Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?

[mmikee]

Phrases like "all Chinese mods are cheap junk" sound to me like justification for an "expensive" mod.
Phrases like " I can get 5 for the price of 1" sound to me like justification for a "inexpensive" mod.
Belittling others for what they like, even if the other person does it first, renders your point invalid to most people reading these threads.

 

[spartanstew]

Phrases like "all Chinese mods are cheap junk" sound to me like justification for an "expensive" mod.
Phrases like " I can get 5 for the price of 1" sound to me like justification for a "inexpensive" mod.

Although to stick with the current theme/request, one of those is a fact and the other is an opinion.

 

[mmikee]

Either way, they are both rude.........

 

[DPLongo22]

It's definitly not something an Harley rider would be seen sucking on

Does that not depend on the Harley rider?

 

[Tangaroav]

Either way, they are both rude.........

It is fact that you can get 6 MVP's for the projected price of the P3.

It is not rude to say it. It is called being factual. And yes, it is justification for a buying decision, when as was mentionned earlier, value for money is an important factor.

 

[DPLongo22]

I have no control over the way in which you interpret things. IMO, Provari's are a niche product (within a Niche category). As are Oppo Blu Ray players, Bakon Vodka, and Blackberry at one time.

Almost all products are niche, in some way or another. Some are wildly successful, others are not. To date it's fair to say that Provape has been a fair-to-significant success. Given the infancy of the vaping market, it's reasonable to speculate that they will likely continue on a similar path, regardless of their power limit.

Put it this way, if they were a public company, I'd be buying.

 

[spartanstew]

Almost all products are niche, in some way or another. Some are wildly successful, others are not. To date it's fair to say that Provape has been a fair-to-significant success. Given the infancy of the vaping market, it's reasonable to speculate that they will likely continue on a similar path, regardless of their power limit.

Sure, I can agree with most of that.

I also don't have anything against Provape and want them to succeed. I don't own one, but I've thought about it many times. Since they're a private company, I (we) also don't know what their revenue is and how that's changed over time. Is their revenue increasing at the same rate as the e-cig industry is? Don't know, but if I had to guess, I would say No. Perhaps, however, they're content with their current revenue stream and have no interest in rapid growth (and the problems that can incur with such). I do think that if they were interested in expanding their customer base (to match the industry), they should have added at least 10 watts to their device (and a couple of other things). There are ways around the 18350 limit (as has been mentioned before), if that was the reason (as has been speculated).

Blackberry is still a profitable company too (which people forget). In fact, their revenue in Q1 2014 was 100Million (I'd take that). They did fail to change, when change was evident, however, and it costs them a significant portion of their market share.

The P3 looks like a very solid device, but is Provape failing to make changes that many other manufacturers are? Yes. Will that be detrimental to their business, and cost them part of their market share? I don't know, that's why there's this discussion.

 

[DPLongo22]

It is fact that you can get 6 MVP's for the projected price of the P3.

It is not rude to say it. It is called being factual. And yes, it is justification for a buying decision, when as was mentionned earlier, value for money is an important factor.

I guess what continues to intrigue me is that relatively large number of people who:

a: don't like what Provape is, or where they're going, and -
b: have absolutely no intention of buying one, and -
c: can quickly rattle off all their reasons for feeling the way they do, yet -

- continue to come into Provari threads to "discuss" stuff.

Conversely, similar thoughts NEVER occur to me. For instance, I can't stand Reos. They are absolutely worthless to me. I had one and quickly sold it off. That being said, I don't think they're bad mods, just bad for me. And the thought to go play in their sandbox has never once crossed my mind.

People like them. Excellent. Rob seems like a real nice guy and I'm glad they're in business. I just don't want another one.

Yet it seems like every day these threads get littered up with people who feel compelled to state their opinions opposing Provari. Do you REALLY THINK you're going to change someone's mind, if they're already set to liking something?

The only other possibility is that these people secretly all really want a Provari, and are simply upset that Provape didn't build their devices to specs that they feel are acceptable.

