Interesting experience with nic content

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I have a most unusual vaping journey that I thought I'd share with the community. Bear with me as this could get long.

About 2 years ago I had 1 single puff on someone's ecig (18mg) and thought "yeah, its ok" then forgot all about it. I was smoking rolling tobacco at the time, about 5-8 cigarettes p/day except on weekend when it was more like 30 p/day.

Around 10 months ago I bought a protank mini 2 starter kit out of curiosity. In Australia you can't buy eliquid with nicotine locally, only 0mg. I couldn't be bothered waiting to import so juice so I just bought some 0mg Mt Baker USA tobacco flavor and gave it a go - it was all about curiosity. I never smoked another cigarette again!

I stuck with 0mg and the protank for about 6 months and completely removed all nicotine from my system. Surprising I had no withdrawal and found it wasn't that hard. After a while I started to get bored of vaping and was using it less and less - it was very airy and not very satisfying at 0mg on a protank. It was like a novelty that wore off. I also got very sick of brand new coils not behaving themselves, leaks, flooding etc.I had numerous hits from friends who had much better equipment than me, and while I found hitting a kayfun was pretty awesome, but I couldn't stand how harsh it always was (usually 12mg or 18mg). After a while curiosity got the better of me and I bought some (100mg/ml) nicotine base and tried mixing up some 3mg juice to see if it was more satisfying. It was so harsh I nearly threw up, and I felt instantly nautilus! I also didn't know that when you mix your own nic you need to leave it for a while and allow the oxidization process to begin, plus my maths may not have been spot on.I put the nic aside and did nothing for a month or so.

A while later curiosity got the better of me, and at some random moment I splashed some cash on a Russian 91% and Segelei ZMAX V3, and some 3mg Mimosa juice from Mt Baker (as well as a few other flavours at 0mg as I was dubious about putting nicotine in my body after the last reaction). I was very impressed at the difference an RTA made, and lost days on end reading about different builds and wicks etc. I also found the 3mg mimosa juice was a lot more satisfying than 0mg juice; I like that after a few puffs I didn't want to go back for more, it was 'enough', although it was still too harsh for my tastes. I mixed and match the juices I bought and found my sweet spot at 1.5mg. I'm still deciding what to make of the fact that I've gone back to nictotine after having none for ages. At the end of the day I like vaping but vaping at 0mg is pretty crappy. Most people used to 6mg or higher would probably taste my juice and say it IS 0mg, but I can certainly tell a big difference between 0mg and 1.5mg.

Fast forward a couple of months and I own 3 RDAs (Magma, N22 & Veritas) and a Luxyoun Smaug 150W. I am total geek vaper, who probably makes a new build every 200 puffs (yes I have a puff counter now lol) just because I'm curious or I come up with a new idea using a different gauge kanthal. I have piles of barely used coils that I don't throw away because they're hardly used, even though I will most likely never attach them again. They're kind of like a scrapbook of my vaping history.

I have now tried mixing my own nic again, and this time I found that 1 drop per 15ml of juice got me to the right dosage, but I need to leave the juice to steep for at least 48 hours after mixing. Using a juice calculator, this seems to equate to only 0.5mg! Perhaps my nic is not actually 100mg/ml?? It doesn't actually have a label specifying this, but I remember from when I bought it (online). The shop I bought it from removed it from their product range a few months after I bought it so now I'm left with no information about it, and I'm a little bit dubious about it. I will post a pic of the bottle tonight and see if someone recognizes it.

So the whole point of the story for me is that I keep reading about people who are planning a cut down from 3mg to 0mg. My suggestion is that A) there is plenty of room to play between 0mg and 3mg and B) 0mg is harder to enjoy for a long period than you might think. For me its like you've barely even exhaled and you're already thinking about taking the next hit - like smoking a very tasty nothing!

So far I'm the only person I know who started at 0mg and has worked upwards!!! Anyone else got a journey like this?
 

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So far I'm the only person I know who started at 0mg and has worked upwards!!! Anyone else got a journey like this?

Dunno about that, but based on this:

Using a juice calculator, this seems to equate to only 0.5mg! Perhaps my nic is not actually 100mg/ml?? It doesn't actually have a label specifying this, but I remember from when I bought it (online). The shop I bought it from removed it from their product range a few months after I bought it so now I'm left with no information about it, and I'm a little bit dubious about it.

It sounds like a nic level testing kit is in order.
 

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That exists? Do you have a link? I was considering just throwing it away and buying something I trust. But first I will post a pic and see if I can trace where I bought it from.

Easy as pie..all you need to do is visit your local pool supply store and buy some .12N sulfuric acid and Bromothymol Blue..same chemicals used to test chlorine in pools.
 

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These two threads should tell you everything you need to know about testing that nic...

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...st-mg-ml-nicotine-follow-up-dvaps-method.html

And the thread that precipitated the above linked thread:
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...2-any-interest-determining-nicotine-dvap.html

ETA: Those threads are stickied at the top of the DIY E-Liquid sub-forum

Thank you very much I will certainly be trying this.

Here are some pictures of my "100mg/ml" nic. Anyone seen or recognise this?
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From memory it cost around $50US (60ml). I can't find it in my Paypal history but will check my credit card statements when I've got some more time.
 
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It's more than likely pure nicotine 99.95% pure its a world of difference than 100mg at 60ml
it would not cost ya 50 bucks you can get that under 10us everywhere but pure will run ya about 50.

Your lucky to be alive and if you mixed for 3 mg you actually mixed 300mg.
I may be wrong but thats a pure nicotine bottle I have seen on a website I ferget the site.. it also says pure on your bottle..

