Indulgence Safety

[Apatel]

Di or David,

Amidst all the recent issues with mods exploding or catching fire, I was wondering about the safety of the batteries and chargers provided with the Indulgence and the extended cups?

Can you please shed some light on the issue, and perhaps prodive some pointers on safe use.

Thanks.

 

[Di]

Di or David,

Amidst all the recent issues with mods exploding or catching fire, I was wondering about the safety of the batteries and chargers provided with the Indulgence and the extended cups?

Can you please shed some light on the issue, and perhaps prodive some pointers on safe use.

Thanks.

honestly apatel

this is a technical question which should be answered by someone who knows what they are talking about --

that is unfortunately -- not me -----

all I can tell you is this, --

the batteries provided to you by Eastmall has been made for and tested with Indulgence
the charger that comes with it is also the correct one for the batteries.
The batteries are protected to prevent accidents
and if used correctly, there should not be any problems,

that is the extent of my knowledge on the matter.

Please contact either David,
or the battery/charger manufacturer
if you require more detailed technical explanations.




there are some very good threads here about batteries and chargers from some who know what they are talking about -----

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/search.php?searchid=3725940

 

[Di]

Good housekeeping is key here i think, sure it's dangerous to use any lithium ion batteries and even protected batteries can still vent if shorted.

Always try and use matched voltage batteries, label them if you have to, as soon as vapour drops off then replace them with a fresh set, if a battery falls below 2.1v then i just bin it, these things are still cheap, so it's not worth the risk for a few pounds/dollars.

common sense plays a major factor for safety, and the battery technology is moving on,some AW batteries are now coming with a mechanical failsafe as well as a protection pcb, it seperates the two chemicals from mixing during a short, so in theory no boom

Forgot to mention to check the wrapping on the battery, if some has come away or is missing and the bare metal from the battery touches the inside of the tube it will short out.

Use the correct charger for the correct battery, take it off the charger when the led goes green, a lot of chargers still trickle charge when the light is green, not good for your battery.

Oh and if your mod starts getting really hot, don't treat it like a hot water bottle, get it away from you quickly, just a few pointers, i'm sure a lot more experienced members can expand on this

Most of all use common sense and be safe

 

[77fro]

i orderd a indulgence before there holiday and they sent me one that didnt work and iv tryd emailing them 5 times now and have not heard back. im sure the holidays are over so i dont know what the deal is

 

[Di]

i orderd a indulgence before there holiday and they sent me one that didnt work and iv tryd emailing them 5 times now and have not heard back. im sure the holidays are over so i dont know what the deal is

Please contact our new CS officer -

make sure you have your shipping details, and your order number - thanks -----

eastmallcs@gmail.com

 

[hifistud]

Di, those chargers are not correctly specified for the 3v protected LiFePos - their end voltage is too high at 4.2 volts, and the LiFePos, even after 8 hours, do not show a green "charged" LED.

Protected cells or not, this is not a good situation.

 

[mudmanc4]

Ok guy's , the batteries that came with indulgence were specifically made for the indulgence.

The charger that was shipped with the indulgence , and the batteries that were shipped with the indulgence were paired up by the battery manufacturure.

I would sincerely doubt that the battery manufacturer would incorrectly match up a charger and there batteries. We would have to be much more knowledgable about just exactly how the charger works per hour charge on a specific battery before making any statement that there could be any issues. As well as being bold enough to make a blanket statement that there is a dangerous situation, without such said knowledge.

For one, chargers are much more sofisticated now then they used to be, it used to be that a charger would be absolute in what battery could be placed with. Now when you have a charger that will accept more then one battery ( spring loaded slider ) and batterires that are protected with electronics (PCB) that will sense the incoming voltage as well as the voltage within the battery, and will shut off the charge when the battery is either fully charged , or malfunctioning in one or more ways. This is the reason for the electronics programmed into the charger, and implemented within the battery.

I have batteries here that will charge in several hours, and the same model number battery , different battery placed in the charger, that will take much longer then this.

If anyone has a battery that does not work, does not charge, or is doing anything other then what would be expected as normal operation, I would suggest discontinuing use.

