Evidently you are not remembering what you posted earlier. You reply to a statement I never made and run on about an issue that is not consistent with your own post. You seem to be opposing yourself. I'll leave you to it.
I'm a Christain, but I admit to crazy things in my book.
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Evidently you are not remembering what you posted earlier. You reply to a statement I never made and run on about an issue that is not consistent with your own post. You seem to be opposing yourself. I'll leave you to it.
DaMalta, God loves you so much, more then you can even imagine. Why are you so angry with Him? Why are you rejecting Him?
These are questions that you need to ask yourself and answer to yourself and God. You seem to have some real deep inner struggles with your own faith. This is a serious matter, you need to seriously pray about this. Take it to Him in prayer, with a humble heart.
These are questions that you need to ask yourself and answer to yourself and God. You seem to have some real deep inner struggles with your own faith. This is a serious matter, you need to seriously pray about this. Take it to Him in prayer, with a humble heart.
I want to say something else that might strike some as controversial, but I feel a need to say it anyway.
There are plenty of people that attend church every sunday, and believe that they are christians, but they are not. Being a christian is a relationship with God. If you don't have that relationship and deep love for Him, then there is something wrong here.
Your salvation is the most important thing in your life. Not your job, not your house, not even your own family. Those things are secondary.
If you're missing that relationship with Him, you need to take this seriously, and you have no time to waste in doing this. Think of it like an emergency, because it is, it's a spiritual emergency.
We can help only to a point because we are not God. You must search out your own heart, time for some serously honest personal evaluation to see what is really going on within yourself, and take this to God in prayer. Not once, not twice, but constantly.
There are plenty of people that attend church every sunday, and believe that they are christians, but they are not. Being a christian is a relationship with God. If you don't have that relationship and deep love for Him, then there is something wrong here.
Your salvation is the most important thing in your life. Not your job, not your house, not even your own family. Those things are secondary.
If you're missing that relationship with Him, you need to take this seriously, and you have no time to waste in doing this. Think of it like an emergency, because it is, it's a spiritual emergency.
We can help only to a point because we are not God. You must search out your own heart, time for some serously honest personal evaluation to see what is really going on within yourself, and take this to God in prayer. Not once, not twice, but constantly.
Much/most of your post was super excellent but be careful as this is pure Calvinist doctrine. Remember that Jesus was "tempted in all things" and was found guiltless of sin. If He were not capable of sin then we have really no common ground with Him. If He were not capable of sin, He would have no or little understanding of the trials and temptations that we all face daily. He does understand us and our sin trials because He became one of "us". The point is that He was capable and tested but did not.
Now you are preaching my sermon. When this gets brought up some people see it as elitism. I see it as the sad truth.
I went to church for many years befire I was saved, and if you asked me before I would have told you, "Of course I'm saved". I didn't know until I was that I hadn't been.
Here is the great news about it; The unsaved in the church represent the greatest potential for harvest. They are being drawn. They have heard the Word and on some level accept it. Seeds are planted in them every time they come and hear God's Word. At the right time, God will call some of them.
Not that there aren't any outside of church that will one day become saved. But the unsaved in the church are at least open to listen and eventually hear.
That's absolutely the truth!!!!!!
I also want to add that being a christian does not mean that you're perfect, that you don't sin or do some sinful things sometimes. It doesn't mean that you're sickening sweet and always nice, or any of those outwardly visible things.It's all about your love and appreciation for Jesus, our Lord and Savior. Nothing else really matters
AMEN sister! Blonde is on FIRE! I can feel it!
lol... Amen Lisa, I'm on fire with the RIGHTEOUS indignation of He who LIVES in me!; (Let the REDEEMED of the LORD say so)
Isaiah 45:23 By myself I have sworn, my mouth has uttered in all integrity a word that will not be revoked: Before me every knee will bow; by me every tongue will swear.
Isaiah 46:10 I make known the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please.
Jeremiah 23:20 The anger of the LORD will not turn back until he fully accomplishes the purposes of his heart. In days to come you will understand it clearly.
Ezekiel 24:14 "'I the LORD have spoken. The time has come for me to act. I will not hold back; I will not have pity, nor will I relent. You will be judged according to your conduct and your actions, declares the Sovereign LORD.'"
Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever."
PS - Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered: let them also that hate him flee before him. - Psalm 68:1
Psalm 12:5 "Because of the oppression of the weak and the groaning of the needy, I will now arise," says the LORD. "I will protect them (that's us!) from those who malign them."