So which is it? Hope & Change or Pure Envy?

Moving on...

 

[spartanstew]

And the thought to go play in their sandbox has never once crossed my mind.

This discussion is taking place in the Variable Voltage Discussion Forum.

 

[DPLongo22]

This discussion is taking place in the Variable Voltage Discussion Forum.

Fair point - and one taken. I told you I was cranky today.

 

[Pinggolfer]

Keep in mind the zmax cost 39$ : $39.58 Authentic Sigelei Zmax Mini Variable Voltage/Wattage Mod - 1*18350 / 510&eGo threading at FastTech - Worldwide Free Shipping . So if you buy the new model every year, it will be 2022 before you spent the money your Provari model 2014 cost you. No contest IMO

Not to upset the apple cart but the so called Authentic Zmax is a piece of junk. I can go online and buy a set of Ping knock off clubs for $200.00, which I know are junk or I can spend $800 on a set of real Ping Irons. You get what you pay for and lets be honest here we are talking about a $200.00 My cell phone cost over $500.00, how many of you are using smart phone clones? This is not a money issue but it's been turned into a I am better then you issue which is a joke considering all the money we spent on cigarettes.

 

[Tangaroav]

I guess what continues to intrigue me is that relatively large number of people who:

a: don't like what Provape is, or where they're going, and -
b: have absolutely no intention of buying one, and -
c: can quickly rattle off all their reasons for feeling the way they do, yet -

- continue to come into Provari threads to "discuss" stuff.

Conversely, similar thoughts NEVER occur to me. For instance, I can't stand Reos. They are absolutely worthless to me. I had one and quickly sold it off. That being said, I don't think they're bad mods, just bad for me. And the thought to go play in their sandbox has never once crossed my mind.

People like them. Excellent. Rob seems like a real nice guy and I'm glad they're in business. I just don't want another one.

Yet it seems like every day these threads get littered up with people who feel compelled to state their opinions opposing Provari. Do you REALLY THINK you're going to change someone's mind, if they're already set to liking something?

The only other possibility is that these people secretly all really want a Provari, and are simply upset that Provape didn't build their devices to specs that they feel are acceptable.

So which is it? Hope & Change or Pure Envy?

Moving on...

I will not buy a Provari as they have only one model and it not what I am looking for. They are nice vaporizers but way too expensive for what they do, (IMO needless to say). If Provari would offer the P3 at a price point that I felt was worth my money I may buy one, or I may not.

There are many aspects of the P's that are very good. But as a vaping instrument it is not good value for MY money.


I am a new Reoville citizen. IMO this is one of the best value for money on the market today. For my requiremetns, it may offers the best vaping experience, but I need more time to confirm this. I would not mind at all if someone gave his negative opinion and justifications concerning Reos. Quite the contrary, I would find it useful in my search for the perfect vape and would not attack or be defensive about it.

 

[BlueSnake]

Sure, I can agree with most of that.

I also don't have anything against Provape and want them to succeed. I don't own one, but I've thought about it many times. Since they're a private company, I (we) also don't know what their revenue is and how that's changed over time. Is their revenue increasing at the same rate as the e-cig industry is? Don't know, but if I had to guess, I would say No. Perhaps, however, they're content with their current revenue stream and have no interest in rapid growth (and the problems that can incur with such). I do think that if they were interested in expanding their customer base (to match the industry), they should have added at least 10 watts to their device (and a couple of other things). There are ways around the 18350 limit (as has been mentioned before), if that was the reason (as has been speculated).

Blackberry is still a profitable company too (which people forget). In fact, their revenue in Q1 2014 was 100Million (I'd take that). They did fail to change, when change was evident, however, and it costs them a significant portion of their market share.

The P3 looks like a very solid device, but is Provape failing to make changes that many other manufacturers are? Yes. Will that be detrimental to their business, and cost them part of their market share? I don't know, that's why there's this discussion.