Please use only batteries with the indulgence that came with the indulgence. With only , the charger that came with the indulgence.

 

[hifistud]

I'll say it again - end voltage for that battery is 3.2 volts, not the 4.2 volts the charger is expecting. Therefore, the charger does not stop the charge at the 3.2 volt end voltage that it should, but continues to trickle charge. If the protection circuit is cutting in to open circuit the battery at 3.2 volts, you would expect to see a full charge indicator (green LED) at some point and since it's delivering 320mA for a 4.2v end voltage, then a 900mAH battery ought to show full charge in three hours or so.

That it isn't (and these batteries charge perfectly in a 3v charger dedicated to LiFePo RCR123As) means either the charger(s) are not working properly, or they simply are not suitable for these batteries.

Without a full tech sheet for the batteries (which is noticeable by its absence) and a full tech sheet for the chargers, and with all due respect to yourself, I do not consider the combination safe, even though the LiFePo chemistry is demonstrably less risky than older Li-ion chemistries.

Protected or no, the end voltage should not exceed 3.2v - it really is that simple.

 

[hidaho]

I agree with hifistud, how a 3.7v li-ion battery charger could be suitable for 3v li-po battery ?
protected or not, voltage, current and charge cycle are different.

 

[Jumi]

Hello all,
I like Indulgence and probably purchase it when titan + extension are available again.

But I have some thoughts. One of the big + of a mod is that the user can buy some generic batteries of specified size (e.g. 18350) of any manufacturer and use them.

I don't want to be "stuck" with only one manufacturer's batteries, even more when this manufacturer does not sell them in his e-shop...

So, I need to be able to buy protected 18350 with a poly-charger of my choice from at least two sources before I consider 18350 as an option.

One source is eastmall IF they sell just the batteries and can buy as many as I like. Are you selling just the batteries? At what cost?

Another source could be TW, as SD also wears protected 18350. Are they totally compatible with Indulgence?

Don't get me wrong, I like Indulgence a lot and it would probably be my first mod but if I want to enjoy it, I will need to have options for the consumables (batteries).

*I too agree with hifistud. I find it better if you sell a 3V recharger with the 6V extension or point us to another compatible 3V charger or just sell the stand-alone charger.

 

[mudmanc4]

This whole conversation is moot, because as already stated, we have no complete data sheet for them, and if we did, which one of us is capable of breaking it down for the rest to understand ?

To continue making claims on something we have no possble way at this point of arguing anything, there is no data, no argument, simple as that.

What i have done is brought this new issue of untrust to the attention of whom it concerns, I await there respone.

 

[hidaho]

best thing to do is :

buy indulgence with extended cup, then buy batteries with charger on DX

 

[Dogsbody]

I had a look at the Indulgence charger and it does say on the back 1.2v-3.7 so I thought I would test it... I put a flat 1.2v AA batt in it and it charged it up and the light went green, I tested it on the multi meter and it reads 1.3v.
It may be different with lifepo4s but it does seem to be a multi-voltage charger. I havent recieved my 3v batts from Eastmall yet, but will test and post back as soon as I get them.

 

[Di]

I had a look at the Indulgence charger and it does say on the back 1.2v-3.7 so I thought I would test it... I put a flat 1.2v AA batt in it and it charged it up and the light went green, I tested it on the multi meter and it reads 1.3v.
It may be different with lifepo4s but it does seem to be a multi-voltage charger. I havent recieved my 3v batts from Eastmall yet, but will test and post back as soon as I get them.

thank DB,

please do this -- thanks --

as to this charger and the green led,

I immediately tested mine, and charged battys on it

mine worked and charged them, I cant test voltage I am not expert and have no multimeter,
but the light turned yellow after 4 hours, then green after another hour.

so I think the one where the light doesn't turn green, may be faulty.

