Important --> Interview with Dr. Michael Siegel on E-Cigs
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good find! im all for fda regulating the quality of the ingredients going into my juices... this just makes sense and is for consumer protection. i like to think that all the vendors that are on this site use the highest quality ingredients but without some form of oversight the only way to know is to take their word on it.
i hope that they would not regulate it to the extent they did with tobacco and outlawing any "flavored" tobaccos... that would kill about 99% of the juices on the market.
i hope that they would not regulate it to the extent they did with tobacco and outlawing any "flavored" tobaccos... that would kill about 99% of the juices on the market.
I think the FDA not unlike most governance in this country would manage to screw the e cig platform up in some way. Really, when does governing policy ever work? They can't even keep our food safe. Why would you want a big business preferential system introduced here? Especially given the potential for ecigs to disrupt the tobbacco industries revenue. We all have the ability to ensure that our juice is safe. These companies know this. Besides e juice is a relatively simple solution , not much to mess up..
For all the good Siegel does, he has been part of the problem for a long time. He is one of the many from tobacco control that has been lying about the dangers of smokeless tobacco, which he has never taken back despite mountains of evidence. This was years ago before e-cigs ever existed. He was part of the chorus that deceived the public into thinking that smokeless tobacco was just as harmful as smoking.
He has as much blood on his hands as anyone from the tobacco companies or BP.
He has as much blood on his hands as anyone from the tobacco companies or BP.
Great interview! A few highlights that I strongly agree with: The controls for vaping should NOT be in the same category as cigarettes, and that quality standards for ingredients must be regulated and monitored.
What he didn't mention (surprisingly) was the importance of ensuring GMP, or good manufacturing practices
What he didn't mention (surprisingly) was the importance of ensuring GMP, or good manufacturing practices
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Enjoy the Golden Age of Vaping while you can, because once the feds get involved things will change for the worse. There will be so many regulations piled on that only big business will be able to survive and make a profit from e-juice, and that will be with much higher prices paid by us.
Government doesn't protect us, it has come to exist for its own benefit. We are merely the herd that sustains it.
Government doesn't protect us, it has come to exist for its own benefit. We are merely the herd that sustains it.
I am not anti-government by any stretch, but I am am against all things stupid. If stupidity reigns down, imagine a vapers march on Washington!
The problem with this is that e-juice might get very expensive because of special interest groups. They'll treat these just like analogues, and we all know how that will go down. Mr.Mann, you mentioned a vapers' march in Washington. That would be nice, but I don't think that it would be easy to organize, considering the small niche it attracts. Tobacco smokers were never able to unite sufficiently against the exuberant taxes and were cast away.
Anti-tobacco groups prefer to attack the smoker than the dangers of smoking. This is counter-productive and stupid. They attack the cigarette like I can wake up tomorrow morning without requiring one in the morning to function normally. Now, an alternative exists. They attack the alternative because it LOOKS like smoking. They certainly don't attack any of those other failed smokeless nicotine treatments. However, they attack this one because of the way it looks. That's clear evidence that they're just bothered by the LOOK of a person smoking, not by the actual problems that smoke causes. It should have been evident from the moment they started attacking vapor. The emissions we inhale every morning when we go to work without smoking are MUCH more dangerous than e-cig vapor blown in your face for a month non-stop.
Anti-tobacco groups prefer to attack the smoker than the dangers of smoking. This is counter-productive and stupid. They attack the cigarette like I can wake up tomorrow morning without requiring one in the morning to function normally. Now, an alternative exists. They attack the alternative because it LOOKS like smoking. They certainly don't attack any of those other failed smokeless nicotine treatments. However, they attack this one because of the way it looks. That's clear evidence that they're just bothered by the LOOK of a person smoking, not by the actual problems that smoke causes. It should have been evident from the moment they started attacking vapor. The emissions we inhale every morning when we go to work without smoking are MUCH more dangerous than e-cig vapor blown in your face for a month non-stop.
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That's why I said "imagine".
Is there a count of the current ECF registered members? Not saying all would attend or even some, but I am interested to know how many are on ECF. Also, ECF members (though numerous) still only represent a a fraction of vapers. I bet if things were to hit the fan, ECF would be the hub of organizing.
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I think the problem lies in outside support. Protests that are successful are often organized with the intent of others joining. However, the world is too against us to even care about a large percentage of the population finally having the possibility of quitting the version of "smoking" that has harmful elements. Forget about that. "A smoker is still a smoker. Screw him and let him quit, because it's easy enough."
Okay, you are making it very hard to argue with you! Damn you! I can not argue with such solid points. There are almost 100,000 ECF members (only about 10% active) but I concede to your stance...though I can still imagine.
Yes sir, we can all imagine that, and I'd easily contribute to the cause whatever is necessary. We all have to do our parts and become a tight group of individuals who have come across each other through the Wire. We're still in control of what happens to us. We just have to care enough to make the right choice.
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