicotine.

As for your windows.. Your lungs can handle the eliquids as it will almost all be absorbed and processed, were your car windows will just allow it to dry and bake in the sun.
 

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The tint glue made its way thru the tint itself to the surface?? And in different degrees on different windows in the same car?
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What I meant is that excess glue will seep through the edges. If they don't wipe it off completely, they will spread it on the inner surface. coz it's clear, it goes unnoticed until it starts flaking. They clean it up with warm water, detergent and some ammonia (windex).
 

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This whole thing was manufactured. It's a bit too convenient to me that with the amount of people who vape around the world that ONLY the US was hit....OK 1 was sick in Canada...CONVENIENTLY right after JUUL left the VTA, Alteria took over...RJ was federally approved for the IQOS system (OH BTW THIS HAS TONS OF OILS) for 20 million...THEN people start getting sick...COME ON...AND THEN THE ONLY THING EFFECTED IS VAPING PRODUCTS???? Well illegal THC/CBD carts.

And conspicuously -- mere months before the TMPA. This is a win/win/win for big tobacco, the government and big pharma. Big tobacco gets their slaves back, the government gets its money back, and big pharma will happily sop up the mess of wrecked lives by dispensing more bad dope that doesn't work.

No, I am not scared and no, I am not quitting. I have already accepted the less that less harmful is not the same thing as entirely safe, but researchers have given vape a 95% higher safety rating than cigarettes. What is the safety rating of distracted driving? How about a pedestrian crossing the street?

I live in FL and I know how hot it gets in the summer and the interior of your car gets much hotter than that, and that is why, like clockwork, PSAs come out about the dangers of leaving children and pets in cars even for short periods of time. Twenty minutes is all it takes to kill a small child or a dog. You have VG and flavoring in your juice and you just won an award for baking it into the window tinting of your car.
 

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There have been many threads here about vaping films, whether in a car, home, etc, so there is no doubt for SOME, it happens. Not sure why some do and some dont, but I suspect it's the vg and mls vaped and perhaps if you have the windows up or down or run the ac or not. For myself I never get any films either in the house (where both my wife & I vape) or in my vehicle. In both areas the a/c runs 95 percent of the time and in our vehicles the windows are cracked when vaping. Also we vape 60 to 70 vg and combined we only vape 3mls per day, So things definitely vary . so for those not running a/c, windows up, chain vaping 20mls of high vg, you probably will get films. Whether those films are a danger, I really dont know. I suspect it's way less harmless than smoke, but not sure about self cleaning lungs, that just seems a bit to far fetched to self clean any amounts of vapor. I suspect that vaping isnt that bad, but not good for our lungs either
it only happens in the winter time. I vape 70% VG and always have the windows open when I vape. When the weather cools I need to clean my windows probably twice a week otherwise at night time I cannot see out of them. There are no issues in the summer time. It doesn't matter if I have heat blasting or not. A/C or not. It happens in my car no matter what.
 

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The best way I have found to clean the inside of car windows is a small amount of dish detergent in hot water and a mini squeegee. Wipe with a microfiber cloth dipped in the hot water and squeegee it off, then dry with a towel. Put a towel at the bottom of the window to catch drips. Works great. If it's really bad I may have to go over it twice, but once usually takes care of it. I clean all my windows that way. What the heck was I doing with spray and rolls of paper towels all those years? Hope this is helpful!
 

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Heat dries whatever condensate appears. If it's water it just evaporates again, VG thickens as any water evaporates then goes semi-hard. As you are aware heat in cars can become extreme.

I posted ages ago about being careful near computers, desk or laptop. After an iMac I vaped near for several years started overheating I have always avoided vapour getting near anything electronic with a fan.

I opened up the iMac ( I used to install and repair Apples & Macs in pro environments) and found a sticky mess of VG and dust bunnies clogging the vents, fans and heat sinks. In the hottest areas it was dry and much harder to remove, had to strip down further and use warm water and a special foam cleaning spray.
 

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it only happens in the winter time. I vape 70% VG and always have the windows open when I vape. When the weather cools I need to clean my windows probably twice a week otherwise at night time I cannot see out of them. There are no issues in the summer time. It doesn't matter if I have heat blasting or not. A/C or not. It happens in my car no matter what.
That's probably why I dont see it here in FL, basically no winter here. Interesting though why that happens
 

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I went into a house one time where the walls were a disgusting yellow/brown-ish color...(walls were originally white). :eek:

I live in an apartment building where the owners routinely paint the interior walls every 7-8 years...

A number of years ago...(when my GF and I were both smokers)...a crew showed up with cans of WHITE paint...

I told them..."Guys...these yellow/brown walls were White years ago...and look at them now. Don't you have any yellow-tinted...or beige-tinted...(or even tobacco-tinted)...paint to use?"

[They laughed...then went ahead and applied the WHITE paint.] :shock:

..
 

