Is Provape in danger of becoming like Blackberry?

[Ms82082]

Hmm -- and there's a fool with double stack 18650 batteries who's using .0? ohms, holding his device with a dirty rag and bragging with a child's crib in the background. Just because someone is doing it doesn't make it sane.

I see that many sub ohm vapers are so called upgrading to regulated devices these days. I guess they got tired of hot pockets and venting and near venting batteries. I imagine that thrill gets old after awhile.

Perhaps it's about time for someone to reverse this lower and lower and lower ohm trend and build a higher ohm coil that suits the needs of the super low ohm crowd. The invention of the micro-coil did so for many---but that's "old news" now. I'm sure it could be done if someone was inventive.

Good luck re-inventing the wheel... The magic coil thing doesn't and won't exist.

 

[tearose50]

If you only knew how many times I've heard that sentiment ---

One of my favorites was the Comcast computer -- it was state of the art. No way could technology get smaller. Software industry was the only future for computers.

We'd never be able to put a man on the moon either. Of course, some people still believe it was a hoax.

Can't a gal dream?

 

[suspectK]

We're using resistance wire...only so much can be done with it...heating. Micro-coils do increase performance, but they really show how much better they are than standard coils at higher wattages.

 

[maraud]

Have you cleaned the threads with alcohol? Have you tried stretching the spring? What 18490 batteries are you using?

Yes I cleaned off the dielectric grease and checked the spring. It literally works flawlessly with a 1/8 turn to the left (unscrew) but is DOA screwed all the way in. Provape already wrote back with the same advice. Don't get me wrong. I still love this thing but that small defect is annoying given the cost. With all I've read about the company though I have no doubt they'll take care of it - or teach me what i am doing wrong.

 

[stevegmu]

Pro Vape is doomed imo. Who wants a gimped and very limited device for the price we can buy 2 100w devices for? I am sure there is a quality difference but not enough to validate the extreme prices. Like buying a Ferrari and opening the hood to find a yugo engine under the hood. China manufacturing will win out in the end unfortunately but if provape made a device more people wanted they would be fine....

I wouldn't want or use 10 of such devices, even if they were free...

 

[stevegmu]

Yes I cleaned off the dielectric grease and checked the spring. It literally works flawlessly with a 1/8 turn to the left (unscrew) but is DOA screwed all the way in. Provape already wrote back with the same advice. Don't get me wrong. I still love this thing but that small defect is annoying given the cost. With all I've read about the company though I have no doubt they'll take care of it - or teach me what i am doing wrong.

Are you using AW IMR batteries?

 

[Katdarling]

No 20 watts is a joke lowest I use is around 34 in my fogger v4 @ .4 ohms. I use mechanical mods because of the Watt limitations of most devices. Now I do think it's great that safer regulated Vapeing can now be done with the newer higher power devices! I can't wait to use one mod for all my needs its all subjective but many in the Vape world are buying higher power devices and using Sub ohm coils. DNA and yihi style devices allows for much wider coverage of all types of vapors.

For you, Ms, and any others, of course...

I see that you use a 34w in a fogger with a .4Ω coil setup, and my question is simple: Why? What is your vape style? Does it in some way mimic the way you smoked? I'm truly kurious. Was it an initial intention to vape as an alternative to smoking and/or did it transform the activity into another realm? I really wish I did understand the whole concept of low ohming it and producing weather systems. I have tried numerous vapes with those types of setups and it's been consistently not only unsatisfying, but downright uncomfortable.

I'm sticking with my $279, since Kat already let it out of the bag. Kat let the cat out of the... oh, never mind.

And yes, "doomed" they certainly are.

For sure.

No doubt.

Bag? BAG? No bags allowed here in Kali. Welp, you can have one, but it'll cost ya 10 cents.

And...... we should all be so "doomed".

 

[AnsonJames]

Pro Vape is doomed imo. Who wants a gimped and very limited device for the price we can buy 2 100w devices for? I am sure there is a quality difference but not enough to validate the extreme prices. Like buying a Ferrari and opening the hood to find a yugo engine under the hood. China manufacturing will win out in the end unfortunately but if provape made a device more people wanted they would be fine....