The problem is that discussing this type of thing in a forum isn't real life. The vast majority of vapors will never vape above 15 watts and that's really on the high side. The average vapor doesn't know what an ohm or watt is or what any of it means. The average vapor just wants a device that works, is dependable, and isn't too complicated. I can tell you that even the average vapor that know nothing about vaping have heard of Provari. All they might know is that it is expensive and a quality piece of vaping equipment. The average vapor doesn't know how or want to build anything. They just want to vape.

If you think the future of vaping is 50, 100, or 200 watts, think again. High watts and low ohms are the niche and aren't going anywhere.

When you spend lots of time on a forum you get a warped sense of reality. The vast number of vapors don't do that and don't care about any of the stuff we talk about or read about everyday.

All that being said, I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hello that Provari or any other of the major recognizeable brand names in vaping become irrelevant unless government regulations make everything but cig a likes irrelevant.

 

[spartanstew]

The problem is that discussing this type of thing in a forum isn't real life. The vast majority of vapors will never vape above 15 watts and that's really on the high side. The average vapor doesn't know what an ohm or watt is or what any of it means. The average vapor just wants a device that works, is dependable, and isn't too complicated. I can tell you that even the average vapor that know nothing about vaping have heard of Provari. All they might know is that it is expensive and a quality piece of vaping equipment. The average vapor doesn't know how or want to build anything. They just want to vape.

If you think the future of vaping is 50, 100, or 200 watts, think again. High watts and low ohms are the niche and aren't going anywhere.

Apparently, you mis-read what I wrote.

I never said 50 or 100 watts was the future of vaping (although there's a chance). I do think that +20 watts is. The average vaper can go to a B&M right now and buy pre-built coils that can be used at 26 watts. It has nothing to do with cloud chasing or building your own coils, but for some reason, you (and others) keep bringing that up.

Kanger, Aspire and many others will have dual and triple and quad coil heads to be used at over 20 watts (for more flavor and vapor) by years end. These coils will be mass produced and sold in every B&M (and online) around the world. They'll fit in tanks that folks already have, but you won't be able to use them on a Provari (and many other devices) to achieve the desired results. That's shortsighted, IMO, especially for a device that's been so long in the works.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

Put it this way, if they were a public company, I'd be buying.

Well, the sad fact about human greed as expressed through stock speculation is that Provape would prolly not be the best stock play in the vaping sector. VaporShark would be better - more upside.

They're not as established, have shown rapid growth, and appear not to have peaked. Do they make as much revenue? Don't know, not relevant to an investment decision, as stock speculation is based on deltas from today (future worth). Do they make a quality device? Sounds like it - good enough for an investor. Do they have a better chance of increased adoption? Yup... by the sounds of it, and that's the rub - stocks are a speculation game.

I've worked for major companies that were hugely profitable going concerns whose stocks were flat because the projected growth wasn't there.

Provape feels like it's not going to 5X its revenue with the P3. VaporShark might. Now, that's not to criticize you and others who like the Provari (I have 2 of them myself and appreciate them immensely) - it's just to put a clinical business perspective in the mix; to separate the product (and emotional association) from the company. The OP (I thought) was posing a question about the latter. Some of the commenters in here have that hat on, others do not (both for and against).

 

[Nuclear Cowboy]

If you think the future of vaping is 50, 100, or 200 watts, think again. High watts and low ohms are the niche and aren't going anywhere.

I'm not so sure that I'd agree with that. Most of the shops I visit these day's have about as many RDA's on the shelves as RTA's and the new thing seems to be tank top models. Most of the new model PV's coming out are higher wattage and very few people are talking VV anymore. With all the new high powered controlled devices coming on the market these day's I think people aren't as intimidated about it as they use to be. I'm not saying any of this to be argumentative but I do believe that niche market is going mainstream. I do see higher power as the future of vaping. That said, only time will tell.

Will there still be a market for a high quality device like a Provari? I think so. That P3 looks like a winner to me. I'll buy one if they aren't too proud of them. $200, probably yes. $250-$300 like has been mentioned, no.

 

[DPLongo22]

I will not buy a Provari as they have only one model and it not what I am looking for. They are nice vaporizers but way too expensive for what they do, (IMO needless to say). If Provari would offer the P3 at a price point that I felt was worth my money I may buy one, or I may not.

