In case you missed it - FDA regulations

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Outstanding! Thanx for the link...
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If you want to have a more detailed understanding of the issues at hand, I encourage readers here to explore the FDA section. With some caution. There are a lot of knowledgeable people over there on the issues. Experts like Bill Goddard, and Kristen from Cassa who post. There are also some really knowledgeable people on the material.

One of the problems with understanding the material at hand is the vast amount of material on the subject. Its complicated by politics and law. Some of those people over there in the FDA section, know there stuff. Guys like Stosh and Kent C. Kent C. has looked into all kinds of stuff, and he is a real factually driven guy. He can be really helpful, in understanding stuff if you pay attention to his stuff. Sometimes he kind of summarizes what has been said in vast amounts of material, and he even documents his summary with posits of proof. So much of his analysis I just accept as fact, because it is. <<<< That is right then I dont have to read it all myself. I dont know where the guy gets time to do it, maybe he is a speed reader.

The cautionary note in posting over there is this: If you dont stick to what you know as a fact, there will be times over there when you feel like you swallowed yourself.

Regarding the article, I spent three plus hours looking into the article and ended up with a page of notes. Stanton Glantz is involved,>>> again. Glantz is a Professor of Medicine in the Division of Cardiology, but he is NOT a Cardiologist. <<< When you start talking abt Glantz stuff, things get a little odd. Glantz was just involved in a really weird Time Magazine article that said Industry was winning the ecig battle.

Maybe tomorrow.
 
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whew, this and that other thread took off like a rocket and sputtered. Came this far here is some of the more interesting stuff I turned up.


There is some mention in the article about a Korean "Study" and a Korean "Survey." <<< From which the article draws some rather large conclusions.

The study was done by Stanton Glantz. And you can only find that footnote in the footnotes of the article or the actual study.

As a follow up here is a really good article abt that study:

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/11/new-study-completely-misrepresents.html

As a footnote to the link, I did follow up on the link I posted to see if the actual representations put forth were in the Korean study. Bingo they were. The link posted is precisely accurate on the info.
 
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whew, this and that other thread took off like a rocket and sputtered. Came this far here is some of the more interesting stuff I turned up.


There is some mention in the article about a Korean "Study" and a Korean "Survey." <<< From which the article draws some rather large conclusions.

The study was done by Stanton Glantz. And you can only find that footnote in the footnotes of the article or the actual study.

As a follow up here is a really good article abt that study:

http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/2013/11/new-study-completely-misrepresents.html

As a footnote to the link, I did follow up on the link I posted to see if the actual representations put forth were in the Korean study. Bingo they were. The link posted is precisely accurate on the info.

Re:Siegel....
I don't know if this is sarcasm or just tongue in cheek but he has the same paragraph word for word, after points one and two:

This conclusion is scary, and if true, I would have to think seriously about whether to continue to support electronic cigarettes as a smoking cessation strategy. The statement suggests that in this study, the use of electronic cigarettes caused smokers to smoke more, thus enhancing their addiction to cigarette smoking.


I don't care for the wording because either it shows he could be persuaded otherwise, and that his main focus is on smoking cessation, not harm reduction. I'm wondering if he would be shown that, for kids, that it would continue their addiction, whether that would be enough for him to stop supporting ecigs, even though so many adults have quit smoking or reduced it significantly. And if he is more concerned, in smoking cessation like Zeller, (since he considers dual use as continuing the addiction), than in harm reduction. The adult studies - even ones that he's written about - show that ecigs contribute to smoking cessation.

The body of his work tells me otherwise but maybe I was just being optimistic and I realize his conclusions contradict the study, I just don't like the idea that he sets himself up by saying what it would take to convince him otherwise. Chances are the ANTZ would use that against him.
 
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