Is the 510 REALLY the be all end all of e-cigs?!?

[BiffRocko]

Now THAT fits the bill perfectly. I was just tired of the 510 Elitism. It is no better, and to some no worse than other similar models.

I've never actually used a 510 battery. All my attys have been 510 except for my first crappy PV that I returned after a week of owning it. It taught me that the most important factor to me was not running out of batteries like I did on my second day of vaping on which I smoked 7 analogs. (The day after, when I bought a pass through, I stopped analogs completely.) That's why the eGo variants are my first recommendation.

I still buy everything with battery life as a priority feature. If I can't get more than half a day of vaping from one charge, it's not for me.

 

[LowThudd]

I agree that you don't suggest a mini to someone that doesn't care about size. I agree not to recommend a 510 to someone that "needs" an auto, however I have yet to actually come across anyone that prefers an auto to a manual after using both. For that reason, I recommend manuals, as I want their first experience to be as good as possible.

Well, I started on sound activated autos, and hated them. I only loved my 510 for a week, because of the fact that it was better than the xhaleo2 from 7-11 and had two batts instead of one and a PT. I was opposed to the idea of manual batts. I thought it was stupid to have to push a button to "smoke". Then the eGo kits went from $80 to $50 overnight, and I decided I just had to try one. I get the eGo, and I quickly adjusted to using the button. However, there is a certain "mechanical" feeling I get from using a manual. I don't mind it when I need a quick fix, and truely it was the eGo that convinced me I didn't want any more cigs, rather than the e-cig being for "smoking" indoors. But, that mechanical effect isn't always desirable, and the size isn't always desirable. I love my KR8 and especially my SmokeStiks for when I just want to kick back and "smoke" and enjoy the wonderfull flavors. Does it make more vapor than my eGo w/ mega atty..mmm, no. Does it make about as much vapor as I need for a good satisfying experience? Yes. Makes at least as much vapor as an eGo w/ a 510 atty. The higher voltage(actually, technically it is the higher wattage), and I like the cartos. They are easy to fill, and they work well. That being said, I prefere an auto, but sometimes the eGo fits the bill beter. Wether it is for batt life, 2.5 ml cart, and(now that I am used to it) that "mechanical" feeling when I just want to get a fix. So, yes I prefere autos. And no, I won't be buying an auto eGo because I hate sound activated switches.

 

[DC2]

I said "model" not mod. Most people who start on a 510 end up moving on to a eGo or some other PV. My only reason(and the only thing on my mind) is that I am tired of so many people telling newbies that the 510 is the "best" e-cig. It is one thing to say "this is what I prefer" , but that is a far cry from the 510 groupies saying it is the "standard when it comes to e-cigs", or "it is the best e-cig to start with" etc...The past week I have been reading that type of phalacies non-stop. What I was trying to point out(failed) is that there is no "standard" there is no "best", and if people would offer their oppinion of what they like and why, it would be alot easier to sort through the BS for newbies.

Okay, I got you now, and good luck with that.
This same conversation takes place about every five months.

 

[m401 user]

Voted eGo and KR8, but honestly, have not tried 901 or any mod. I´m dripper myself, thus 510 atty is my fav for its superior hit, although i do use LR only rarely. I´d recommend 510 to a newb (and i mean 510 atty, not regular battery itself, therefore the eGo) as i started with m401 and was still having analog often, once i got 510, urge for analog disappeared... yeah, any analog tastes like superlight compared to 510 with 24mg loaded
...and i´d recommend KR8 for it´s easyness to non-hard smoker, or a lazy person ;-)

 

[GiMante]

People should do their research and decide from that.

I started with a KR808 and now own m401/2/3's, eGo, 901, l88b, 510, 306.
The bottom line is if your ready to quit, you will. MOST people I've come across on these forums have tried numerous models and most people will.

 

[LowThudd]

People should do their research and decide from that.

I started with a KR808 and now own m401/2/3's, eGo, 901, l88b, 510, 306.
The bottom line is if your ready to quit, you will. MOST people I've come across on these forums have tried numerous models and most people will.

That large a collection and no RN4081? Wow, your missing out. lol

 

[GiMante]

That large a collection and no RN4081? Wow, your missing out. lol

Oh, I will eventually! LOL I have my eye on a pink jeweled smokestik

 

[MikeDeason]

Who cares about the auto switch on a 510 anyway? Get a manual 510. Way better

The KR808 prefilled cartos just suck and almost got me back on real cigs before I discovered what could be done with a 510.

 

[Drozd]

I said "model" not mod. Most people who start on a 510 end up moving on to a eGo or some other PV. My only reason(and the only thing on my mind) is that I am tired of so many people telling newbies that the 510 is the "best" e-cig. It is one thing to say "this is what I prefer" , but that is a far cry from the 510 groupies saying it is the "standard when it comes to e-cigs", or "it is the best e-cig to start with" etc...The past week I have been reading that type of phalacies non-stop. What I was trying to point out(failed) is that there is no "standard" there is no "best", and if people would offer their oppinion of what they like and why, it would be alot easier to sort through the BS for newbies.

but there are he same type of people for other ecig models....heck the KR808d-1 has it's own little cult like family centered on one particular vendor...
I tried a KR8...and hate hate hated it...I don't particularly like cartos...and the prefilled ones?....taste like satan himself pooed directly into my mouth then tried to cover it with potpouri...
the vapor production was abysmal...which I beleve to be part of the psychology in the initial switch...

