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Tried a Triton or Atlantis with the 1.8 ohm coil yet? They damn sure can turn a subtank into a MTL tank.
How is that different than an iSub with a 2 ohm coil? A subtank still has the huge chimney, and in the iSub at least, a huge drip tip that cannot be changed for a smaller one.
Great news that this is coming - I'd been worried that the relative radio silence in the last couple of months had meant that they were having problems.
No 510 connector? Thank God. The 510 connector absolutely needs to die, and it can't start dying until someone steps up to the plate with a new one. Fingers crossed Innokin have made this reliable and easy, and (less likely) generic and suitable for further extension in the future. I hope they don't try and make it exclusive, but rather happily share it with as many other manufacturers as possible to boost uptake.
With an adapter (that surely they will provide), there shouldn't be too much new-adopter pain. And they will definitely have other manufacturers wanting to join them - just recently, I saw Cloudmaker talk about how the 510 was an example of past-its-prime tech that needed to become legacy (the other example they gave, was 18650 batteries - it was in the context of talking about Lipos and how the DNA 200 could now support 2x18650.)
So all of this seems like great news to me. Is it the start of the death of resistance-based TC? Could be. Then again we'll have to see how generic it is, and therefore how well it works with rebuildables - if at all. And any death is going to be slow, giving all the existing equipment out there. Maybe they'll live side by side, with future mods supporting both methods and some tanks having sensors and some not.
Not that being coil-head only will be an impasse to big sales. I'd bet that rebuildables now make up a pretty small minority of the market. There's five vaping shops in my local town (population 150k). Three of them wouldn't know a rebuildable if it coiled their bottom. The other two have a small selection of clone RBAs/RTAs, like half a dozen in a small display case. In one of those stores, when I asked to see them, they said "Hang on we'll get Dave, he knows about them." In the other, I asked the young guy if they had RBAs and he said "err, no?" and I only got to see them because I happened to notice them myself in a small corner while walking out. To which he said "Oh, those? Yeah I think they're kind of old school stuff, like from 2008 or something?"
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the tech could work with rebuildables, so let's hope they try.
Exciting times, as always!
No 510 connector? Thank God. The 510 connector absolutely needs to die, and it can't start dying until someone steps up to the plate with a new one. Fingers crossed Innokin have made this reliable and easy, and (less likely) generic and suitable for further extension in the future. I hope they don't try and make it exclusive, but rather happily share it with as many other manufacturers as possible to boost uptake.
With an adapter (that surely they will provide), there shouldn't be too much new-adopter pain. And they will definitely have other manufacturers wanting to join them - just recently, I saw Cloudmaker talk about how the 510 was an example of past-its-prime tech that needed to become legacy (the other example they gave, was 18650 batteries - it was in the context of talking about Lipos and how the DNA 200 could now support 2x18650.)
So all of this seems like great news to me. Is it the start of the death of resistance-based TC? Could be. Then again we'll have to see how generic it is, and therefore how well it works with rebuildables - if at all. And any death is going to be slow, giving all the existing equipment out there. Maybe they'll live side by side, with future mods supporting both methods and some tanks having sensors and some not.
Not that being coil-head only will be an impasse to big sales. I'd bet that rebuildables now make up a pretty small minority of the market. There's five vaping shops in my local town (population 150k). Three of them wouldn't know a rebuildable if it coiled their bottom. The other two have a small selection of clone RBAs/RTAs, like half a dozen in a small display case. In one of those stores, when I asked to see them, they said "Hang on we'll get Dave, he knows about them." In the other, I asked the young guy if they had RBAs and he said "err, no?" and I only got to see them because I happened to notice them myself in a small corner while walking out. To which he said "Oh, those? Yeah I think they're kind of old school stuff, like from 2008 or something?"
Anyway, I'm pretty sure the tech could work with rebuildables, so let's hope they try.
Exciting times, as always!
