Is the 510 REALLY the be all end all of e-cigs?!?

[Tim the Enchanter]

Just a question - did you mean that you wanted to buy a Riva and use Kr808 cartomizers on it? You would need an adapter for that.

Sorry, Mistress,

I screwed up my post due to not being familiar with all the 'stuff' yet. I meant to say the Riva 510 bundle that Liberty Flights is offering for @29.95.

Hey Mistress, would you please come to my house and tell me WTF I want?

I'm sure wifey won't mind as she is trying to switch too, and she's also somewhat depending on me to figure out what we are doing -- since I'm retired and have tons of time to read this forum and evaluate vendors (and that seems it is needed), and she still works.

Thx!

Tim

 

[Tim the Enchanter]

LowThudd,

See post #18 here for details why. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokestik/126895-a-2.html

Yeah. I had seen that. bigblue30 did some nice work there.

FYI, now maybe I can be of help to you with a forum trick/tip.

If you want to send someone to an exact message in a thread, click on the message number in the top right of the message box (the "#62" in the case of this message). Then, use that URL that your browser will be switched to as your link. I mean, instead of saying, "See post 18 in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokestik/126895-a.html thread," just say, "See the post at http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokestik/126895-a.html#post1982446: for which clicking it should then take you right to the correct, exact post within the thread. Depends a bit on just how helpful you want to be.

Yes. I'm an old forum dog.

I generally vape them dry, then refill w/ whatever juice I feel like.

Can you add a couple drops of a flavor you like to the cartos before starting on them?

Do you need to clean them before totally switching flavors?

For the record, I've always HATED menthol analogs. Would it probably carry over and be the same for me with PV menthols? I don't even like spearmint gum, though I love wintergreen Certs and Breath Savers. Go figure.

Make sure and use the ECF discount page if you order from them. SmokeStik ::: Alternative Smoking

OH! Thank you, thank you! I hadn't seen that. That should help.

Thx!

Tim

 

[LowThudd]

LowThudd,



Yeah. I had seen that. bigblue30 did some nice work there.

FYI, now maybe I can be of help to you with a forum trick/tip.

If you want to send someone to an exact message in a thread, click on the message number in the top right of the message box (the "#62" in the case of this message). Then, use that URL that your browser will be switched to as your link. I mean, instead of saying, "See post 18 in http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokestik/126895-a.html thread," just say, "See the post at http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/smokestik/126895-a.html#post1982446: for which clicking it should then take you right to the correct, exact post within the thread. Depends a bit on just how helpful you want to be.

Yes. I'm an old forum dog.



Can you add a couple drops of a flavor you like to the cartos before starting on them?

Do you need to clean them before totally switching flavors?

For the record, I've always HATED menthol analogs. Would it probably carry over and be the same for me with PV menthols? I don't even like spearmint gum, though I love wintergreen Certs and Breath Savers. Go figure.



OH! Thank you, thank you! I hadn't seen that. That should help.

Thx!

Tim

Thanks for the tip!

They are already filled to the max from the factory. I wouldn't add any juice to it. If you don't like the flavor, you can do the reverse taryn spin(don't have a link), where you sping the carto and use cetifugal motion to clear the juice out. Haven't tried it. I vape so much I can clear a well filled carto in under an hour easy. I don't wash mine, some do. I find w/ the SS cartos, you can vape them so dry that there will be little or no flavor carry over when you refill. Much better than the KR8 cartos. As far as the menthol, alot of people who don't like menthol cigs like SS menthol. It is really unique, and not too "Minty".

Oh, and those gold batts that are on close out for $15 are a great deal. They look really classy w/ the Cubic Zirconium ash cap.

 

[AlexTM]

By that standard the vote should be on atomizer/cartomizer type. Because between a 901, 510, 801, kr8, or thread compatible cartomizer on one of those systems- they can all get people off the analogs.

Not quite. It's the combinaton of battery and atty that determins how it's going to vape, and the eGo battery doesn't just work great - you can also natively use 10 different atties on them, and that's not even counting plastic-burning cartos with fillers. (Which I'd never ever recommend to anybody.) With adapters, next to everything else works. Therefore, the eGo is the best choice for a new vaper, because from there, they can go everywhere.

Only if it has to be really cheap, or somebody really really wants "small", do I recomment standard 510s. (The manual version – the auto was known to be, shall we say, problematic.) One can still try 7 different atties natively and with adapters, again, a lot more.

Which atty they prefer in the end is entirely a matter of personal preference, but an eGo kit is the best way to start trying out all those options.

 

[Drozd]

Hey Tim!

Just a question - did you mean that you wanted to buy a Riva and use Kr808 cartomizers on it? You would need an adapter for that.

What would be easier, is getting the Defender from VaporNine.com, or the Elegant from CigEasy.com. It's the same style of battery, but built for Kr808 cartomizers, so you won't need an adapter.

If you mean a Kr808 *and* a Riva, well, I think you've got all your bases covered.