Provape still sells a ton of Provari' 2.5's despite only being a 15 watt device - weird eh?

You seem to be under the impression that there are more sub ohmers than lower voltage/wattage users - it's quite the opposite.

 

[The Ocelot]

About price .... I just don't get why Provape is adding a second layer of profit takers by limiting sales to its dealers.

Is it not a 'slap in the face' to its original clients ?

Would a beta phase have been really a lot more productive with experienced users feedback that normaly buy through the web ? How good can a beta phase through dealerships that deal mostly with newer vapers ? ( except commercial information from the dealers ).

Looks to me that it is NOT a real beta phase and that Provape is not looking to test/improve the P3 . What the P3 is today is what the P3 will be.

Those who want different specifications will have to wait for the P4. That is if Provape survives the ANTZ storm . I truly hope it does.

edit: Price prediction: 250 $ with many blems sales to boost demand.

My guess is the "dealers only" will just be a limited run of the satin silver, when the colors are released they will be on the ProVape site.

 

[DPLongo22]

My guess is the "dealers only" will just be a limited run of the satin silver, when the colors are released they will be on the ProVape site.

Which is precisely when I will be in trouble.

Well, as long as they don't do a black one I'll be perfectly fine.

Chubby chance of that...

 

[The Ocelot]

Which is precisely when I will be in trouble.

Well, as long as they don't do a black one I'll be perfectly fine.

Chubby chance of that...

Lol! You know da black be comin'.

 

[DPLongo22]

Lol! You know da black be comin'.

Please, TO! Allow me my denial while I can still have it.

 

[The Ocelot]

Please, TO! Allow me my denial while I can still have it.

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I fear Zen.

I've heard he's working on new colors.

 

[Rossum]

I found out yesterday that Provape has realized just how inadequate the P3 is and has has already shipped some P4 prototypes:

 

[DPLongo22]

I fear Zen.

I've heard he's working on new colors.

Ruh-roh. Finding a hole to crawl into...

I found out yesterday that Provape has realized just how inadequate the P3 is and has has already shipped some P4 prototypes:

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's GREAT!

 

[Baditude]

It is fact that you can get 6 MVP's for the projected price of the P3.

It is not rude to say it. It is called being factual. And yes, it is justification for a buying decision, when as was mentionned earlier, value for money is an important factor.

Everyone has different criteria for defining "value".

I have an MVP. Its a great value for the money. It performs nearly as well as my Provari, although it has noticeable voltage sag towards the end of its battery charge. The Provari has no such voltage sag; its last puff will be as good as the first.

I happen to prefer the tube form over a box format. That's a personal preference, and also factors into what I consider value. I use one of my Provari's every day; my MVP is collecting dust.

Although a well built and relatively durable device compared to most Chinese-made mods, the MVP is nowhere near as well built and durable as my Provari. If I should happen to drop my MVP on the sidewalk out of clumsiness, or should it fall into a mud puddle, I'm quite sure the MVP would be toast. With the Provari, I have no reason to fear that the Provari would be ruined for life. Even should it be broken, I know it can be fixed for a reasonable fee and be returned to me within a weeks time.

I'm not the type who likes to keep replacing tools when they break or dysfunction, no matter how inexpensive they are to replace. I prefer to buy quality which will last me what I consider to be a reasonable amount of time. An MVP, just because of its non-replaceable battery, is a disposable device that will need to be replaced within 2 years time. I expect my Provari to last me at least a decade. (Yes, I'm basically a simple vapor and a Provari in its current technology serves me well now and will continue to for the next 10 years.)

A company who stands behind its product for life is value to me. Once an MVP dies, its an expensive paperweight. That's a limited and short-term value despite its inexpensive price.

So, to sum up, to me a Provari offers better long term "value" than any other VV mod on the market. To others, what I most consider "value" may not be the same to them, and that's perfectly fine. Spend your money as you wish.

 

[Ms82082]

Provape still sells a ton of Provari' 2.5's despite only being a 15 watt device - weird eh?

You seem to be under the impression that there are more sub ohmers than lower voltage/wattage users - it's quite the opposite.

