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<blockquote data-quote="bombastinator" data-source="post: 23634902" data-attributes="member: 43994">I found freebase nic to have much less kick than salts.&nbsp; It was the whole point.&nbsp; If you look at the blood level graphs salts are much shorter acting.&nbsp; They have this spike in the graph that is very sharp.&nbsp; This is a reason salts were NOT used at all originally.&nbsp; Salts are commonplace in nicotine gum which was out before e-cigs.&nbsp; So it was known, cheaper, and more available.&nbsp; But until JUUL came out they weren’t used.&nbsp; The thing about freebase is it doesn’t have spikes in the graph making it less addictive.&nbsp; For somone trying to quit freebase is better than salts.&nbsp; It’s easier to get off them.The process of quitting is quite slow with e-cigs.&nbsp; You lower your nicotine concentration bit by bit.&nbsp; This is easy at first because you can just buy a lower concentration but the concentrations generally go 24, 18, 12, 9, 6, 3, 0.&nbsp; Notice how the concentration reductions are fractional until 6 where it’s halved, and after 3 there is nothing?&nbsp; This is usually the point where people fail.&nbsp; It should go 24, 18, 12, 9, 6, 4, 3, 2.5, 2, 1.8, 1.3, 1, 0.8, 0.5, 0.3, 0.This is still possible to do though if you get a bottle of 0 and a bottle of whatever, and then mix them to lower the concentration.&nbsp; Since they all cost the same to buy (but not to make) 24 &amp; 0 can often be the best value because you can just mix a lower and lower level of 24mg with the zero.&nbsp; It is often claimed that the flavoring is the most expensive bit.&nbsp; This is not true. SOME flavorings are wildly expensive, but they’re generally not used in retail pre-mix ecig juice.&nbsp; Less flavoring is also used quite often than nicotine (at the higher concentrations) and nicotine is sometimes 5 times the price of the majority of wholesale flavorings (which is how industrial juice producers buy them)&nbsp; wholesale flavorings are often a tiny fraction of the price of the tiny vials of retail flavorings while being much larger.&nbsp; I bought several flavorings wholesale from flavorwest long ago in 6oz bottles (the smallest they sell) for something like $7 apiece.&nbsp; VG and PG are both really cheap (I get my VG at fleet farm in gallon jugs because it’s also used as a cattle laxative) and these make up the vast majority of juice by weight anyway.&nbsp; Salts have a much longer shelf life though so they are often all you can find in pre-mix juice.&nbsp; It is possible to quit with them though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bombastinator, post: 23634902, member: 43994"] I found freebase nic to have much less kick than salts. It was the whole point. If you look at the blood level graphs salts are much shorter acting. They have this spike in the graph that is very sharp. This is a reason salts were NOT used at all originally. Salts are commonplace in nicotine gum which was out before e-cigs. So it was known, cheaper, and more available. But until JUUL came out they weren’t used. The thing about freebase is it doesn’t have spikes in the graph making it less addictive. For somone trying to quit freebase is better than salts. It’s easier to get off them. The process of quitting is quite slow with e-cigs. You lower your nicotine concentration bit by bit. This is easy at first because you can just buy a lower concentration but the concentrations generally go 24, 18, 12, 9, 6, 3, 0. Notice how the concentration reductions are fractional until 6 where it’s halved, and after 3 there is nothing? This is usually the point where people fail. It should go 24, 18, 12, 9, 6, 4, 3, 2.5, 2, 1.8, 1.3, 1, 0.8, 0.5, 0.3, 0. This is still possible to do though if you get a bottle of 0 and a bottle of whatever, and then mix them to lower the concentration. Since they all cost the same to buy (but not to make) 24 & 0 can often be the best value because you can just mix a lower and lower level of 24mg with the zero. It is often claimed that the flavoring is the most expensive bit. This is not true. SOME flavorings are wildly expensive, but they’re generally not used in retail pre-mix ecig juice. Less flavoring is also used quite often than nicotine (at the higher concentrations) and nicotine is sometimes 5 times the price of the majority of wholesale flavorings (which is how industrial juice producers buy them) wholesale flavorings are often a tiny fraction of the price of the tiny vials of retail flavorings while being much larger. I bought several flavorings wholesale from flavorwest long ago in 6oz bottles (the smallest they sell) for something like $7 apiece. VG and PG are both really cheap (I get my VG at fleet farm in gallon jugs because it’s also used as a cattle laxative) and these make up the vast majority of juice by weight anyway. Salts have a much longer shelf life though so they are often all you can find in pre-mix juice. It is possible to quit with them though. [/QUOTE]

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