introducing an overeating exsmoker to ecigs? moral?

[jiveman]

I know none of you are doctors, but I'm just looking for feedback on this decision I'm considering..

My father quit smoking analogs about a year ago at the age of 46. He was always about 180 pounds but now eats constantly for the first time in his life. He's up to about 240 pounds or more. He is noticeably larger and I, and other family members, are worried about his health.

It's pretty obvious he replaced nicotine with food, and lots of it.

Here's something I've been thinking about..it doesn't seem right to me, but I am sort of considering it.

He's seen me quit my heavy smoking habit using ecigs, and he's intrigued. I told him not to try it, because it contains nicotine and may throw him off his quit. He was tempted though because he loved the ritual of smoking.

Should I start to maybe pursued him, or at least suggest, he become addicted to nicotine again in order to ease him of this excessive eating? Is this a terrible thing to do? Or is it best to leave it alone and let him try to sort it out some other way.

I know nicotine is far from healthy. It does take a toll on a person's heart and arteries, but he is eating so badly that it may be the best alternative, since nothing else has seemed to work.

He takes my considerations very highly, as he has always respected my opinion on things, and if I were to suggest this to him, it's very likely he'd go for it as he realizes the dangers of his eating habits.

Is nicotine healthier than excessive overeating of unhealthy foods? I would wonder if I'd regret this later, especially if he somehow can't get used to a pv and starts smoking regular cigarettes again..

Should I just let it be?

 

[rosesense]

Why not give him zero nic liquid so he can try vaping but not get back on the nicotine?

 

[spider362]

Make some zero-nic juice of your own using some glycerin (VG) from Walmart or the drug store and some candy/cake flavoring. Thin it down a bit with some distilled water.
He just might be happy seeing the vapor, so you might be able to leave out the flavoring.

Or, if he wants some tobacco flavor, get zero-nic juice somewhere.

 

[Israfil]

Nicotine is about as physically harmful as caffeine. Give me a moment, I've got a living, breathing encyclopedia of medicine in my house. We'll brainstorm.

Ok, based on the combined knowledge of smoking behavior, medicine, and overeating around here we've come up with this info for ya.

The most healthy solution is to get him to switch from eating constantly to eating fruits, raw natural things. This isn't the solution I'd use because it doesn't sound like he'd go for it, but if he will, then it's the healthiest solution.

The other option is, as you said, to get him set up with an ecig. It may be a behavioral problem, where instead of going to light up an analog he eats. If this is the case then it is likely that the problem can be fixed with an ecig. The alternative of heart failure due to high cholesterol or high blood pressure is more dangerous than the nicotine's risks. I would still suggest to him to eat fresh fruits if he can, it'll help him lose that extra weight he put on.

Edit: I should probably add that if you feel it is moral then it is moral. Morals are individual, ethics are societal. So if you're asking if it is ethical then no, nicotine is evil bad naughty... lol

 

[Xanax]

Exercise works you know..

 

[bah-num]

yeah, I agree with rosesense... and I think everyone should carry non-nic juice with them just for that reason. I also think that vaping has to be healthier than ingesting thousands of extra calories for no reason.
I've found my food intake to be much less (read: much healthier) than it was when I was smoking... and I was the kind of guy who could polish off a whole bag of chips or package of Oreo cookies in a sitting. I don't do that crap anymore... I just grab my PV and have a couple vapes

 

[potholerepairman]

introducing an overeating exsmoker to ecigs? moral?
My take is its moral 100% .Your actions and thoughts are pure.

Would I do it is another story, the idea of me getting someone who use to smoke to vape is tough.Sure you know the man, and trying to get others to eat or exercise to your or any healthy level is fruitless most of the time.The best I have ever done is to teach others to enjoy eating healthy and as much as they want of healthy.Of course I dont do that all the time either.There could be some good come out of picking up a vape but the down side is the picking up of the nonvape, in my mind.Good luck.

 

[jude8753]

I gave my Bill my old 510's and mixed him up some 0 nic juice and he loves blowing smoke rings and seeing the vapor, he now no longer chews tobacco or smokes his occasional cigar and he no longer talks about going back to smoking cigs and he's delighted I stopped smoking.

 

[Mr.Self_Destruct]

zero nic food flavored juices. Maybe snickerdoodle or something.

 

[CJsKee]

I would suggest that you and your Dad do some research to ascertain the TRUTH about nicotine and vaping (and smoking) and let him make the decision himself. A good place to start is FORCES International - THE EVIDENCE ARCHIVE. Another good source is Tobaccoharmreduction.org. The anti tobacco forces have so brainwashed so many that the real truth is very hard to find.

 

[cozzicon]

I dunno...

