Innokin announces temp control

[TheBloke]

innovation from innokin, meh, quality yes in their mods but innovative? in this day and age, not.
tanks, meh, the only one thats gotten good reviews is the isub, good, yes, innovative its not other than price point.

So far, perhaps - although I did the USB charger output on the MVP was a neat idea, and their iSub (original) tank is the only one I know of which has the base of the coil form the direct 510 connection to the mod, which reduces the amount of metal involved and should give a better connection.

Both small innovations, but even those are more than many companies have achieved.

But if they pull this off - and I'm now thinking that's much more likely than not - then I don't think you can deny this is great innovation. The idea was 'obvious' but then so was Ni200 resistance-detecting TC; the first company that brings it is by definition a risk-taking innovator, and that's to be at the very least appreciated.

 

[USMCotaku]

innovation from innokin, meh, quality yes in their mods but innovative? in this day and age, not.
tanks, meh, the only one thats gotten good reviews is the isub, good, yes, innovative its not other than price point.

I don't know.... How many tanks, and sub ohm to boot, use the coil as the 510 connection, this eliminating a voltage drop spot? That's innovative

 

[IanDVaypes]

What if someone holds down the fire button without taking a draw. I know what yal might be thinking "who does that?" Someone who forgot to lock the mod and burns a hole in their pants.

 

[TheBloke]

What if someone holds down the fire button without taking a draw. I know what yal might be thinking "who does that?" Someone who forgot to lock the mod and burns a hole in their pants.

Sorry I don't follow - what would be different about doing that in this mod versus any other? The TC should cut the power pretty quick because the temp will ramp straight up without airflow to cool it.

 

[IanDVaypes]

Sorry I don't follow - what would be different about doing that in this mod versus any other? The TC should cut the power pretty quick because the temp will ramp straight up without airflow to cool it.

It appears that this mod measures the tempurature of the airflow at the drip tip. If there's no airflow, no accurate reading.

 

[Quantum Mech]

It appears that this mod measures the tempurature of the airflow at the drip tip. If there's no airflow, no accurate reading.

I hope not as a 400f hit of vapour will be a little over a warm vape

Thought they were controlling coil temp not vapour

 

[jstrong]

Got a response from Innokin

"Need be Innokin iTC Tank , but able to use your own favorable wires"

That was there bad Engrish

 

[USMCotaku]

Got a response from Innokin

"Need be Innokin iTC Tank , but able to use your own favorable wires"

That was there bad Engrish

Read: We will have isub coils in different wires to buy

 

[Eric Auer]

Really interested where this is going.

Very different approach so far.

Innokin usually makes solid stuff, I doubt it will be a shoddy solution.

Eric

 

[TheBloke]

Read: We will have isub coils in different wires to buy

Yes I think so, at least at first.

 

[Eric Auer]

@TheBloke

I think it will probably be the simplest, most user friendly solution for TC.

Thing about Innokin is they make things that work. Without any bells and whistles.

Eric

 

[edyle]

So far, perhaps - although I did the USB charger output on the MVP was a neat idea, and their iSub (original) tank is the only one I know of which has the base of the coil form the direct 510 connection to the mod, which reduces the amount of metal involved and should give a better connection.

Both small innovations, but even those are more than many companies have achieved.

But if they pull this off - and I'm now thinking that's much more likely than not - then I don't think you can deny this is great innovation. The idea was 'obvious' but then so was Ni200 resistance-detecting TC; the first company that brings it is by definition a risk-taking innovator, and that's to be at the very least appreciated.

the base of the coil forms the direct 510 connection on a lot of bottom coil clearomizers; protanks, aspires, evod.

 

[Eric Auer]

the base of the coil forms the direct 510 connection on a lot of bottom coil clearomizers; protanks, aspires, evod.

Not if they are spring loaded.

And the Innokin Isub has the 510 threads on the coil, not the tank.

Eric

 

[USMCotaku]

the base of the coil forms the direct 510 connection on a lot of bottom coil clearomizers; protanks, aspires, evod.

But still not as the 510, those others still use the attys 510 as the negative connection...

 

[edyle]

But still not as the 510, those others still use the attys 510 as the negative connection...

Oh! so it's like a carto then!

 

[TheBloke]

Yeah, here's some pictures I annotated a while back for another thread. The bottom of the tank itself just has a hole in it where the 510 would normally be, that fits around the base of the coil which is a 510 connection in and of itself. Pretty neat.

 

[TheBloke]

FYI I raised this just as an example of Innokin's innovation, not because I currently believe that the new iSub TC (the one with the sensor) will use the same system.

That's unconfirmed, but pictures of the new TC tank show it has an extra ring on the base part, which I thought was suggestive of a standard-style connection - coil-to-tank; tank-to-mod. Given that the TC has to have extra wires going from it to the mod, that's not surprising.

I posted some pictures on page 2 or 3, visually comparing the new iSub TC to the original iSub.

 

[TheBloke]

@TheBloke

I think it will probably be the simplest, most user friendly solution for TC.

Thing about Innokin is they make things that work. Without any bells and whistles.

Eric

When used with coil heads, yes I think you're right. Pop in an coil head, vape. Can't be much simpler than that. For a large portion of the market, that's going to be more than enough - and I think Innokin are very smart for doing this. An innovative new TC solution, which requires users to buy a new mod, a new tank, and a regular stream of new coils.

But what about the rest of the market - the hobbyists, the tweakers? Will Innokin get this working well for RTAs? That's up for debate; can they provide a coil build area that has a sensor pointing at it that works accurately? Will there be restrictions on the size/placement of the coil(s)? Will wicking be affected? Will dual coil be possible?

Will they license the technology to allow the big-name atomizer makers to release ITC versions? That could be both lucrative, and enabling of the hobbyist section of the market.

And then cost - will the mod and tank combo be affordable for the majority of the basic-user market? Will the coil heads cost much more than current ones, or on-a-par? Cost could be an important factor, and one that goes hand-in-hand with the above questions: cost is not so important to the hobbyist market, but the majority of the hobbyists are unlikely to remain satisfied with a basic tank and coil-heads. The rest of the market would be perfectly OK with coil heads, but their willingness to buy both a new mod and a new tank will depend on its price, and the ongoing price of the replacement coils in comparison to the coils they already buy.

I no longer have any doubt that they will release a working coil-head tank and a range of different-wire coils. What remains speculative is how hard they will try to make it more flexible, how quickly and how well they will succeed if they do try, and whether the price of the hardware and coils will be conducive to massive take-up in the non-hobbyist market.

But whatever the answers to all those questions, it's definitely a game-changer. I'll be interested to know what legal protections they have and how good it is - ie to what extent we'll see quick copying/cloning. If we do see that it will help enormously in seeing the technology spread and grow into new forms.

 

[Eric Auer]

@TheBloke

Innokin is always a great at pricing tho they start out a little pricey.

I'm sure this will be a simple solution for the masses, as it should be.

Plenty of tinkering mods will be available for the enthusiasts, Innokin does not aim at them.

I bet there will be all kinds of coils from them too, at a good price.

Personally I'm looking forward to a simple "Set it and forget it" TC solution for everyday use.

Eric

 

[mc8]

I don't really see a point in that. I mean, what is the benefit of having kanthal temp controlled head compared to ni200 or ti ones, that are on the market now? Plus, we can use todays mods with all the rba's with those wires for temp "guessing", and it works..I guess innokin is a bit behind in the game and are trying to catch up with something different..