Is the nic bar becoming lower?
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I'm currently at 6mg/ml x 2ml = 12mg per day. Each step down has been frustrating but I pulled through. My goal is to quit. The path and the motivations are different for different folks.
There was a topic a couple months ago about the amount used per day. From that topic, it did seem like a lot of folks only considered the concentration and not the total volume that they are vaping. Some of the sub ohm vapers that are using low concentrations like 3-6mg/ml are actually consuming a LOT more nicotine because of the massive volumes that they use.
There was a topic a couple months ago about the amount used per day. From that topic, it did seem like a lot of folks only considered the concentration and not the total volume that they are vaping. Some of the sub ohm vapers that are using low concentrations like 3-6mg/ml are actually consuming a LOT more nicotine because of the massive volumes that they use.
Doggone...I flubbed my own post. Rather than "How many ml/day do you consume?," I had meant, 'How many mg/day do you consume?'
18mg @ 3ml a day. Started with 24mg @ 6-10ml a day. Three pad kool smoker. I diy, so store bought doesn't matter except when someone mentioned a great new flavor from a good vendor. Go to website and nic option is 6mg max. No thanks. 1.8ohm at 8-10 watts. Works for me.
I must be doing it wrong.
A 3 or 4 ml tank lasts me all week. 3% nic.
I still smoke a few cigarettes a day but I vape all day.
A 3 or 4 ml tank lasts me all week. 3% nic.
I still smoke a few cigarettes a day but I vape all day.
Wish you luck quitting those last few cigs/day! Have you tried using a higher concentration of nicotine (maybe 12-24mg/ml) and low output device as a substitute for the cigarettes? That's what worked well for me but everyone is different.
Hah. I remember when I first tried a Kayfun. It belonged to one of the guys in the B&M I frequented at that time and I watched him build it. When he was done, he let me try it. Wow! I want one! They did not have any to sell. Talk about a tease! Kayfuns were really hard to find at that time...
I started vaping 12months and 2weeks ago. After an initial 2weeks messing around with 3 and 6mg I went to 18mg @ about 6ml a day and then quit tobacco within 2weeks of that.
A month later I was using 12mg and about 5ml a day.
The amount I use regardless of mg has bee pretty constant from a little bit past that point on, about 3-4ml.
I dropped to about 9mg about 4months ago and am now @ about 5mg.
Ive never really set out to drop the mg or the mls, its all been just a natural progression.
Because I have been experimenting on myself with nic as far as its addictive properties are concerned and testing how easy or difficult it is to reset a tolerance to nic I may have reduced my tolerance along the way as a result.
If I do without nic for 2days after vaping 9mg and then resume using nic a brew of 4-6mg can be quite strong, almost too much for a while and I will use less.
fwiw, I dont think nic is all that addictive for me in the context of vaping and its very easy for me to reset my tolerance either up or down.
Its not my intention to quit vaping but if that just happens naturally I will just go with it, if I end up just an occasional vaper @ 2-3mg thats no problem either, if I stay at with the mg and ml's I use today for the next 30yrs that also completely acceptable.
A month later I was using 12mg and about 5ml a day.
The amount I use regardless of mg has bee pretty constant from a little bit past that point on, about 3-4ml.
I dropped to about 9mg about 4months ago and am now @ about 5mg.
Ive never really set out to drop the mg or the mls, its all been just a natural progression.
Because I have been experimenting on myself with nic as far as its addictive properties are concerned and testing how easy or difficult it is to reset a tolerance to nic I may have reduced my tolerance along the way as a result.
If I do without nic for 2days after vaping 9mg and then resume using nic a brew of 4-6mg can be quite strong, almost too much for a while and I will use less.
fwiw, I dont think nic is all that addictive for me in the context of vaping and its very easy for me to reset my tolerance either up or down.
Its not my intention to quit vaping but if that just happens naturally I will just go with it, if I end up just an occasional vaper @ 2-3mg thats no problem either, if I stay at with the mg and ml's I use today for the next 30yrs that also completely acceptable.
I think it's the opposite -- nic levels have been going up this past year or so. However, a few years ago they definitely went down! They certainly went down for the new vaper with the advent of subohm and clouds, bro. IMHO it has to do with the type of vaping and equipment....and marketing.
As I recall, people lowered their nic considerably when they switched to DL and "subohm" styles.
Check out a couple liquid vendors and see what is available. Much different than my early days when 18 was king and 24 was readily available.
For a few years it's been harder to find 18 with 12 being the top and "salts" 18 here and there with 36 and 48 most common.
Yet Juhl is coming (or has come out) with a lower nic level pod -- so maybe they are going down afterall.
As I recall, people lowered their nic considerably when they switched to DL and "subohm" styles.
Check out a couple liquid vendors and see what is available. Much different than my early days when 18 was king and 24 was readily available.
For a few years it's been harder to find 18 with 12 being the top and "salts" 18 here and there with 36 and 48 most common.
Yet Juhl is coming (or has come out) with a lower nic level pod -- so maybe they are going down afterall.
