I agree with you for the most part. It can be difficult for a new person and it is inevitable that we will see the same question every day. They only thing that annoys me is when it is obvious they didn't read any of the stickies or put forward any effort to research it.
I'm not trying to be difficult but...
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I agree with you for the most part. It can be difficult for a new person and it is inevitable that we will see the same question every day. They only thing that annoys me is when it is obvious they didn't read any of the stickies or put forward any effort to research it.
As someone who usually confirms/suggests/recommends PV's for newbies that I do not use, I thought I had no dog in this fight. Frankly I don't really give two flying hamsters what hardware someone starts with as long as they give it a try to at the least find out what works and what doesn't work for them. (I'm in the juice-is-key camp and I'd really like to see more flying hamsters.)
BUT, this chocolate thing has me pretty upset. Real chocolate lovers know that CC's Finest is the best, bar none. Even my chocolate "not-a-fan" wife would take out a Bear's O-line to get her hands on one of CC's White Delights.
I'll back out and leave the rest of the quibbles alone. And I think Quibbles would make a great name for a breakfast cereal...
BUT, this chocolate thing has me pretty upset. Real chocolate lovers know that CC's Finest is the best, bar none. Even my chocolate "not-a-fan" wife would take out a Bear's O-line to get her hands on one of CC's White Delights.
I'll back out and leave the rest of the quibbles alone. And I think Quibbles would make a great name for a breakfast cereal...
I totally agree with the OP on this. I think that often people want to help newbs avoid wasting money & time on stuff they've tried & know sucks. But the fact is that it might not suck for everyone. I think their intentions are good for the most part.
HST when you're new you have to go through a trial & error period. You just do. There's a lot of advice out there. But the best thing you can do as a newb is decide what's working for you & why, and what isn't working & why. Often you can make adjustments to what you have & it will be great, even if someone else considers it a "starter" type item. I have a Blu kit & I've read many comments on this type kit. But mine works just fine for what I got it for. I didn't have to make adjustments with the cartos to make it work better for me. But all things being equal it still does what I wanted it to do so I don't consider it something I will have to "upgrade" later. It's just fine like it is for me.
On the other hand, I've also gotten an Inferno kit with tanks & drip & while I'm sort of glad I got it for the experience of trying both out, if I could do it again, knowing what I know right now, I would have gone with the actual Ego battery & Stardust clear tanks from the beginning. I just like them so much better & unfortunately the Stardusts just don't work with the Inferno batteries as well as the Ego battery. But I might not have tried dripping right away if I hadn't got the Inferno & the Stardust tanks are as close to dripping as I can find for a tank type item.
So bottom line, you really can't figure out what works for you unless you get some experience & make decisions about your own preferences.
HST when you're new you have to go through a trial & error period. You just do. There's a lot of advice out there. But the best thing you can do as a newb is decide what's working for you & why, and what isn't working & why. Often you can make adjustments to what you have & it will be great, even if someone else considers it a "starter" type item. I have a Blu kit & I've read many comments on this type kit. But mine works just fine for what I got it for. I didn't have to make adjustments with the cartos to make it work better for me. But all things being equal it still does what I wanted it to do so I don't consider it something I will have to "upgrade" later. It's just fine like it is for me.
On the other hand, I've also gotten an Inferno kit with tanks & drip & while I'm sort of glad I got it for the experience of trying both out, if I could do it again, knowing what I know right now, I would have gone with the actual Ego battery & Stardust clear tanks from the beginning. I just like them so much better & unfortunately the Stardusts just don't work with the Inferno batteries as well as the Ego battery. But I might not have tried dripping right away if I hadn't got the Inferno & the Stardust tanks are as close to dripping as I can find for a tank type item.
So bottom line, you really can't figure out what works for you unless you get some experience & make decisions about your own preferences.
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I guess my idea of a REAL or TRUE pv is a big battery mod. Not that they dont all do the same in some facet but more to the point, they DONT ALL PERFORM THE SAME. If anyone could compare a Njoy to a LT,Buzz,Darwin, or Provari any big battery mod it simply could not hold its ground.
While my terminology may have been a bit "wonky" for some the idea is more of a how can you tell me what is great,good or bad in comparison if the only thing you have used is an njoy.
It would be the same as comparing as stating that a Ford Festiva should Rank up next to a Ferarri even though your ASSUMPTION is they are both cars and roll along under their own power. It is not about my device is better than yours or that they all dont have a place but more of a statement that people reviewing a device should have a fair amount of experience with a varyiung plethora of devices.