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Over 9 years of vaping, a lot of time spent in front of the computer. Still haven't seen any residuals on the PC screen. When I smoked...totally different story. I don't spend a lot of time in my vehicle, but the windows seem to stay fairly free of any vape related residue. I spend at least 6 hours a day in my work shop/man cave with everything closed up. No residue build up on the fridge, TV, computer screen, or windows.

I am a chain vaper but I only average about 5ml per day. I don't use heavily flavored nic juice. Maybe that's the difference. Just a mild flavored 24mg tobacco flavor 70/30 PG/VG.
 

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So I've been vaping 4.5 years now. Really still a low watt tootle puffer. I probably vape 6ml or so a day now and that has been as high as maybe 10 ml a day. For about my first 3 years I vaped 50/50, for the past 1.5 years mostly 70/30. Not one cig and yes, all bad physical signs from ciggies have appeared gone for ages now. All my juice has come from very well known suppliers.

I could/should? have taken a couple pics but I think I can describe the situation adequately.

I drive a 5 door Ponitac Vibe. I got it in Jan before I started vaping in April of 2015. So yes, I did smoke in this car for about 2.5 months. Still, I've Vaped in it Daily for at least 20 min a day for 4.5 years now.

Yes, I AM probably a pig but I still haven't felt the need to clean the inside of my car windows until recently. On the drivers inside window I've noticed a clear, flaky film on my window, bad enough that it's started to actually flake off. Interesting. One important note, I had the full inside tinted the month I bought the car so the windows were essentially sterile when I started vaping inside the car.

I critiqued things carefully. The film was by far the worst on my window. Next came the window Behind me. Next came the front passenger window with the cleanest being the passengers rear window. This makes perfect sense as the car HVAC is 100% aimed at me. There Really Is Nothing Else the flaky film can be but vape residue. Arguably very similar to what has actually been going into my lungs. Again, medically, I have no known respitory issues.

My tint peeps said clean with just warm water with a few drops of Dawn dish detergent. You'll recall that Dawn is what they use to get crude oil off of birds caught in oil spills, how be it much stronger amounts of Dawn than I'm using. So I got some micro fiber and *important* water As Hot As I Could Stand, Easily 130-140F and a dribble of Dawn in about a 1/2 gal container. This again was the reco from the tint folks to not damage the tint when cleaning it.

Now comes the scary part.

VERY Hot Water, light Dawn and Heavy elbow grease with the micro fiber were Barely Able to remove the vape residue. These were WAY WORSE conditions than I EVER want inside my lungs (to clean). Honestly, it took Three Heavy go arounds to get probably 95% of the residue off. Even Worse was honestly, I don't think the Very Hot water and Dawn were effective At All against the film. (??!!) Most of the film came off from elbow grease After the window was dry from any cleaning juice. Pg and Vg are Supposed to be water soluble and Water Soluble IS what you want near your lungs. My personal experience here Does Not bear out the Totally Water Soluble point, at least not to me anyway.

This is pretty damn scary if you ask me. I enjoy vaping but this will have me switching to 3mg juice Soon in preparation for quitting. As I said, I've already been decreasing my vape amounts before this.

I am not a Dr or a Chemist but I am fairly certain of this.

What I was almost not able to remove from glass was definitely vape residue.
It is logical to assume the same deposits that were on that glass are inside my lungs. BOTH have been exposed to vaping the same amount of time.

Honestly, to me, thus means a Much Higher Chance of some serious respitory issues from long term vaping.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl
Window tinting is a film placed on the inside windows. Its not impossible your “film” was that. It’s not put on all windows though, generally.

VG and PG are hydroscopic solids that turn into liquids if you put enough water in them. What you may be finding is PG/VG that has dehydrated back into its solid form.

put a drop of water on some chips of film and see if it turns back into a gel.

If so, this is not a problem afaik. Lungs are wet all the time. They’re not made of interior glass, and they don’t sit totally dry with a dehydrator pointed at them (air conditioners dehydrate) for years. Also they’ll absorb stuff if it’s water soluble and digestible. When you vape VG it’s sort of like you’re eating it. It even has calories. Not many.
 

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Uhm, no. Pure PG is a liquid down to -59C.
Right you are. Sorry. I go after what I thought was bad assumptions and then go make one myself. Even “100% VG juice has a bit of PG in it usually because of the flavorings so the chances there would be no PG at all sound low to me. How much though?
It would be pretty low water with all that drying though. Makes me wonder how much water is in PG base to start. Could it have evaporated or been removed in some way leaving just the VG? Would VG make a clear film when dried like that? I’ve seen gelatin sheets.

I have been vaping in my Corvette for the last 5 years, and I don't get any residue on the inside of the windows.

BTW, I make my own juice (tobacco / cigar flavor):

55% VG / 45% PG - 15mg Nic

I am a 'tootle puffer' ... MTL vape 4.5ml per day.

So different car, lower volume of possibly (but unknown) higher PG juice. It a convertible? You open the windows a lot? How often do you run your air con?
 
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