Nope I think there are a wide variety of vapors out there. A 15 Watt device only appeals to some as where a device that has a range of 7 to 100 or 50 has a much greater flexibility to reach all types of vapors. what if you want to try something new isn't it nice that you won't have to buy another device to do so?

 

[Ms82082]

For you, Ms, and any others, of course...

I see that you use a 34w in a fogger with a .4Ω coil setup, and my question is simple: Why? What is your vape style? Does it in some way mimic the way you smoked? I'm truly kurious. Was it an initial intention to vape as an alternative to smoking and/or did it transform the activity into another realm? I really wish I did understand the whole concept of low ohming it and producing weather systems. I have tried numerous vapes with those types of setups and it's been consistently not only unsatisfying, but downright uncomfortable.






Bag? BAG? No bags allowed here in Kali. Welp, you can have one, but it'll cost ya 10 cents.

And...... we should all be so "doomed".

Flavor! Nothing at low power will comes close to the flavor of a well built Rba or rta. If you find the vapor to strong lower your nic levels that's where most of the throat and chest hit comes from. So I now Vape because I enjoy it and enjoy getting the best from my equipment Is always my goal

As for Sub ohm. I Sub ohm because I use a mechanical mod and the only way to turn up power is to turn down resistance. If I had a device that had a regulated device capable of the power I use I would build higher coils for more surface area(maybe lol).

 

[Mart]

Everyone has different criteria for defining "value".

I have an MVP. Its a great value for the money. It performs nearly as well as my Provari, although it has noticeable voltage sag towards the end of its battery charge. The Provari has no such voltage sag; its last puff will be as good as the first.

I happen to prefer the tube form over a box format. That's a personal preference, and also factors into what I consider value. I use one of my Provari's every day; my MVP is collecting dust.

Although a well built and relatively durable device compared to most Chinese-made mods, the MVP is nowhere near as well built and durable as my Provari. If I should happen to drop my MVP on the sidewalk out of clumsiness, or should it fall into a mud puddle, I'm quite sure the MVP would be toast. With the Provari, I have no reason to fear that the Provari would be ruined for life. Even should it be broken, I know it can be fixed for a reasonable fee and be returned to me within a weeks time.

I'm not the type who likes to keep replacing tools when they break or dysfunction, no matter how inexpensive they are to replace. I prefer to buy quality which will last me what I consider to be a reasonable amount of time. An MVP, just because of its non-replaceable battery, is a disposable device that will need to be replaced within 2 years time. I expect my Provari to last me at least a decade. (Yes, I'm basically a simple vapor and a Provari in its current technology serves me well now and will continue to for the next 10 years.)

A company who stands behind its product for life is value to me. Once an MVP dies, its an expensive paperweight. That's a limited and short-term value despite its inexpensive price.

So, to sum up, to me a Provari offers better long term "value" than any other VV mod on the market. To others, what I most consider "value" may not be the same to them, and that's perfectly fine. Spend your money as you wish.

Couldn't agree with you more!
Got my Provari last week, and it is rock solid, unlike the Vamo I have, which has fallen apart pretty much electrically without much use.
Another total waste of money was the E-mode. Pure garbage!

 

[vapero]

For you, Ms, and any others, of course...

I see that you use a 34w in a fogger with a .4Ω coil setup, and my question is simple: Why? What is your vape style? Does it in some way mimic the way you smoked? I'm truly kurious. Was it an initial intention to vape as an alternative to smoking and/or did it transform the activity into another realm? I really wish I did understand the whole concept of low ohming it and producing weather systems. I have tried numerous vapes with those types of setups and it's been consistently not only unsatisfying, but downright uncomfortable.






Bag? BAG? No bags allowed here in Kali. Welp, you can have one, but it'll cost ya 10 cents.

And...... we should all be so "doomed".

the problem with all provari love/hate threads is the same always...
the fans want to prove you that the provari is the end all device for everything
and the haters love to point out it's limitations and tell the fans that there is a better device.

but the bottom line is it is stupid to use a prius on a F1 race, the same as using a F1 race car just to get your kids to school

there is no better device overall, just a better device for your specific needs
and provari is catering to a well defined market and NOT EVERY market.

I don't like provari but that is just my personal opinion as I want other things that provape won't do it for me