Thats it. Nothing more nothing less. When you visit a department store website and see reviewers opinions you know iummediately you have to take them with a grain of salt. I would like to think in a smaller community we have respected review authors and then "the rest" I think many jumped on the band wagon when their eyes lit up with the prospect of free merchandise and the possibility of making a dime.
I apologize for the poor grammar and typos in this post I refuse to edit them because I am simply to lazy and or embarassed. Good night.
Not sure I get what 'REAL' means here. But it's an age old, tireless argument.
There are a few basic concepts:
V^2/R = W ... Voltage squared divided by resistance = watts, and watts (heat) is applied over the surface area it contacts.
Everything is simply a buying decision based on the above. Of all the things in our world that area variable, physics is not on of them, and the above is basic physics. Your big battery mod, my GG, his provri, and someone else's ego can satisfy the above in a very similar way. There are differences of course, and we can go into fascinating discussions about Ohms law, thermo dynamics and heat in the discussion.
But they aren't really relevent in the starter forum. They just want a some help so that pack of cigs 5 feet away doesn't temt them. I'm cool with that.
They generally aren't going to go wrong with one of the common start kits. They can then start the quest for their perfect vape. They can ask you about the big bat mods, they can ask me about stuff in my sig, all while not smoking. And having something in their hands that was cheap enough, they they won't feel any constraints to give away that mod, and start the new non-smoker process all over again. Cool how PIF works that way.
Don't worry about where ultimately they to go here. They will seek it out. Simply get them started on the path..
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Gotta say that I back the OP's opinion.
I've seen a thousand instances of newbs being steered away from devices that may work very well for them, and pointed towards others that, while they may also work very well, might not be the best fit.
I see it happening most often when no real information is offered by the newb, and members will throw suggestions without any real justification eg: "get a eGo coz I luv it, it's da best, fugheddabout everything else", Zero information offered, zero value responses abound.
Of course then it becomes a catfight (not proud to say I've gotten involved once or twice) and people side off into two or three different camps and staunchly defend their positions using infallible logic, sometimes circular logic, put downs, healthy doses of bias, extreme and irrelevant points of view taken to varied lengths, and the occasional douche that pipes up to suggest a high end mod as a first PV because "why bother? You know you'll get one eventually."
Let's not forget the "Prove it!" junkies, and the folks that will lump all small ecigs into the same basket or rubbish a PV they have never used.
All I'm saying is it's funny how even though we preach "one size does not fit all" many will still say this and in the very next sentence proclaim their choice as the only model worth considering. LOL @ that.
Because of all this I try my hardest these days to stay away from "What model should I get?" newbie posts unless their list of criteria is very clear, or I ask them for heaps more info if I'm first in and they haven't offered it.
Buying a mall starter kit for $200 is a mistake, but only if you know better. Badgering newbs (however gently and diplomatically) into buying a certain model only because we like it, and dislike what they seem to be most likely to buy and happily use is "our" mistake.
I've seen a thousand instances of newbs being steered away from devices that may work very well for them, and pointed towards others that, while they may also work very well, might not be the best fit.
I see it happening most often when no real information is offered by the newb, and members will throw suggestions without any real justification eg: "get a eGo coz I luv it, it's da best, fugheddabout everything else", Zero information offered, zero value responses abound.
Of course then it becomes a catfight (not proud to say I've gotten involved once or twice) and people side off into two or three different camps and staunchly defend their positions using infallible logic, sometimes circular logic, put downs, healthy doses of bias, extreme and irrelevant points of view taken to varied lengths, and the occasional douche that pipes up to suggest a high end mod as a first PV because "why bother? You know you'll get one eventually."
Let's not forget the "Prove it!" junkies, and the folks that will lump all small ecigs into the same basket or rubbish a PV they have never used.
All I'm saying is it's funny how even though we preach "one size does not fit all" many will still say this and in the very next sentence proclaim their choice as the only model worth considering. LOL @ that.
Because of all this I try my hardest these days to stay away from "What model should I get?" newbie posts unless their list of criteria is very clear, or I ask them for heaps more info if I'm first in and they haven't offered it.
Buying a mall starter kit for $200 is a mistake, but only if you know better. Badgering newbs (however gently and diplomatically) into buying a certain model only because we like it, and dislike what they seem to be most likely to buy and happily use is "our" mistake.
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Yes, back to the OP's opinion. Not only do we see this here, but it seems to be common behavior in most things. One person has the right stuff, the perfect way, the best idea, and the only opinion. We do not take time to understand the other person and their needs. Carry on, folks.
I'm right there with ya. It's over my head, but slowly I'm catchin' on. The main thing for me is that I like vaping and I'm not lighting up anymore!!!! It's been almost 5 weeks!
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