No such thing as over-kill. If you can afford it and you don't mind becoming a hobbyist, try everything!

it'd be easier to get the defender or the elegant.... however the nice thing about an adapter with KR8 cartos on an eGo or the riva is that if you get the right adapter the airflow is adjustable and it adds just a bit of length to make the carto in the cone a little better...
given that they're all 3.2V including the defender and elegant the native threading isn't really a super advantage in fact I'd rather have the adjustable airflow option

 

[LowThudd]

Not quite. It's the combinaton of battery and atty that determins how it's going to vape, and the eGo battery doesn't just work great - you can also natively use 10 different atties on them, and that's not even counting plastic-burning cartos with fillers. (Which I'd never ever recommend to anybody.) With adapters, next to everything else works. Therefore, the eGo is the best choice for a new vaper, because from there, they can go everywhere.

Only if it has to be really cheap, or somebody really really wants "small", do I recomment standard 510s. (The manual version – the auto was known to be, shall we say, problematic.) One can still try 7 different atties natively and with adapters, again, a lot more.

Which atty they prefer in the end is entirely a matter of personal preference, but an eGo kit is the best way to start trying out all those options.

For the budget concious, the eGo USP batt or the Riva would be a great choice if size or auto function isn't important to the user. I have really gotten into my eGo USB batt plugged into the wall or cap on in the car, and they can be had for @$20 on sale. A couple mega attys and carts and your good to go.

 

[5th Element]

omega 6v 801 atty or 801 carto

 

[Katya]

Not quite. It's the combinaton of battery and atty that determins how it's going to vape, and the eGo battery doesn't just work great - you can also natively use 10 different atties on them, and that's not even counting plastic-burning cartos with fillers. (Which I'd never ever recommend to anybody.) With adapters, next to everything else works. Therefore, the eGo is the best choice for a new vaper, because from there, they can go everywhere.

Only if it has to be really cheap, or somebody really really wants "small", do I recomment standard 510s. (The manual version – the auto was known to be, shall we say, problematic.) One can still try 7 different atties natively and with adapters, again, a lot more.

Which atty they prefer in the end is entirely a matter of personal preference, but an eGo kit is the best way to start trying out all those options.

Alex, you should try some of the newer cartomizers that are now available for the 510 thread, or visit us at the old "Burning Cartomizers" thread sometime. All cartomizers have been vastly improved and I haven't burned one in months. They are also offered in great many levels of resistance, from 1.7Ω (which is the hottest) to 3.5Ω (the coolest). Some of the recommended makers are Boge, SLB, and Bauway. If kept moist--topped off early and often, they are almost impossible to burn. I think it's unwise to tell people to stay away from cartos, because cartos are relatively simple to use, refill and carry around and make it easy for folks to stay with the vaping habit. I know a lot of people who almost gave up on vaping because they didn't have the patience, the wherewithall or the time to deal with finicky atties and constant dripping. Everybody should try both, atties and cartos, at least once and decide for him/herself. Cartomizers are good, user-friendly and practical.

 

[guitardedmark]

I voted 510. But really the poll should have been different.

Battery life and voltages are all nice. But really it comes down to what is being used to atomize the liquid, when all things are equal.

By that standard the vote should be on atomizer/cartomizer type. Because between a 901, 510, 801, kr8, or thread compatible cartomizer on one of those systems- they can all get people off the analogs.

I agree. Referring to the 510 as a 3 piece system is not accurate. There are a bunch of 510 cartos that work very well. Joye actually has a 510 carto that surprisingly, not many people know of. I was advised that if I wanted to use cartos, the KR808d-1 was my best option. I bought it, returned it, and now I am VERY happy with my 510.

To me it is very important to have the PV feel like a real cig. Also, I go out quite a bit and when using a box mod or bigger unit (my friend has a pro vape) EVERYONE asks "are you smoking one of those e-cigs?" and then they ask 2428084238932 questions. Sometimes I just want to vape without people knowing I'm vaping. I have a PCC so I NEVER have battery issues.

As a noob, I was SO frustrated when i asked for a "mini" device that looks like a cigarette and feels like a cigarette and everyone said "get an eGo". I was VERY close to giving up. Egos are great and probably one of the better PVs but for some people it is very important to have a PV that feels and looks like a cigarette. For me its been critical.

 

[guitardedmark]

Alex, you should try some of the newer cartomizers that are now available for the 510 thread, or visit us at the old "Burning Cartomizers" thread sometime. All cartomizers have been vastly improved and I haven't burned one in months. They are also offered in great many levels of resistance, from 1.7Ω (which is the hottest) to 3.5Ω (the coolest). Some of the recommended makers are Boge, SLB, and Bauway. If kept moist--topped off early and often, they are almost impossible to burn. I think it's unwise to tell people to stay away from cartos, because cartos are relatively simple to use, refill and carry around and make it easy for folks to stay with the vaping habit. I know a lot of people who almost gave up on vaping because they didn't have the patience, the wherewithall or the time to deal with finicky atties and constant dripping. Everybody should try both, atties and cartos, at least once and decide for him/herself. Cartomizers are good, user-friendly and practical.