There are many aspects of the P's that are very good. But as a vaping instrument it is not good value for MY money.

I am a new Reoville citizen. IMO this is one of the best value for money on the market today. For my requiremetns, it may offers the best vaping experience, but I need more time to confirm this. I would not mind at all if someone gave his negative opinion and justifications concerning Reos. Quite the contrary, I would find it useful in my search for the perfect vape and would not attack or be defensive about it.

Well, still having no idea what the price point will be, I refrain from judgment there. I won't even consider buying one until (at least one of) my V2's spit the bit. And even then I may simply choose to have it repaired, since I REALLY like the V2 and it's no longer in production.

As for my opinions/experiences with the Reo, they're truly worthless (outside of this particular chair I'm sitting in). If you're liking the vape, then it's perfect for you. And any attempt to sway your opinion would be truly idiotic. Besides, why would someone else care what YOU like? One of my kids LOVES her Evods, and I'd never dream of telling her that she shouldn't. Vape away, sweetie (I'm speaking to her there, not you ;-) ).

Reos are obviously EXCELLENT devices since they wouldn't have the following they do if that were not true. But even the most excellent device (channeling Bill & Ted here) won't satisfy everyone.

 

[DPLongo22]

Well, the sad fact about human greed as expressed through stock speculation is that Provape would prolly not be the best stock play in the vaping sector. VaporShark would be better - more upside.

They're not as established, have shown rapid growth, and appear not to have peaked. Do they make as much revenue? Don't know, not relevant to an investment decision, as stock speculation is based on deltas from today (future worth). Do they make a quality device? Sounds like it - good enough for an investor. Do they have a better chance of increased adoption? Yup... by the sounds of it, and that's the rub - stocks are a speculation game.

I've worked for major companies that were hugely profitable going concerns whose stocks were flat because the projected growth wasn't there.

Provape feels like it's not going to 5X its revenue with the P3. VaporShark might. Now, that's not to criticize you and others who like the Provari (I have 2 of them myself and appreciate them immensely) - it's just to put a clinical business perspective in the mix; to separate the product (and emotional association) from the company. The OP (I thought) was posing a question about the latter. Some of the commenters in here have that hat on, others do not (both for and against).

I wasn't analyzing vape company against vape company. My thoughts are more along the lines of the fairly reasonable expectations of market growth (as a whole). If there were public companies, I'd probably be looking to cash in more than one.

I'm also not saying that Provape is the beat-all, end-all. But they have already proven capable of running a fairly large-scale production facility in what I expect is a profitable way.

As stated previously, I'd be buying. And if VaporShark were public, I'd likely be buying THEIRS too.

 

[Papa_Lazarou]

I wasn't analyzing vape company against vape company. My thoughts are more along the lines of the fairly reasonable expectations of market growth (as a whole). If there were public companies, I'd probably be looking to cash in more than one.

I'm also not saying that Provape is the beat-all, end-all. But they have already proven capable of running a fairly large-scale production facility in what I expect is a profitable way.

As stated previously, I'd be buying. And if VaporShark were public, I'd likely be buying THEIRS too.

I could get behind that strategy, with Provape being the blue chip in the portfolio. Especially if they were a dividend stock - basically, profit sharing.

I guess part of what I was getting at was the emotional quotient to this discussion (not from you) - makes it harder to delineate passion from logic, but hey, makes a hella good read, no?

 

[DPLongo22]

I could get behind that strategy, with Provape being the blue chip in the portfolio. Especially if they were a dividend stock - basically, profit sharing.

I guess part of what I was getting at was the emotional quotient to this discussion (not from you) - makes it harder to delineate passion from logic, but hey, makes a hella good read, no?

Heck YEAH!

And I think I (unfortunately) contributed significantly to the emotional quotient you referred to, earlier today. It happens.

If that's the worst thing I do this week... forget it. I already know that it WON'T be the worst thing I do this week, so the point is moot.