If vaping is so bad why did the FDA allow e-cig commercials on T.V.?

[zoiDman]

As usual, follow the money and the scheme begins to unravel.

It's just Funny to see the Extent in which "Hearts and Minds" are Manipulated in this Country. It's like something out of a John le Carre novel. Especially when that something falls under the Guise of Public Health. Or Saving the Children.

Mary you're nearly a treat
But you're really a cry

 

[DaveP]

It's just Funny to see the Extent in which "Hearts and Minds" are Manipulated in this Country. It's like something out of a John le Carre novel. Especially when that something falls under the Guise of Public Health. Or Saving the Children.

Mary you're nearly a treat
But you're really a cry

If you examine the bills coming out of the House these days (and always), there's much more pork than there are clauses that support the original intent of the bill. Most start off with a respectable intent, but by the time the tack-on items are added many aren't even worth passing. You have to give too much to get a little.

As we've discussed before, we have a deadly killer in tobacco that's entirely legal and then we have an alternative (vaping) that would significantly enhance the health of the masses, but doesn't fill the tax coffers. As they say, "It's all about the money".

You'd think that a reasonable sin tax on Nicotine would satisfy Government and vapers alike and allow both nicotine delivery systems to exist as alternate routes to nicotine use. We all know that vaping could overtake smoking and enhance the health of the nation (and there's the reason we rate second to tobacco). In less than a generation vaping would see the end of tobacco smoking and survive as a much safer alternative.

 

[zoiDman]

If you examine the bills coming out of the House these days (and always), there's much more pork than there are clauses that support the original intent bill. Most start off with a respectable intent, but by the time the tack-on items are added many aren't even worth passing. You have to give too much to get a little.

Those House Bills aren't meant as Viable Legislation to be passed. They are just Messaging Bills to be used in the Media Zero Sum Game of Blame the other Side when they Don't Pass.

It wasn't Always like this. There was a Time when Many in DC saw getting Half a Pie was Better than No Pie at all. But those days have yet to return.

All this is Probably best suited for the OUTSIDE. So I'll leave it at that.

 

[CMD-Ky]

I agree, put a pretty title on a bill and the foolish will love it without regard to what is in it.

If you examine the bills coming out of the House these days (and always), there's much more pork than there are clauses that support the original intent of the bill. Most start off with a respectable intent, but by the time the tack-on items are added many aren't even worth passing. You have to give too much to get a little.

As we've discussed before, we have a deadly killer in tobacco that's entirely legal and then we have an alternative (vaping) that would significantly enhance the health of the masses, but doesn't fill the tax coffers. As they say, "It's all about the money".

You'd think that a reasonable sin tax on Nicotine would satisfy Government and vapers alike and allow both nicotine delivery systems to exist as alternate routes to nicotine use. We all know that vaping could overtake smoking and enhance the health of the nation (and there's the reason we rate second to tobacco). In less than a generation vaping would see the end of tobacco smoking and survive as a much safer alternative.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Those House Bills aren't meant as Viable Legislation to be passed. They are just Messaging Bills to be used in the Media Zero Sum Game of Blame the other Side when they Don't Pass.

It wasn't Always like this. There was a Time when Many in DC saw getting Half a Pie was Better than No Pie at all. But those days have yet to return.

All this is Probably best suited for the OUTSIDE. So I'll leave it at that.

Some of us are not permitted in the "Outside". We seem to be unapproved posters, odd but true. @classwife @retired1

 

[CMD-Ky]

Those House Bills aren't meant as Viable Legislation to be passed. They are just Messaging Bills to be used in the Media Zero Sum Game of Blame the other Side when they Don't Pass.

It wasn't Always like this. There was a Time when Many in DC saw getting Half a Pie was Better than No Pie at all. But those days have yet to return.

All this is Probably best suited for the OUTSIDE. So I'll leave it at that.

Why, then, if these are not meant to 'viable legislation to be passed', do these bills get passed? Have you seen what is in the latest "Covid-1984 Relief Bills"?

 

[zoiDman]

Some of us are not permitted in the "Outside". We seem to be unapproved posters, odd but true. @classwife @retired1

That's OK.

I have No Intention or Desire to continue this line of thought in the OUTSIDE.

So you Ain't Miss'n Nuthin.

 

[zoiDman]

... Have you seen what is in the latest "Covid-1984 Relief Bills"?

I think You answered your own Question about how Many Things are Enacted these day.

They are Tacked onto something that Will Pass.

 

[UncleJunkle]

And, as we have seen relatively recently, if it won't pass, you just use "other tactics".
The 2% Tribe always gets what it wants.

 

[YoursTruli]

The only ecigarette commercials I see on TV now are from ambulance chasers and organized ANTZ groups who IMHO have done more to promote vaping than any ecigarette commercial ever did. They make it looks so exciting those ANTZ! with dragons and flying metal and Marvel Comics rendition of (Unnamed) Madness “The Mind Control Menace” nicotine brain eating worms. Sweet!

 

[zoiDman]

... and Marvel Comics rendition of (Unnamed) Madness “The Mind Control Menace” nicotine brain eating worms. Sweet!

 

[MLEJ]

The only ecigarette commercials I see on TV now are from ambulance chasers and organized ANTZ groups who IMHO have done more to promote vaping than any ecigarette commercial ever did. They make it looks so exciting those ANTZ! with dragons and flying metal and Marvel Comics rendition of (Unnamed) Madness “The Mind Control Menace” nicotine brain eating worms. Sweet!

There's at least 1 documentary (available on YouTube -- sry, can't remember the title) about cigs & e-cigs contending that most anti-smoking ads are produced by tobacco companies & their actual intent is to promote smoking to "young people." The 1st contention is true but the doc fails to mention that the tobacco companies are required by gov't to produce those anti-smoking ads. The 2nd is nothing but speculation. Of course, it draws a parallel w/ e-cigarettes which, as everyone knows , are merely Big Tobacco's tactic for hooking children on nic & turning them into smokers.

 

[MacTechVpr]

…You'd think that a reasonable sin tax on Nicotine would satisfy Government and vapers alike and allow both nicotine delivery systems to exist as alternate routes to nicotine use.…

You'd think, right? But it's not about the tax. It's about the power to tax, and discriminately. There is where the real control of money flows (seen or unseen) and incumbency resides. Most would call this corruption but to the centralist statesman, bureaucrat and monopolist it's just good business. Plenty to go around. Ours, not theirs.

Good luck.

 

[englishmick]

There's a fun "public service" type commercial on the TV now. A bunch of parents with halos of smoke around their heads talking about how their precious kids would never vape. Nothing to worry about, right. Then they inform us that today another 8000 American kids will start vaping.

In my day all we did was smoke and drink beer. If only kids today would be sensible like us.

 

[borno]