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Simple. the coil has a small as .... airflow. it's tiiiiiiny. also don't forget. the triton can use any standard driptip.
the shimney doesn't matter for mouth to lung. it is all dependant on the airflow and considering the 1.8 ohm coil has a extremely tiny diameter it is perfect for MTL. I think its the same size as the nautilus actually.
This part is telling:
Pretty clear to me that they'll have a RDA/RTA solution, if not at launch, not long after. In the long run, I expect what they'll want to do if this catches on, is licence the tech, at least to atomizer makers, if not mod makers (since Innokin makes most of their money on mods/batteries, not tanks or coils).
They could potentially sell a whole lot of "InnoTC" connectors that could then be fitted to existing atty designs, or as mentioned, license them (and if they're smart, they'll license them cheaply enough to have minimal impact on the cost of goods, and still make a tidy profit on volume).
Pretty clear to me that they'll have a RDA/RTA solution, if not at launch, not long after. In the long run, I expect what they'll want to do if this catches on, is licence the tech, at least to atomizer makers, if not mod makers (since Innokin makes most of their money on mods/batteries, not tanks or coils).
They could potentially sell a whole lot of "InnoTC" connectors that could then be fitted to existing atty designs, or as mentioned, license them (and if they're smart, they'll license them cheaply enough to have minimal impact on the cost of goods, and still make a tidy profit on volume).
Tiny coil wrapped in a lot of cotton, two tiny airflow openings on the base (compared to four large on an Aspire sub-ohm coil). Remember, airflow is restricted by the smallest part of the flow, from the AFC to the drip tip, and Aspire restricted the hell out of the 1.8 ohm coil.
1.8 ohm coil is on the left.
What I'm curious about is if the new connection will still be a screw on type or if it will be a bayonet type.
I could see a bayonet type but I suspect it would wear out fairly fast unless the Tank is a top fill.
Eric
I could see a bayonet type but I suspect it would wear out fairly fast unless the Tank is a top fill.
Eric
so you did get your 2.0Ω coils then ??
what do you think of them
do they work good (watt levels ?)
are they also horizontal, and air flow is OK... ?
I think everyone forgets that the iSub comes in the "G" version, which has a 510 removable drip tip. I should know I have two "G" models and the original iSub
The "G" model is well built and has the same easy change coil which seems to last forever, I'm still on my first @ 4mls a day for over a month now! My regular iSub is 7 weeks in but it hasn't been used as much. That big chimney makes them easy to clean, being able to see inside it works out really nice!As far as the TC from Innokin? I'm newer to vaping (May 2015), but I've tried a couple of brands (Aspire, Eleaf) but Innokin is my one and only now. I have 3 iSubs (2 "G"s) of course but I also have two MVP Pro 60w and a iTaste VV (just in case) that have been utterly reliable one for almost 2 months now. I'm the type that once I find a brand that works and will stand up to my clumsiness, then I'm with them till the wheels fall off. The new TC appeals to me but I just got all my gear in the last two months. I'm going to wait until folks here are neck deep in them and I have a resounding "yes it's awesome" or "no, it could be better".
I'm also not too far in on gear that switching to a new connector over the 510 won't kill me. If it works better and is at least as sturdy then I'm in. When I got my first tank that was 510 I thought that skinny little 510 is going to snap with the first stiff breeze that came along. I'm glad I was wrong! That being said, if I had 20 510 tanks laying around I wouldn't be too keen on changing to a new connector.
Unfortunately the upgrades for vaping seem to happen in weeks instead of years. So while I'd like to hop on board the Innokin TC train, I'll wait till everyone is sure it's going to be good enough to warrant switching from what is working so very well for me right now.
Please, please don't let it be another damn screw. Something that just clicks on, I hope. Maybe push down and give it a half turn to secure, like a bayonet light bulb as you say. But preferably push down and it clicks into place automatically, with perhaps a sprung button to release.