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"anything 'bad' in the Book", you stated? There is NOTHING God has done or ever will do that was bad. His 'followers' have jacked up His image somewhat, I'll give you that... (I was one of them and continue to be, but day by day I grow in His truth, Love and grace as I seek him daily).. but nothing GOD ever did in the Old Testament is BAD when you realize the Character of the merciful, HOLY, Righteous, Sovereign AND perfect YAHWEH GOD who inspired and or did it. WHY is it so important to understand or question the one who created you? You're going to spend ETERNITY DaMulta with a GOD who sent His SON to save you and ALL who call upon the Name of JESUS!... You should be DANCING and singing HIS praises all the day long! Your JOY should be so FULL that your LIGHT blinds everyone it touches! Stop questioning GOD, just be GLAD that HE is what HE is and did what HE did to SAVE the WORLD when it was lost in it's sin. Who knows? Maybe when this is all over and you meet all those People you feel GOD judged or destroyed unjustly walking on those same streets of GLORY singing His praises along with the rest He's redeemed and they'll reveal they 'VOLUNTEERED' for the slaughter. Who knows? Maybe. Who cares? (Strike that BAD point I failed to make!)... Nevertheless, Don't look to US but to CHRIST! Revel in the Salvation that is yours and deliverance a perfect CREATOR GOD has provided for you. He 'sings' to you DaMulta when you praise Him. Praise Him and listen to His love Song to YOU. Hallelujah to the LAMB of GOD!!!!!!
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So if God spoke to me, and told me that I shall go to the state prison to free them. I give them 3 warnings, and one being that all their babies and kids shall die.
Then lead them to my new Promise land God told me about(Mexico)! I should then kill everyone there in the name of God, because he promised me that land.
The way you make it should Blond. God only wanted to have ice cream with all the kids of the world. Instead he sends bears to eat kids that make fun of someone.....
I've always kind of wondered...If God loves everyone...then why kill the wicked, and send them to a life that never ends in hell?
I know the Earth is ran by the Devil, but God seems to have a hand in some wicked things too.
Maybe God didn't do those Evil things like it says in the Bible....Maybe it's kind of like a modern Blame Obama kind of thing.
Then lead them to my new Promise land God told me about(Mexico)! I should then kill everyone there in the name of God, because he promised me that land.
The way you make it should Blond. God only wanted to have ice cream with all the kids of the world. Instead he sends bears to eat kids that make fun of someone.....
I've always kind of wondered...If God loves everyone...then why kill the wicked, and send them to a life that never ends in hell?
I know the Earth is ran by the Devil, but God seems to have a hand in some wicked things too.
Maybe God didn't do those Evil things like it says in the Bible....Maybe it's kind of like a modern Blame Obama kind of thing.
I don't think he is Angry with God. I think he is like most people including myself that need to know how these stories tie into eachother. By asking these questions he is clearly (at least to me ) trying to reinforce his faith.
I just went through this with a question about Genesis. If you read Genesis it appears that that there are two creations of man. But Southern gents explanition of this made it clear to me and his kind answer has increased my faith.
Our mission as Christians is to spread the word and help other people believe. We should do this without mocking, belittling or with anger. Think of when you didn't believe! You thout that a lot of stuff in the bible was just mumbo jumbo. This person might be in the same position trying to get to God.
DeMultra, have you ever read the whole bible, and studied it in depth? I think this would be a good suggestion if you are really interested in learning about it.
Possibly, and that's why I"m still here trying to encourage him to pray and study God's word.
It's been many years, but I have read it front to back a few times. Let me just some of the things in it are just WTF!
I was raised in the Church....Weds, Sunday(morning evening)Choir, Sports, and so on......Most of the crazy stuff is NEVER talked about. Which gets me cause if you go to Church to learn about your faith why do people skip that stuff?
I mean it's not wrong to beat your slave, but if you beat your slave which leads to his death that day it's wrong. Yet, if your slave dies the next day it's OK cause he is your property......
Things like that......
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I don't ascribe to Calvinism though I do think it is much closer to the truth than Armenianism is. To be tempted is to be tested, one Greek word, two English words used depending on the translation. James describes how temptation results in sin entangling us.
James 1:13-15
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. NASU
The Greek wording in this passage paints a picture of a hunter luring it's prey rather than stalking it, or as a fisherman baits a hook and tries to lure a fish from the safety of it's hiding rather than finding it and spearing it. In the case of the fishing example, it is not the worm on the end of the hook that causes the fish to be caught, it is the fish's hunger that causes him to answer the temptation of the worm.