 

[Automaton]

Who cares about the auto switch on a 510 anyway? Get a manual 510. Way better

The KR808 prefilled cartos just suck and almost got me back on real cigs before I discovered what could be done with a 510.

No they aren't. Not to LowThudd, they aren't. He digs autos. A good switch is important to him. And who are you to tell him he's wrong? He's not smoking, and he loves his gear. That's the end of the debate.

Fine. You think prefilled cartos suck. I happen to agree with you. But I know people who love V4L prefilled's. I don't get it either, but guess what? They aren't smoking, and they love their gear. That's the end of the debate.

This is the the point LowThudd was getting at - what you like is not automatically "correct" simply because you like it.

 

[LowThudd]

Oh, I will eventually! LOL I have my eye on a pink jeweled smokestik

Unfortunately, they are out of Pink, and they were on close out. The Hendu is really nice, but the batt to watch out for is the PitBull 250mAh batt. They stll have gold batts for $15 on close out FYI.

 

[LowThudd]

Oh, and, some prefilled cartos do suck, others don't. I haven't tried any V4L because of mixed reviews, but I do love my V4L PT. I refill my own cartos, it's quick and easy. And I still love my manual eGos, but when I just want to kick back and relax, I choose an auto because it is less to think about. Especially usefull when drinking adult beverages. lol

 

[LowThudd]

Who cares about the auto switch on a 510 anyway? Get a manual 510. Way better

The KR808 prefilled cartos just suck and almost got me back on real cigs before I discovered what could be done with a 510.

The majority of people who only like manuals haven't tried anything(or liked anything) but a 510. Because in 510 land, yes the manuals are "way better" because 510 autos suck, my oppinion only. I'm sure there are some people who like 510 autos(though not many).

 

[Automaton]

The majority of people who only like manuals haven't tried anything(or liked anything) but a 510. Because in 510 land, yes the manuals are "way better" because 510 autos suck, my oppinion only. I'm sure there are some people who like 510 autos(though not many).

Well, if they use the same kind of switch as the auto eGo, I agree.

I won an auto eGo in a raffle. I also have an auto Kr8 because sometimes I do need something more cig-like for bad cravings.

I like the auto Kr8. I wish the auto eGo was a manual.

It is SO easy to set that thing off. Any kind of noise, sometimes even just jostling can set it off. And if the 510's have the same kind of switch as the eGo's, then I can see why auto 510's would suck.

The auto Kr8, on the other hand, is pretty hard to set off if you aren't actually sucking on it. In fact, I have never managed to set it off while not sucking on it (which is exactly how it's SUPPOSED to work).

I also have an auto 510 PT, but that's less annoying since it's an at-home device and I tend to have a quiet apartment so I'm not that concerned about the switch.

I will say this: If you like auto's, it is worth having a lot of extra's, or a couple of manuals. Just in case. That is, in fact, the reason I don't recommend them in my videos. It's aimed at people on a tight budget, and your average newbie is liable to make a mistake which could easily kill an auto batt within the first week or two. That's not good spend-thrift.

But I have 5 manual batts. So I can afford to lose one of the auto's. Or all of them, for that matter.

 

[Tim the Enchanter]

Thanks for starting this thread, LowThudd! I've learned a lot from it.

I didn't vote because I'm a n00b who is trying to figure out what I want to totally replace the crappy, kiosk-bought, Smoke 51 Duo, e-Rip-offs I got a couple weeks ago. Yes. I'm still smoking analogs. The flavor of these things is OK, for the first 10 or so long-drags, then it starts diminishing fast. They also can get the vapor pretty damned hot sometimes -- and I'm an x-cigar/pipe smoker, too, so if I say it's hot, it is hot. Another problem is that I think about 20% of their cartos are defective or something. They don't seem to work decently right out of the box, even when I try a new battery on them.

So, I want to get, I think, a KR808D-1, with their standard automatic battery, and a larger battery like the Riva for it, too. I'll probably order Liberty Flight's $29.95 deal with two Rivas when they are back in stock, and just buy one auto regularly battery at first for it, to try it. I do find that I like to have these Smoke 51's dangling in my mouth when I'm typing at the computer, even if I'm not puffing them much. (We haven't been smoking while inside at my house since 2002, so that's a nice change.) I also want to try the new CE2 ceramic cartos on them.

I'll probably get the SmokeStik, also. I've seen the videos and information about how they are impossible, or almost impossible, to burn up the filler in them. LowThudd, I think you said something about different flavors for them. Are you refilling them. If so, do you add flavoring right from the start somehow?

You might think I'm over-killing my purchases, but I think I want to try the eGo right away, too. It's both my wife and I that are trying to switch completely over to vaping, so all this paraphernalia is actually for two people to both try and figure out what suits them.

