If nothing else makes you consider quitting vaping, This probably should

[joeright]

I noticed similar residue that didn't clean off easy on my car interior windows. I also never clean windows until they're super bad (years). As others stated, I believe it's just vape residue. Once I started cracking a window instead of l leaving closed, it's not as bad. Lungs self clean. Windows don't. I'm not worried about it.


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[l3oertjie]

The following from a BMW service recall some years ago. This issue affected many different vehicles brands - not only BMW. I had it in my car and it certainly affects the windows most where the blower is pointed. Aluminium oxide...

SI B 64 12 07
Heating and Air Conditioning June 2008
Technical Service

This Service Information bulletin supersedes SI B64 12 07 dated November 2007.

designates changes to this revision

SUBJECT
White Flakes/Powder Coming from the Air Conditioning Vents


MODEL
E90, E91, E92, E93 (3 Series)

Vehicles produced from May 31, 2006 to September 9, 2007


SITUATION
The customer states that at times white flakes or powder comes from the air conditioning vents.

CAUSE
The cause is surface oxidation of the evaporator in the heating and air conditioning unit. This only concerns evaporators manufactured by Denso (identified by the label on the front of the air conditioning housing behind the radio).

PROCEDURE
The contents of this Service Information bulletin have been migrated into DIS V53 or later. Please refer to SI B64 04 07 for information on how to access "Symptom Troubleshooting" for heating and air conditioning complaints.

WARRANTY INFORMATION
For information only

[ Copyright © 2008 BMW of North America, LLC ]

 

[Armor1]

So I've been vaping 4.5 years now. Really still a low watt tootle puffer. I probably vape 6ml or so a day now and that has been as high as maybe 10 ml a day. For about my first 3 years I vaped 50/50, for the past 1.5 years mostly 70/30. Not one cig and yes, all bad physical signs from ciggies have appeared gone for ages now. All my juice has come from very well known suppliers.

I could/should? have taken a couple pics but I think I can describe the situation adequately.

I drive a 5 door Ponitac Vibe. I got it in Jan before I started vaping in April of 2015. So yes, I did smoke in this car for about 2.5 months. Still, I've Vaped in it Daily for at least 20 min a day for 4.5 years now.

Yes, I AM probably a pig but I still haven't felt the need to clean the inside of my car windows until recently. On the drivers inside window I've noticed a clear, flaky film on my window, bad enough that it's started to actually flake off. Interesting. One important note, I had the full inside tinted the month I bought the car so the windows were essentially sterile when I started vaping inside the car.

I critiqued things carefully. The film was by far the worst on my window. Next came the window Behind me. Next came the front passenger window with the cleanest being the passengers rear window. This makes perfect sense as the car HVAC is 100% aimed at me. There Really Is Nothing Else the flaky film can be but vape residue. Arguably very similar to what has actually been going into my lungs. Again, medically, I have no known respitory issues.

My tint peeps said clean with just warm water with a few drops of Dawn dish detergent. You'll recall that Dawn is what they use to get crude oil off of birds caught in oil spills, how be it much stronger amounts of Dawn than I'm using. So I got some micro fiber and *important* water As Hot As I Could Stand, Easily 130-140F and a dribble of Dawn in about a 1/2 gal container. This again was the reco from the tint folks to not damage the tint when cleaning it.

Now comes the scary part.

VERY Hot Water, light Dawn and Heavy elbow grease with the micro fiber were Barely Able to remove the vape residue. These were WAY WORSE conditions than I EVER want inside my lungs (to clean). Honestly, it took Three Heavy go arounds to get probably 95% of the residue off. Even Worse was honestly, I don't think the Very Hot water and Dawn were effective At All against the film. (??!!) Most of the film came off from elbow grease After the window was dry from any cleaning juice. Pg and Vg are Supposed to be water soluble and Water Soluble IS what you want near your lungs. My personal experience here Does Not bear out the Totally Water Soluble point, at least not to me anyway.

This is pretty damn scary if you ask me. I enjoy vaping but this will have me switching to 3mg juice Soon in preparation for quitting. As I said, I've already been decreasing my vape amounts before this.

I am not a Dr or a Chemist but I am fairly certain of this.

What I was almost not able to remove from glass was definitely vape residue.
It is logical to assume the same deposits that were on that glass are inside my lungs. BOTH have been exposed to vaping the same amount of time.

Honestly, to me, thus means a Much Higher Chance of some serious respitory issues from long term vaping.

Bruce in Ocala, Fl

I get a film on the inside of my windows. It cleans right off with a damp microfiber.

 

[Zaryk]

There have been many threads here about vaping films, whether in a car, home, etc, so there is no doubt for SOME, it happens. Not sure why some do and some dont, but I suspect it's the vg and mls vaped and perhaps if you have the windows up or down or run the ac or not. For myself I never get any films either in the house (where both my wife & I vape) or in my vehicle. In both areas the a/c runs 95 percent of the time and in our vehicles the windows are cracked when vaping. Also we vape 60 to 70 vg and combined we only vape 3mls per day, So things definitely vary . so for those not running a/c, windows up, chain vaping 20mls of high vg, you probably will get films. Whether those films are a danger, I really dont know. I suspect it's way less harmless than smoke, but not sure about self cleaning lungs, that just seems a bit to far fetched to self clean any amounts of vapor. I suspect that vaping isnt that bad, but not good for our lungs either

I vape ~15-20mls a day, and my wife does about 10-15mls a day. I vape with my window open, always. She will vape with windows closed on her breaks at work but cracked when driving. Neither of our vehicles get a film on the windshield.

 

[Bliss Doubt]

Those tinting jobs are controversial. The cheap ones flake off.