Even breathing in 99.95% pure is dangerous or on your skin, its mixed in a hood in labs down to 100mg and even 100mg is dangerous if breathed..

Yeah do not use a nic test kit on that until you are sure thats not 99.95% pure, do buy the kit tho, you definitely don't wanna play around with pure without proper tooling.

Ol'skol diy guys mix it outside in no wind, with filtered facemask and long rubber gloves. To get 100mg you have to mix it with 540ml..

Whoa...
 

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It's more than likely pure nicotine 99.95% pure its a world of difference than 100mg at 60ml
it would not cost ya 50 bucks you can get that under 10us everywhere but pure will run ya about 50.

Your lucky to be alive and if you mixed for 3 mg you actually mixed 300mg.
I may be wrong but thats a pure nicotine bottle I have seen on a website I ferget the site.. it also says pure on your bottle..

Even breathing in 99.95% pure is dangerous or on your skin, its mixed in a hood in labs down to 100mg and even 100mg is dangerous if breathed..

Yeah do not use a nic test kit on that until you are sure thats not 99.95% pure, do buy the kit tho, you definitely don't wanna play around with pure without proper tooling.

Ol'skol diy guys mix it outside in no wind, with filtered facemask and long rubber gloves. To get 100mg you have to mix it with 540ml..

Whoa...
Not quite. The difference between 100mg/ml and pure is a factor of 10. So his "3mg" was actually 30mg, and his "1.5" is 15mg.

But do be extremely careful handling it. I would suggest diluting the whole thing down to at least 100mg, rinsing out the bottle with PG or VG as you go. You then need to make sure it gets mixed very very thoroughly!
 

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Not quite. The difference between 100mg/ml and pure is a factor of 10. So his "3mg" was actually 30mg, and his "1.5" is 15mg.

But do be extremely careful handling it. I would suggest diluting the whole thing down to at least 100mg, rinsing out the bottle with PG or VG as you go. You then need to make sure it gets mixed very very thoroughly!

:glare: You actually read what I posted :w00t:

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LOl yeah duh math was a good subject even tho it escapes now and then..:confused:

The 540ml mixdown is golden tho I used the calvculator :lol:
 

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You can buy those nic testing kits at ecigexpress.com, for $6.

My experience wasn't exactly like yours, but I also started low -- 6mg -- and worked my way up after I ditched the cigarettes. Now I'm at about 10.5mg, and my juice is currently 8% WTA (reducing it monthly from my previous 10%).

My own dependence on nicotine, you can see, isn't that great, but I never could have made it out of my relapse last summer without WTA. I do have some nic dependence, but most of my real addiction is to the MAOIs -- probably due to my life-long history of clinical depression and anxiety. And that is why I'm reducing the WTA VERY slowly, just dropping one percentage point a month.

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Holy poison batman!!! I am very very very glad I bothered to post this. I do feel lucky to be alive! I have used this pure nicotine with a normal e-juice dropper, initially wearing gloves and later with no gloves (let alone eye protection etc.). The most amazing thing is that is just arrived in the mail from overseas, standard plastic bottle, no warning no nothing! Because of this I felt that it must be safe.

You are all correct, thanks for the warning. No wonder I felt nauseous the first time I mixed with it, it would have been 30mg (for someone who hadn't smoked in months). To be clear on what happened, the 1.5mg I was enjoying was actually 3mg pre-mixed juice diluted with 0mg juice at 50/50.

The ONLY time I've used this pure nicotine and had success with it was 1 drop per 15ml.

So I if I put the 999mg/ml into a juice calculator (is that correct), that means 1 drop per 15ml is actually 3mg juice (assuming that 1ml is 20 drops). Its odd that I find 3mg juice from most vendors is usually too harsh but my '3mg' is just perfect.

I found the purchase history, it came from ecig.com in May 2014 and cost less than my previous estimation, US$34.55. They don't sell it anymore.

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So now I want to dilute this very carefully under very strict conditions, outside!!! Should I mix it with PG or VG? I usually like 70/30 VG/PG juice. So I mix it with 540ml and make it 99mg/ml? I have no intention of making DIY juice, I just want to be able to add nic to pre-mixed 0mg juice.

Isn't it ironic this whole thread was supposed to be about low nicotine content and here I am playing with pure nic?? :facepalm:
 
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But do be extremely careful handling it. I would suggest diluting the whole thing down to at least 100mg, rinsing out the bottle with PG or VG as you go. You then need to make sure it gets mixed very very thoroughly!

I had another thought... When I've used my ~3mg juice that was 1 drop per 15ml, it was overall very good but every now and again I took a hit that seemed especially harsh. It hasn't mixed properly has it?
 

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Punch in 1000mg its 99.95 round it up, some are 99.97
DIY E-Liquid Calculator With Ten Flavors
60ml make 1000mg to 100mg = 54ml nic x10 =540ml

I knew I had seen the bottle before

ya theres a company out of China that sells pure in a clear bottle no label or markings nothing, it looks like a glass water bottle..
Lots of people in countries that do not allow liquid nicotine, they ship to, its all done by email kinda kewl when u need to get off the stinkies but whoa dangerous..
I've contemplated it because of the huge/enormous savings, and it has excellent reviews, they actually make the nic for a popular nic gum.

If you figure your safety and are fine mixing it and you need small purchases again e-liq sells small bottles very inexpensive of pure.

Pure would take a really thorough mixing so ya it was not in full suspension if u didn't mix it crazy like; I mix/shake/warm 100mg for 3 days down to 24mg before use @2-12mg...
 
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