One of the problems I had coming off cigarettes without vaping was the reduced quality of life because of a very deep addiction to nicotine, dependence on the anti-depressant chems in tobacco, and the horrible black depression that followed. The depression was far worse on Chantix- even if it did kill my desire for nicotine.

Knowing what I know- I suppose if the ex smoker was suffering for a long period of time I would mention vaping.

Some of the smokers I know had successfully quit for a year or more only to go back because, for what it's worth, they were emotionally suffering or marginally functional.

That is the ..... of the tobacco demon.

So I would say if there is no other way- recommend the e-cig. But we all know that addiction is second best to anything.

 

[VaporPhreak]

Personal opinion warning!

Ok on subject of if it is moral or ethical to get him onto an ecig. Well, ethics are BS anyway as they are dependant on the group who establishes them. So toss the idea of ethics out the windows for purposes of this conversation. Now, is it moral? Only you can answer this. But first, let me give you this bit of insight. Its all about intention and not the deed itself. For instance, if I pull out a gun and put a bullet into a guys skull, ethically its always wrong. However, if say that same guy was in the act of raping a woman at the time then MORALLY I am justified as that is a far worse crime to me. So stop and ask yourself, would you rather help him stop overeating and take up vaping a liquid containing no nicotine or sit ideally by and watch him eat himself into cardiac arrest? Which of those options is more morally sound to you? Just my 2 cents.

 

[keyzygirl]

I say go with no nic and let him try it.Plus it will give you something to do together.Like looking for flavors or trying different units.Might be good for both of you.

 

[jiveman]

thanks everyone for you input.

i think i'll hook him up with a 510 kit with some flavors he'll enjoy. zero nic. like a lot of you suggested. i'll just say it's something for him to try if he feels like snacking (or feasting i should say lol) maybe on its own, the taste of the flavors will give him some replacement pleasure and satisfy any oral fixations haha

i think he would actually enjoy the vaping experience, especially since we'll have something in common. we're not as close now that i moved out last year.

i'll give it a shot, and since he's sort of entering a depressed/weary/sedentary mood lately (suspect it's the lack of nicotine this past year) he may very well make the decision to switch to nic juices. i'll let him do that on his own so i don't have any guilt involved in my persuasions haha

thank you guys, i feel a little better about taking this route with him now.

 

[Kate51]

My brother-in-law gained 100lbs. He quit smoking over 5 years ago, and still using food for his crutch. Plus, aging does seem to have an influence. He always asks me why I'm still 'sucking' on my PV, but so far I've held my tongue; I really didn't want to gain a 100#, personally!
Maybe he doesn't need anything but some good tasting "0"nic juice to puff on. But I wouldn't introduce nicotine to him again. Maybe a nice pipe model if he's inclined. But really, some good aged cheeses, in moderation gives the same effect, and it may just be he needs to be more careful what he eats and how much. There's a lot of ways to cut calories and carbs and fats without starving.
But for myself I would hate to give up my e-cig, nicotine or not. I probably would gain weight too, just out of boredom mostly.

 

[Peeps]

I quit smoking and gained weight until I found ecigs. I now vape instead of eat...it's awesome!

 

[firefox335]

I'm with everybody else. I think zero nic is the way to go. It would give him the ritual without the "chemical addiction."

 

[Lemon-aid]

I think the 0 nic is a great idea. Get him a bunch of dessert flavor samples and let him enjoy all the flavor of junk food without any of the guilt.

Once hes lost some weight maybe make a weekly jogging date together. Being a dad myself I bet part of his depression is not seeing you as often for the last year and Im sure he would take you up on the jogging or some other form of exercise.

 

[THE]

Jiverock... What I have read has told me that you'd have to gain 80lbs to harm yourself as much as cigarette smoking does.

That said, I have no idea how that equates to nicotine use without the 3000 chemicals in cigarettes.

I do know that nicotine addiction, even YEARS later can be reawakened in a HEARTBEAT. So don't let him have ANY nicotine until you do alot of research and you're SURE you want to use it as an appetite suppressant..

At first glance, I'd say ... 60lbs vs. Nicotine minus the 3000 chemicals = 60lbs is worse.

Whatever you decide will not ever be IMMORAL. You are concerned for his well being and your intent is to help him NOT to harm him. That is absolutely not immoral. Neither will be anything you try to do to help the man.

Just put alot of thought into it. Weigh the pros and cons. BEFORE you decide to help re-establish any smoking behavior .. and especially before reawakening nicotine addiction

I have no idea, but, for example would there be any alternative appetite suppressants???

 

[Kate51]

Exactly what most Doctors will tell you...quitting smoking is GOOD!
Now you need to lose some of that weight, it's BAD.
And round and round we go.
And sometimes we even consult with a Doctor for help!
¶ Some interesting reading from Vocalek, regarding nicotine cessation.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...r-smoking-nicotine-cessation.html#post1679380