Or maybe it doesn't even need a securing/locking mechanism. AC mains plugs just have prongs, and in the UK all plugs use a three prong system (third being either earth, or a dummy plastic prong) which provides an extremely secure fit without needing any locking/unlocking mechanism. In UK mains sockets, the live and neutral sockets are closed off with plastic tabs which only slide open when the third earth/plastic prong, which is fractionally longer, goes in. This is for safety, but I believe the sliding tabs also add some resistance to the system which helps make the plug fit tighter. On some sockets it can take a significant force to pull out the plug and they never come out accidentally.
I am pretty hopeful that they have gone for a non-screw system, because I think we may have seen their solution in action already, albeit briefly. Didn't one of the early Innokin videos show them swapping tanks by some kind of press-down-click type system? The second video I think, the one where they had all the test equipment including the device that automatically detected wire type.
A bayonet system would be wonderful. Provided it's made of decent quality metal, it will offer a much longer lifespan than the typical screw in connector since the main point of failure (mis-threading by the user) will be mostly taken out of the equation.
I really don't get the concern some have with having a new connection system. If it offers enhanced functionality for TC applications (granted, which is only speculation at this point) I don't have a problem at all moving to a new standard. All my old tanks, drippers, etc. will still work on all my old mods. If change is needed to move the TC bar higher, then I'm all for it. Innokin has stated that they will be releasing the specs for the connector so anyone can build a tank/atty with it without the need to license the design from Innokin.
Standards have to change or the market stagnates.
I really don't get the concern some have with having a new connection system. If it offers enhanced functionality for TC applications (granted, which is only speculation at this point) I don't have a problem at all moving to a new standard. All my old tanks, drippers, etc. will still work on all my old mods. If change is needed to move the TC bar higher, then I'm all for it. Innokin has stated that they will be releasing the specs for the connector so anyone can build a tank/atty with it without the need to license the design from Innokin.
Standards have to change or the market stagnates.
That tech looks interesting.
That atomizer looks like dog's balls. The vaping equivalent of lightning bolts shaved into your haircut and a foot long rat tail mullet.
That atomizer looks like dog's balls. The vaping equivalent of lightning bolts shaved into your haircut and a foot long rat tail mullet.
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IMHO, their first step is to proof their TC works well on Ti/Ni wire first, then let us believe Kanthal TC is workable and accurate.
Now not optimistic to fancy too much, they should tell us what's difference from their chip to YIHI and DNA series at least...too less info. in the market, as a fan of TC devices, I need a chance to know their product in near future.
Hopefully, INNOKIN did the new tech. for TC and lead all tanks to a 0 dry burning world. I guess they are a very new beginner on road. The issue is when they came out some new things, other big player definitely will learn and surpass it, this is market, anything is possible.
all in all, pretty expect this tech.
Now not optimistic to fancy too much, they should tell us what's difference from their chip to YIHI and DNA series at least...too less info. in the market, as a fan of TC devices, I need a chance to know their product in near future.
Hopefully, INNOKIN did the new tech. for TC and lead all tanks to a 0 dry burning world. I guess they are a very new beginner on road. The issue is when they came out some new things, other big player definitely will learn and surpass it, this is market, anything is possible.
all in all, pretty expect this tech.
so you did get your 2.0Ω coils then ??
what do you think of them
do they work good (watt levels ?)
are they also horizontal, and air flow is OK... ?
Puf, yes I did get the 2 ohm coils a couple of days ago. They are supposed to be rated for 10-20 watts. I've been vaping them off and on at between 10 and 15 watts, trying to get used to them. They do work and have great flavor, but for me they're just not my cup of tea.
As I mentioned before, the iSub tank has a huge drip tip, which makes it hard to take a normal MTL hit. The only way I could do it was to almost completely close the airflow down. At that point, I could actually vape it and enjoy it, but it does hit harder than the GS Air or Nautilus type hit I am used to. And too hard to vape for long, even though I use a 3 mg juice. I think if you like sub ohm tanks, though, and do lung hits, you'd probably like this atty a lot. It's just not for me.
I didn't realize the G version has a removeable tip - I was one of the Disrupter winners, and they sent me the regular version as an extra because they forgot to include charging cables for some of us. Otherwise, not being a lung hittter, I wouldn't have bought it.
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