Or quit vaping if it suits your purposes. Whatever.

 

[OcalaFlGuy]

Those tinting jobs are controversial. The cheap ones flake off.

Or quit vaping if it suits your purposes. Whatever.

Lol. Strangely, we have a family tint place. A ma n pa place in Melbourne, Fl. I know they've done 6 of our cars. Quality tint by people who know what they're doing. Worth every penny of their reasonable price.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

 

[bombastinator]

Lol. Strangely, we have a family tint place. A ma n pa place in Melbourne, Fl. I know they've done 6 of our cars. Quality tint by people who know what they're doing. Worth every penny of their reasonable price.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

There’s a point. Window tinting laws vary by area and they’re more permissive in places that are hotter. Like Florida. Implies heavy use of air con and a closed vehicle.

 

[Nermal]

Lol. Strangely, we have a family tint place. A ma n pa place in Melbourne, Fl. I know they've done 6 of our cars. Quality tint by people who know what they're doing. Worth every penny of their reasonable price.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

Now, I can agree. I don't think I have seen untinted auto glass in NM in the past year

 

[zoiDman]

I wonder if Heavily Flavored and Heavily Sweetened e-Liquids film-up windows Faster than Unflavored?

Because I use Unflavored just about All of the time. And I don't get much Buildup on my Windows.

Or on the LED Monitor I sit in front of 6 Hours a Day, Monday ~ Friday.

 

[chohan]

As someone who religiously washes and details their vehicles every week or two, the idea of four years worth of grime on interior windows leaves me utterly speechless and a bit nauseous.
But that's just me.

 

[Tabac man]

As someone who religiously washes and details their vehicles every week or two, the idea of four years worth of grime on interior windows leaves me utterly speechless and a bit nauseous.
But that's just me.

So you wouldn't want to lick it off then...mmmmmm that lovely flaky custard crispy coating nom nom nom....

 

[Myrany]

There’s a point. Window tinting laws vary by area and they’re more permissive in places that are hotter. Like Florida. Implies heavy use of air con and a closed vehicle.

Actually if his Pontiac Vibe is naything like mine was the odds the AC actually works on any given day are slim.

 

[Bruce C]

The Vibe is very cab forward. The windshield at its base is probably 18 in from the dash. I maybe have the windshield defroster on 5 -6 times A Year otherwise the AC is on blowing everything Away from the windshield.
Bruce in Ocala, Fl

This sounds to me like you may have something blowing in from your AC, because if it's blowing "everything" away from your windshield that includes your vape fumes. Since that AC is focused on you that would explain the accumulation pattern better than vape residue.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Who says lung self clean? What a bullmanure! Nothing like this, ask smokers. For sure vape residue sits in lungs, I just hope not too much.

 

[bombastinator]

Who says lung self clean? What a bullmanure! Nothing like this, ask smokers. For sure vape residue sits in lungs, I just hope not too much.

Lungs can self clean some things but not others. Ecigs when correctly formulated are supposed to contain only things that can be self cleaned. Incorrectly formulated they’re perhaps just as big a problem as cigarettes. There was a set of regulations from the FDA called “the deeming” here which made sure of this. One of the weirdnesses of the CDC statements is they seem to be pretending the deeming rules never existed.

Cigarettes contain things that will not self clean as well as other things that cause other problems. It is likely that even an incorrectly formulated e-cigarette in most instances is still less harmful than a cigarette. It depends what is in the liquid though. One of the rules of the deeming is no lipids (oils) may be used. These are particularly dangerous.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Dear bombastinator, I'd be delighted to share your optimistic point of view. Unfortunately things look different for me. I vape pure stuff, just three components - VG, PG, nicotine. Just 10W. And still my coils get gunked. It tells me some pyrolysis do occur; I have no idea whether/how it is harmful, but I will not tell others it is harmless.

 

[Zaryk]

Dear bombastinator, I'd be delighted to share your optimistic point of view. Unfortunately things look different for me. I vape pure stuff, just three components - VG, PG, nicotine. Just 10W. And still my coils get gunked. It tells me some pyrolysis do occur; I have no idea whether/how it is harmful, but I will not tell others it is harmless.

That is kind of a bad representation. Your coils get gunked from the act of boiling ejuice. I don't see that gunk forming on my top caps or drip tips. And unless your lungs are boiling ejuice, I doubt that gunk forms inside of them either.

Now, to be clear, I do not think vaping is harmless. It has some risks I'm sure. But I also don't think the lungs are forming the gunk you find on used coils either.

 

[bombastinator]

Dear bombastinator, I'd be delighted to share your optimistic point of view. Unfortunately things look different for me. I vape pure stuff, just three components - VG, PG, nicotine. Just 10W. And still my coils get gunked. It tells me some pyrolysis do occur; I have no idea whether/how it is harmful, but I will not tell others it is harmless.

I didn’t say it was harmless. Nothing is harmless. Life itself will kill you. Strawberries cause cancer oxygen is an oxidant, and cellphone radiation causes cancer. You’re playing around with the unusual characteristics of the number zero. There is no such thing as zero in life. Even in the far depths of space it’s not a perfect vacuum because there’s still the odd hydrogen atom flying around. We can get really close to zero in a lot of things. Usefully close. We can’t actually get there though. This is the whole point behind digital measurement and the concept of tolerances that gave us interchangeable parts.

Even with TC the boiling point of base liquids is high enough to burn other things. It’s about relative amount of harm. I believe your statement about danger is overblown and I believe your statement about my statement is equally overblown.

 

[evan le'garde]

Stanley Window Scraper

 

[fiddleshe]

This whole thread is ridiculous and overblown.