As far as what everyone prefers to recommend to beginners, I suppose it's a lot like taking a friend to a type of internationally-styled restaurant they haven't been to before and them asking you, "What's good?" It's a good thing they make menus that have lots of choices. I definitely got your point that the standard Ego was not the best thing for for everyone to start with, and that it sure is hyped a lot. Before I did a lot of reading here and watching a lot of videos, that was my first impression, too.

I still feel a bit lost. Thanks to this thread, a little less so.

Thx again!

Tim

 

[Automaton]

Hey Tim!

Just a question - did you mean that you wanted to buy a Riva and use Kr808 cartomizers on it? You would need an adapter for that.

What would be easier, is getting the Defender from VaporNine.com, or the Elegant from CigEasy.com. It's the same style of battery, but built for Kr808 cartomizers, so you won't need an adapter.

If you mean a Kr808 *and* a Riva, well, I think you've got all your bases covered.

No such thing as over-kill. If you can afford it and you don't mind becoming a hobbyist, try everything!

 

[LowThudd]

Thanks for starting this thread, LowThudd! I've learned a lot from it.

I didn't vote because I'm a n00b who is trying to figure out what I want to totally replace the crappy, kiosk-bought, Smoke 51 Duo, e-Rip-offs I got a couple weeks ago. Yes. I'm still smoking analogs. The flavor of these things is OK, for the first 10 or so long-drags, then it starts diminishing fast. They also can get the vapor pretty damned hot sometimes -- and I'm an x-cigar/pipe smoker, too, so if I say it's hot, it is hot. Another problem is that I think about 20% of their cartos are defective or something. They don't seem to work decently right out of the box, even when I try a new battery on them.

So, I want to get, I think, a KR808D-1, with their standard automatic battery, and a larger battery like the Riva for it, too. I'll probably order First Flight's $29.95 deal with two Rivas when they are back in stock, and just buy one auto regularly battery at first for it, to try it. I do find that I like to have these Smoke 51's dangling in my mouth when I'm typing at the computer, even if I'm not puffing them much. (We haven't been smoking while inside at my house since 2002, so that's a nice change.) I also want to try the new CE2 ceramic cartos on them.

I'll probably get the SmokeStik, also. I've seen the videos and information about how they are impossible, or almost impossible, to burn up the filler in them. LowThudd, I think you said something about different flavors for them. Are you refilling them. If so, do you add flavoring right from the start somehow?

You might think I'm over-killing my purchases, but I think I want to try the eGo right away, too. It's both my wife and I that are trying to switch completely over to vaping, so all this paraphernalia is actually for two people to both try and figure out what suits them.

As far as what everyone prefers to recommend to beginners, I suppose it's a lot like taking a friend to a type of internationally-styled restaurant they haven't been to before and them asking you, "What's good?" It's a good thing they make menus that have lots of choices. I definitely got your point that the standard Ego was not the best thing for for everyone to start with, and that it sure is hyped a lot. Before I did a lot of reading here and watching a lot of videos, that was my first impression, too.

I still feel a bit lost. Thanks to this thread, a little less so.

Thx again!

Tim

Yea, I like my KR8s, but just to let you know V4L recently switched to sound activation. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...7-vapor-leaf-kings-kr808d-1-sale-26-96-a.html Pretty good price there, and they are vacuum switched. As for the SS cartos, you can vape them nearly dry, no burning. See post #18 here for details why. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokestik/126895-a-2.html I generally vape them dry, then refill w/ whatever juice I feel like. BTW, I prefer the SmokeStik menthols to the regulars. Although the regulars aren't to bad, just not my favorite. The menthol is really good, cream/vanilla undertones. Make sure and use the ECF discount page if you order from them. SmokeStik ::: Alternative Smoking

 

[LowThudd]

Hey Tim!

Just a question - did you mean that you wanted to buy a Riva and use Kr808 cartomizers on it? You would need an adapter for that.

What would be easier, is getting the Defender from VaporNine.com, or the Elegant from CigEasy.com. It's the same style of battery, but built for Kr808 cartomizers, so you won't need an adapter.

If you mean a Kr808 *and* a Riva, well, I think you've got all your bases covered.

No such thing as over-kill. If you can afford it and you don't mind becoming a hobbyist, try everything!

Liberty flights sells a 901 riva, and it suposedly KR8 carto friendly. No FHE though.

 

[LowThudd]

One nice thing about having several different models is you can have a different flavor in each one. Also, if you get into a jam and need parts, it's easier to find what you need locally if you have a couple types.

 

[Sparrots]

I started out with the M401's. Wow, anything would've been better for me than those but I didn't know any better. I had to have a good battery supply for just one day. I switched to the 510's for a short time and now can use all my 510 equipment on my Ego. Was able to PIF my 401 stuff so don't feel it was a waste. It did allow me to quit analogs and that wasn't even my plan. Am happy with the Ego but I would like to try the cr8 since I've heard so much good about them. Just glad there are so many juices to try.