Well said sir! I see a lot of people referring noobs to devices because they have not updated themselves on the current technology. If your stil referring people to what was out 6 months ago, your not going to be giving the best advise. I know of two 510 cartos (genuine Joye and ce2) that do not have filler.

 

[humpty]

It doesn't really matter what a newbie starts off with unless it's really bad.
I mean the average vaporer is gonna try out a few models before s/he gets an idea of the differences anyway.
The question I think is 'what is the worst model that a newbie could unfortunately purchase' ?

 

[Automaton]

It doesn't really matter what a newbie starts off with unless it's really bad.
I mean the average vaporer is gonna try out a few models before s/he gets an idea of the differences anyway.
The question I think is 'what is the worst model that a newbie could unfortunately purchase' ?

I haven't tried it myself, but based on another thread which was "what's the worst e-cig you've tried?" I'd go with the Health E-Cig. Multiple accounts of it working extremely poorly (bad switch, little to no vapor, etc), not working at all, and one of it overheating almost immediately! It definitely had the most votes in that thread.

Fortunately, it's also cheap - around 20 bucks. So at least if someone is unfortunate enough to buy it, they're not out too much.

The thing is, most of the hated super-mini's (Blu, Safe Cig, Smoke 51, Smoking Everywhere, etc) actually do work like you'd expect. Tiny carts, bad battery life, finicky to use, but they're the size of a cig. What do you expect? Some of them actually get fairly decent vapor production. Some have fairly good auto switches. And, some of them don't, but hey.

It's not that they're bad, it's just that they aren't necessarily a suitably powerful replacement for most seriously addicted smokers. The other thing is that many of them are insanely over-priced. A Smoking Everywhere kit costs as much as a really, really expensive mod. And that is, obviously, insane.

But if they were 25 bucks for a kit? That would be fairly reasonable. For a very light/social smoker, or an inconspicuous vape at the pub, they work fine.

 

[sbphotog]

I started with a RN4081 and it was a great starter pv. But I love my 510...I think the attys are great. Battery life, on the other hand, blows....but I'm getting my eGo tomorrow so it's all good.

I've tried cartos, but I didn't like them at all. I don't think there is a best overall, it's more of personal choice...what's best for "you".

 

[OgreLokon]

I started with a 510 kit a week and a half or so ago, due to the opinion of a friend, and I do have to say I love it. Of course, the only other e-cig I've tried was her 5v on a 510 atty mod... don't recall the name though. As far as I've seen, the only thing I don't like is batt life, and spent yesterday deciding if I want an eGo, or to build a Nicostick.

Nicostick parts are en route

But I'd still recommend it or the eGo to someone new. I just make sure to mention how often they'll be charging it if the get the straight 510.

 

[Seabrook]

I love my 510s. What makes them better for me is the XL battery. I have stainless steel, and I think they look less intimidating and a little classier in public. When I'm out and about or my 510 batts are on the charger, I use my eGos.

 

[Automaton]

I started with a RN4081 and it was a great starter pv. But I love my 510...I think the attys are great. Battery life, on the other hand, blows....but I'm getting my eGo tomorrow so it's all good.

I've tried cartos, but I didn't like them at all. I don't think there is a best overall, it's more of personal choice...what's best for "you".

Yeah, of the super-mini's, I'd say the one I hear the most nice things about is probably the RN4081, followed closely by the M40x series. They're not bad PV's. Some people just have unrealistic expectations of them. Less size = less power and battery life, with the current technology.

And very much agree with "what's best for YOU."

 

[LowThudd]

Yeah, of the super-mini's, I'd say the one I hear the most nice things about is probably the RN4081, followed closely by the M40x series. They're not bad PV's. Some people just have unrealistic expectations of them. Less size = less power and battery life, with the current technology.

And very much agree with "what's best for YOU."

As far as the batt life, the new PitBull from SmokeStik is a 250mAh RN4081 w/ an air flow switch. Deffinately one to look forward to. I love my beta test model. Look forward to the production run.

 

[sbphotog]

As far as the batt life, the new PitBull from SmokeStik is a 250mAh RN4081 w/ an air flow switch. Deffinately one to look forward to. I love my beta test model. Look forward to the production run.

Now if there were more places to get a RN4081 atty for less than $20 it would be great!

 

[LowThudd]

Now if there were more places to get a RN4081 atty for less than $20 it would be great!

Plenty of places. Totally wicked sells 5 for @$30. Same w/ liberty flights. My self, I love the SmokeStik cartos. They are REALLY good, and don't burn if you run them dry.

 

[humpty]

.."what's the worst e-cig you've tried?" I'd go with the Health E-Cig. Multiple accounts of it working extremely poorly (bad switch, little to no vapor, etc), not working at all, and one of it overheating almost immediately! It definitely had the most votes in that thread..

I really can't recommend the e-health as the best starter for a newbie, but I'm currently having some fun with this $10 thing by replacing the inner carts with a straw wrapped with foil. The batt is okay as long as you don't get juice in it and the atty is decent, it's not as bad as I've read, but hey $10.