It is not the pretty girl that causes me to sin no matter how she is dressed or not dressed, it is the wicked and lustful desire in me that answers the temptation that causes me to sin. The flip side to this lining up with what I'm painting about Jesus is; I am heterosexual and do not find the male body attractive "in that way" on any level what-so-ever. Because there is no desire in me to have sex with a man, I can be tempted, tested, baited, drawn by a homosexual but because I do not desire worms, I won't bite that hook.
That is much different than secretly desiring to be with a man but fighting off the urge and saying no. Because in that case though I didn't sin in the flesh, I had already committed sin in my heart. Jesus was tempted but He didn't sin. Jesus didn't win because he successfully fought the urge to commit homosexuality, or fornication, or murder, or robbery. Jesus was fully man but at the same time fully God. Jesus didn't sin when tempted because there was no wickedness inside Him that could cause Him to be successfully drawn to sin.
It is not the sack of unprotected money that causes me to steel, it is my greed and lack of contentedness that causes me to sin.
Jesus taught that if you merely looked upon a woman and lusted in your heart (even if you never "answered" lusts call outwardly) then you were already sinning.
The reason Jesus did not answer (the fishing example) is because He wasn't hungry for worms.
When tempted (tested) by the flesh of woman (the bait) there was no lust in His heart that caused him to answer the temptation inwardly or outwardly so as to be lead to sin. He was tempted yet without sin. Think on this carefully.
There is not enough money or property to successfully temp Him because He is not greedy, and He owns everything. He was tempted, yet without sin.
When Satan said, "bow down to me and I will give you all of these things" (and all of the other temptations), Jesus was tested or tempted, but did not pursue the bait because the sin nature was not inside of Him so as to be able to be drawn to commit sin. He didn't "wrestle" with the idea and choose to ignore the "pulling in His heart to worship Satan". There was no wickedness in Him that would allow it.
I give you this by way of condensing much study and information that would be impossible to type here. But I will bring my point home by saying this:
Your conclusion leaves Jesus sinning in His heart on every count that He was tested on.
We live in a fallen world.
We have a tempter (Satan) trying us at every angle
We live under a fallen (sin) nature that causes us to want everything that God deems as sin, whether we actually pursue it or not.
The sin nature is what was missing in Jesus. All three will be missing in us when the whole story is done.
Does all of that mean that He couldn't relate to us or have compassion for or common ground with us? Not at all.
He was 100% physical man with the 100% nature of God, not man's fallen nature.
We are starting a bible study here and you are very welcome to join us.
Maybe we can all learn and figure out together. How does that sound?That invitation is open to everyone, we are going to meet up here in the Bible Study Thread on fridays and tuesdays. Our first assignment is Matthew chapters 1 & 2.
Lisa,
Please do not think I was referring to you about chastizing him. I just noticed a few others that did.
I think he is very much like me and needs answers to things. I don't blindly just follow the bible. Especially because I like to talk about it and I want to be armed when someone asks a question about it.
Like someone said in this post that God never did anything bad. But I remember that God made a promise to Noah saying that he would never destroy the earth again. By reading that you can come to the conclusion that God might have made a mistake.
Please do not think I was referring to you about chastizing him. I just noticed a few others that did.
I think he is very much like me and needs answers to things. I don't blindly just follow the bible. Especially because I like to talk about it and I want to be armed when someone asks a question about it.
Like someone said in this post that God never did anything bad. But I remember that God made a promise to Noah saying that he would never destroy the earth again. By reading that you can come to the conclusion that God might have made a mistake.
Rightly said Bigham1... rightly said. I'm sorry to announce however, that some of us believers came to the knowledge of Christ and exposure to the Bible at such young & tender agesn it seems we have ALWAYS believed and never grappled with some of the 'harder' scriptures that some believers apparently do. We're not perfected Creatures in Christ, just lovers of Him. We're admonished to use His word to instruct and reprove, but to do so in LOVE. Being imperfect in this Earthly flesh we fall very short of the mark more times than we care to admit. I wish I could say I once thought a lot of the stuff in the Bible was mumbo jumbo, but I honestly can't.. so forgive me if I can't 'relate' fully to those who do.
No, it's ok Bigham, it's all good. I didn't come to the conclusion that God made a mistake. I came to the conclusion that man made a big mistake and it caused God to feel hurt and pain as a result.
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