I did notice too, that it is very fiddly to get the battery in there correctly, it does tend to slip off to one side or the other, but once in there straight and correct, all seemed to work well enough ---

I also spoke to David about this issue,
he assures me that the engineer and himself have tested these battys and charger, and the test results were consistant at 3.6v

 

[Jumi]

This is great Di. I would also like to see this charger offered as spare for Indulgence. I need at least 3 chargers to feel safe

 

[Di]

This is great Di. I would also like to see this charger offered as spare for Indulgence. I need at least 3 chargers to feel safe

I will ask David to make this available as an optional extra purchase item also along with the batteries.

 

[hifistud]

thank DB,


as to this charger and the green led,

I immediately tested mine, and charged battys on it

mine worked and charged them, I cant test voltage I am not expert and have no multimeter,
but the light turned yellow after 4 hours, then green after another hour.

so I think the one where the light doesn't turn green, may be faulty.

So I now have three faulty chargers?? Brilliant. One dies in action and the other two are DOA!

I did notice too, that it is very fiddly to get the battery in there correctly, it does tend to slip off to one side or the other, but once in there straight and correct, all seemed to work well enough ---

I also spoke to David about this issue,
he assures me that the engineer and himself have tested these battys and charger, and the test results were consistant at 3.6v

I shall check the charge voltage under load - if indeed there is one - and get back to you, but at this point, I'm less than happy.

 

[mudmanc4]

hifi can you please explain how you will test the "charge voltage under load " please.

If you re referring to the charger, this wont be possible without sophosticated equipment, as the charger asks the battery what it needs ( in a sense ) and it will take several different batteries. Maybe I am reading what your saying wrong.

And are you useing the same battery in all three chargers.

Also if you are having this many problems with all your batteries , and all these chargers , please contact me at eastmallcs@gmail.com , and I will take care of this for you today.

Thanks

 

[Di]

So I now have three faulty chargers?? Brilliant. One dies in action and the other two are DOA!

I shall check the charge voltage under load - if indeed there is one - and get back to you, but at this point, I'm less than happy.

At EastMall, we have always stood by the products we sell --

we are proud of the way we have always taken care of any issues aour customers have with our products ----

if you have ever had an issue of any kind, it is addressed and your product is reshipped, or refunded with no hassles , we are proud of the way we take care of our customers,

and there are many customers out there who will tell you that they too think we do a bang up job of taking care of any issues with our products, --

instead of continuing to complain in here, why do you not contact customer Service and get your product issues taken care of in the correct way --

you say you are less than happy --

We will be more than happy to have the products returned to us and refund you.

 

[hifistud]

hifi can you please explain how you will test the "charge voltage under load " please.

If you re referring to the charger, this wont be possible without sophosticated equipment, as the charger asks the battery what it needs ( in a sense ) and it will take several different batteries. Maybe I am reading what your saying wrong.

I'll measure charge voltage and current with a 1.2v NiMh in the charger(s), then with a 3.6v 16340 Li-ion and finally with the supplied 3v LiFePos - I have all of the necessary equipment, as we use it for working on amplifiers and suchlike as part of our business.

And are you useing the same battery in all three chargers.

I can load 10440, 14500, 18650, 16340 3.6v, RCR123A protected/unprotected, and will.

I've checked up on the specs on this charger - the HG103w:

Multi-purpose Intelligent Automatic Stoppage Battery Charger HG-103W
Specification:
␣ Input voltage: 110—240V, 47—63HZ(world power source)
␣ Charge current: 1.2V/260mA ,3.6V/230ma,9V/140mA.
Charging specification:
␣ 1.Can load all kinds of 3.6V lithium rechargeable battery such as LIR123A
␣ 2.Can load 1.2V nickel-hydrogen / nickel- cadmium rechargeable battery, big size(1#/size D) , 2/3—5/4AA(5#), 2/3— 5/4AAA(7#), 2/3—7/5 F6,F8 rechargeable battery
␣ 3.2pcs 9V nickel-hydrogen / nickel-cadmium rechargeable battery

You'll note that it does not specify 3v at all.

Also if you are having this many problems with all your batteries , and all these chargers , please contact me at eastmallcs@gmail.com , and I will take care of this for you today.

Thanks

I'll drop you a line - apparently Di's not happy that this is being discussed in open forum.