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Reading this has got my ol' gray matter doing cycles inside. I, like others, started at 24mg/ml with an EVOD VV at 3.2 - 4.8 watts with an Aspire Nautilus topper. It was a simple system and also was what got me off of the cigarettes. When I finally picked up my first real VV 18650 style mod I believe it was the IPV2 and an Aspire Atlantis tank I still stayed with the unflavored 24 mg/ml juice. It wasn't until I got the first sub-ohm tank that I dropped down to 12 mg/ml, I think I had been vaping about 6 months then.
Now I see these "Beginner" kits that are High Wattage and sub-ohm with low nic. I can't help but feel the vape shops are setting up beginners to fail. Just my
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Now I see these "Beginner" kits that are High Wattage and sub-ohm with low nic. I can't help but feel the vape shops are setting up beginners to fail. Just my
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And you know, there is sub ohm and then there is sub ohm... My wife is a mtl vaper, 12mg nic, uses nautilus minis on istick 20 and 30w, 1.8 coils. Early this year I got her a Nautilus 2 tank and a Zelos mod. They started making a .7 coil with the naut2. She still uses the 1.8 coils in naut minis, but she loves the .7 in the naut2 at anywhere from 11w to 17w, which is a bit low for that coil. She still uses 12mg liquid in it. I'm not sure off hand how much a day she uses. That's sub ohm vaping.
And then there is what I do, .2 to .28 dual coil rda's and rta's at anywhere from 70 to 100+ watts, full airflow, cloud chucker, and warm. Lower your hackles please, flavor is more important to me than clouds. I'm a big guy with big lungs and I like to fill them, no tootle puffing for me. I started with hand me down cartos and simple tanks, but kept looking for more flavor, more cloud. Kept moving up. I'm pretty happy where I am now but you never know...
I do not vape for nicotine, I vape for the physical act, it makes me happy.
And then there is what I do, .2 to .28 dual coil rda's and rta's at anywhere from 70 to 100+ watts, full airflow, cloud chucker, and warm. Lower your hackles please, flavor is more important to me than clouds. I'm a big guy with big lungs and I like to fill them, no tootle puffing for me. I started with hand me down cartos and simple tanks, but kept looking for more flavor, more cloud. Kept moving up. I'm pretty happy where I am now but you never know...
I do not vape for nicotine, I vape for the physical act, it makes me happy.
I understand that I am an outlier as far as this goes and that a vast majority are lowering their nic levels.
That was my intention when I began, and to eventually quit altogether. The combination of my research, which led me to the conclusion that nic is not the demon that it has been made out to be and in fact may be quite useful in the treatment of Alzheimer’s and other cognitive issues, and my wife telling me I was much more pleasant to be around before I dropped my nic level made me reconsider.
My progression chart from the beginning, 36, 24, 18, 12, 6 (for all of about 2 days), 12, 15, 24.
I started with 18mg cartridges, then 18mg liquids in clearomisers. Think I did try 20mg a few times but I'm not sure they sell that strength these days because of the EU regulations. Went down to 12, but anything less than that in that style didn't work. When I bought my first sub-ohm DL tank I ignored the advice that I'd need to drop my nic levels, took a massive pull, nearly passed out in the street and went straight back to the shop to swap them for 6mg!
Now using the Zenith tank which is MTL, but using sub-ohm coils so it's a bit of a hybrid. Tend to use 3mg juice, though have thought I need to go back up to 6mg sometimes.
Now using the Zenith tank which is MTL, but using sub-ohm coils so it's a bit of a hybrid. Tend to use 3mg juice, though have thought I need to go back up to 6mg sometimes.
I think what I'm seeing is basically just a drop in those who tend to quit initially with basic mtl regular tanks and regular hi nic. I guess that what the juul types have done. Just a few years ago it seemed you saw a ton more vapors starting out with basic mtl devices and 18 to 24 nic. I think that part of the nitch is kind of dying because of the pod mods
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I agree.....it's either pod mods, because those cartridges can be profitable or hi powered stuff....and perhaps it's just that the regular low powered mtl tanks are just fading out ? I just don't see many new vapors starting out with your basic mtl gear at the higher nic levels , which definitely seemed much more popular a few years ago
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I still vape on high Nic 36 +. I’m a mtl vaper. I don’t really like sub ohm vaping. My spot is about 1.6 ohm 18-20 w @ 4-5 v. I’ve been at this point for years. Nic salts are interesting but I think I prefer the 50/50 70/30 mix. I’m very set in my ways. But this got me off cigarettes straight away so why change. I do vary tanks. I’m fond of the aspire brand and am enjoying the nautilus 2 at the moment. I’ve been looking at the pods and wondering if they would meet my needs. Seeing my usual setup has anyone got anything to say that would tempt me to buying one? They seem to be the future.
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I never consider a .7 ohm vapor doing mtl on simple mtl low powered devices a sub ohm vapor. Technically your correct, and years ago I could see this, but now it confuses me as sub ohm typically means a totally different thing. When I think of a sub ohm vapor, I think of very high wattage, devices specifically made for dtl open af, and much lower nic. I myself vape mtl rtas with 24mg nic and only vape 2 to 3mls per day, but do make my coils under 1 ohm and with today's definitions, I don't consider myself a sub ohm vapor because with regulated devices, resistances don't really mean much imo. To many labels I suppose
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