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I'm ordering the PAX 2 device, had a couple of questions

Discussion in 'General Vaping Discussion' started by nicotineisbomb, Feb 18, 2018.

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  1. nicotineisbomb

    nicotineisbomb Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2017
    So, this device is a "harm reduction" device, obviously not as safe as vaping e liquid but much better than smoking. What it does is vaporize real tobacco that you insert into the PAX and heats it to a temperature low enough to not combust. My plan is to buy American Spirit light cigarettes and extract the tobacco, only using one cigarette per use. I heard this gives a cigarette "hit" more than e juice vaping does and satisfies more. The question is would extracting Newport tobacco be more carcinogenic than extracting American Spirit tobacco? I'd also almost assure that this is more addictive than vaping e juices...
     
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  2. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    Uhm, I don't think that device is really intended for tobacco. :blink:
     
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  3. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    There are dry herb vaporizers for tobacco, I don't know enough about them to know whether that is one.

    I'd say all things being equal it is POSSIBLE that American spirit tobacco contains less ADDITIVES than newports, whether that would add up to less carcinogens being produced, I would have no idea. I don't consider those devices very far from "harm" on the harm reduction spectrum. But, do what you must, if you must.

    Anna
     
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  4. nicotineisbomb

    nicotineisbomb Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2017
    Well, this is the closest I'll get to a real analog I guess..
     
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  5. nicotineisbomb

    nicotineisbomb Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2017
    Mind recommending some good tobacco devices?
     
  6. Rossum

    Rossum Surly Curmudgeon Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I have no idea, sorry. I smoked for 36 years (2 PAD for much of that time) and completely switched to vaping in under a week a bit more than four years ago. Being rid of the constant smoker's cough and incessant low-grade bronchitis I'd had for well over a decade has been a powerful motivator not to return to smoking cigarettes.

    I have no personal experience with the Pax stuff, but my understanding is that one of the reasons Juul was spun off from Pax Labs was because everyone knows that the stuff Pax Labs makes isn't really for tobacco, and the investors who funded Juul's development, marketing, and merchandising didn't want that association...
     
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  7. nicotineisbomb

    nicotineisbomb Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2017
    I see, from what I understand the major killer in cigarettes is the carbon monoxide and tar.
     
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  8. Asbestos4004

    Asbestos4004 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2013
    Sugar Hill, Georgia
    Already sick of your new stuff that you loved yesterday? :eek:
     
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  9. hittman

    hittman ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I can’t remember the name of it but 7-8 years ago there was a device that Tropical Bob tried that heated tobacco pods. If I remember, I’ll let you know.
     
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  10. Bonskibon

    Bonskibon Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 11, 2015
    USA Northeast
    I'm confused, didn't you post recently how much you were enjoying your new vape stuff you were getting in the mail? What happened?
     
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  11. Upinsmoke

    Upinsmoke Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 2, 2017
    Suffolk UK
    Think of it another way .
    If the devices you are considering were any good they would be everywhere.
    Sites dedicated to the topic.
    There aren't.
    Perhaps you're just not ready to pack in the smoking.
    There is no easy answer.
    Think you're just driving yourself crazy .
    Doing my head in.
     
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  12. Asbestos4004

    Asbestos4004 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2013
    Sugar Hill, Georgia
    not to mention sending his enabling Aunt into sure bankruptcy.
     
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  13. Upinsmoke

    Upinsmoke Senior Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 2, 2017
    Suffolk UK
    Maybe his mother didn't love him enough .
     
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  14. Vaperer

    Vaperer Super Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 10, 2017
    Don't buy that device.
    It's just a big waste of money. I was gifted one and didn't even like it. I gave it back to the person who gave it to me because it was useless. If you're going to vape Vape/ if you're going to smoke smoke/ there is no in between. You did mention that you bought some E-liquid so what happened.?
     
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  15. EIHYPI

    EIHYPI Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2017
    NY & LA
    Hey dude bro, in many places they say that we are not telling you what to do rather we are telling you what worked for us. There are so many people on this forum that can tell you what has worked for them. I guarantee you that none of them are tobacco users rather they are vapers. Reason being because that's what worked for us after being a tobacco user, for some a very large portion of their life.

    Now it's not cool to use tobacco in any form. Tobacco has claimed many lives and some people here may even have even near death stories. Stop trying to impress everybody and instead impress yourself. Buy a vape and juice and show yourself that you can be tobacco free too. It worked for us so give yourself a chance.

    I started smoking at the age of 17-18. Wanna know why? I thought it was cool until I was hooked. Then after 5 years God was with me as I transitioned to vaping at such a young age. If you go down the tobacco road you may not be as lucky as me to quit at age 23. You still have the opportunity to live a long healthy life. If you absolutely have to use nicotine, just vape.
     
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  16. Topwater Elvis

    Topwater Elvis Vaping Master ECF Veteran

    Dec 26, 2012
    Texas
    What changed in 24ish hours.

    Folks with 20, 30 ~ 50+ year, 1-3 packs per day cig habits successfully quit smoking using vaping & standard e liquids.
    Someone with a couple year half pack a day habit can too, easily, same goes even it were 3 packs per day for a few years.

    Time to get some medical / mental health professionals involved if the urge to smoke is so overwhelming it can't be controlled even when the hand to mouth aspect & nicotine desires are being met.
    Thousands quit each year cold turkey.
     
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  17. Vaperer

    Vaperer Super Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 10, 2017
    Yep that's exactly why I started smoking. Just fitting in with everybody else cuz in that time. Everybody smoked. I sure am kicking myself in the butt now. I'm surprised I'm Not Dead. Vaping for me is the best thing that happened in a long time as far as tobacco and nicotine.
     
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  18. hittman

    hittman ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    It is unfortunate but regular nic liquid isn’t always enough to curb the cravings. I was there several years ago. Lucky for me, I ran into Dvap on the forum and was introduced to wta. If it’s cigarette taste the OP is looking for then I doubt I can help but if it’s cravings they are fighting then I’d suggest trying some wta liquid. My saving grace was/is Swedish snus and wta when needed.
     
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  19. nicotineisbomb

    nicotineisbomb Senior Member

    Nov 24, 2017
    Its the taste and tobacco I crave.
     
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  20. hittman

    hittman ECF Guru Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    I didn’t realize it until I did a search but the vaporizer I mentioned that Tropical Bob tried was just called the ploom.I discovered that ploom makes the pax2.
     
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