Is there any air purifier suggestion?

[chloevanessa]

As a new vaper who spends a large amount of time in a 12x15 bedroom/office with carpet, a bed, computers running, and most importantly radiant heat and no airflow, I'm in need of an air purifier with the specific requirement of good performance in dealing with vapor.
Personally, I'm particularly interested in the portable air purifier. So is there any suggestion for air purifier?

 

[stols001]

Thanks for reminding me I need to wash my air purifiers, actually. I have a Honeywell tabletop air purifier. I went with the washable filters (which was cheaper, actually) and it's table top, so it's for a medium sized room. I can't remember the model number but I got it fairly inexpensively on Amazon and it works well (especially when the filters are clean) and it's fairly light and portable.

Good luck,

Anna

 

[Fidola13]

I have 2 that I use in medium/large rooms. I keep one in my family room and one in my bedroom. Works well imo.

 

[UlkaHuren]

8 years ago I did a ton of research on purifiers. So many are not effective for anything large than a closet or have various fancy stages that do little. What I wanted was one that can clean a large area, has a very good CADR rating, and didn’t have a medical equipment price tag. At the time I was an avid hookah smoker and also wanted to keep allergens out of the house. The one I chose that’s rated to do one whole floor of my house and has great CADR ratings was the Electrolux EL500AZ. It was $200, but I see them for more now. Maybe this model is getting scarce now. Remember this is one to do a whole floor, so a smaller one for a room would be less. There were about 5 makes that used this same platform, but the Electrolux was the best in performance and not the most expensive. It’s also very simple to
Maintain. I’m just going from basics I remember from 8 years ago, so I can’t get too detailed or rattle off specific models.

The CADR rating is a score in tests for how well it filters out smoke, particles, and such. Mine scored very high across the board. The manufacturer usually doesn’t list this. I think it’s an independent organization that does these tests.

I wouldn’t necessarily use my purifier as a recommendation, but as a model of what to look for on a quality purifier. I’ve seen similar newer models on this design, but I’m not familiar with them. This design has a Hepa filter, charcoal filter, and plasma wave ionizer. And no it’s not the kind that pollutes your house with negative ions and causes all the dust to stick to the walls and furniture. It’s a neutral field that destroys anything that the filters don’t get. It’s also very quiet and you forget the thing is running. After having the thing on for a couple of days, my house actually smelled quite differently. It also has a sensor that detects airborne chemicals, gases, and such and can cause the fan to kick up to a higher level until it’s removed the offending contaminants.

Oh yeah. It has a remote that sits in the well up top. It has a 5 level bar that registers the level of air contaminants and several airflow speeds as well as automatic.

 

[dripster]

I'm using the Dyson Pure Cool desk purifier (2018 model). Even though it gets fairly loud if using it at max power I highly recommend it because it circulates the air much more effectively and throughout the entire house if needed, as opposed to cleaning the air in just a single corner of just a single room, so you're getting real tangible power instead of a marketed gimmick, and, in addition, purification alone simply doesn't cut it IMO because adequate ventilation used in cohort with rapid, wide area purification is the one way to survive advancing air pollution, again IMO.

 

[Belhade]

I also got a desktop Honeywell air purifier, don't recall if it's the same that Anna got when we had this discussion a few months ago.

I need to replace the filter at this point, though, I'm sure I bought a pack of replacements but nowhere to be found...

 

[Colombia]

I being using since 2014 the IQAIR Healthpro Plus and is amazing, probably overkill for what we use it (regular cooking smell, dust alergies etc) and is very big but so far we are very happy with it.

I turn it on late night when I am working and vaping and clean the clouds very fast.

 

[sdennislee]

I'm using the Dyson Pure Cool desk purifier (2018 model). Even though it gets fairly loud if using it at max power I highly recommend it because it circulates the air much more effectively and throughout the entire house if needed, as opposed to cleaning the air in just a single corner of just a single room, so you're getting real tangible power instead of a marketed gimmick, and, in addition, purification alone simply doesn't cut it IMO because adequate ventilation used in cohort with rapid, wide area purification is the one way to survive advancing air pollution, again IMO.

I’m struggling with your claim of doing the whole house. When I looked at these systems the desk models were rated at just under 300 sqft. While that is certainly a decent size room it’s far from even close to a whole house. Even a small house is going to be 1500 sqft. How are you managing this?

 

[dripster]

I’m struggling with your claim of doing the whole house. When I looked at these systems the desk models were rated at just under 300 sqft. While that is certainly a decent size room it’s far from even close to a whole house. Even a small house is going to be 1500 sqft. How are you managing this?

Well it isn't going to help very much if all you want is to quickly get rid of all your exhaled vapor production if you chain cloud chase in every room of your house, but I live in an area where nitrogen dioxide, which is known to be carcinogenic, is very frequently reaching alarming concentrations, often multiple times per day with very strong peaks that usually take more than an hour before they finally disappear from the outside air. So each time when I opened a window and/or door to let in a bit of fresh oxygen, that's when I was very often poisoning myself without even being aware of what's causing it.

Now that I can see what goes on because my Dyson has a built-in sensor and a display that instantaneously reacts to changes, I can decide to keep all my doors and windows shut whenever it is appropriate to do so. But sooner or later I have to reopen my window because nobody can breathe without oxygen. The idea, then, is to ventilate the room really fast so that I can close the window again within only few minutes after that, thereby stopping the nitrogen dioxide from continuously entering the room whilst at the same time also using the high power capability of the Dyson in order to purify the room again, also really fast. So basically I keep the inner door of the room closed until the Dyson has finished purifying the room, as doing that is what prevents the nitrogen dioxide from spreading into the rest of the house. After that, I let the oxygen spread from the room into the main corridor. At long last breathing clean air makes me feel like moving from smoking to vaping all over again. Such an incredible relief.

 

[AstroTurf]

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[AstroTurf]

house plants...

 

[UlkaHuren]

Ok, so I have a recommendation. I was just scanning air purifiers and CADR ratings for a respectable purifier. The trouble has always been that so many are terrible including high dollar ones and some have “hi tech” features that are crap. After some browsing I spotted this Winix, which is built on the same platform as my Electrolux. It has very respectable CADR ratings that are close to mine. It’s rated at 360 sq ft. Mine is 500 sq ft. It has the same 5 level air quality sensor display and can automatically turn up the fan if it detects chemicals, smoke, and such in the air. Amazon has it for $139 which is really low compared to mine which years back was going for around $250. I can recommend this one as a solid quality purifier.

A friend has a variant of this model and it looks to be a very good unit. She paid quite a bit more some years back. She has asthma and is very sensitive to air quality and needs effective air cleaning. The CADR rating of effective filtering is about 240 vs mine at about 260. Compare that with the typical inexpensive ones such as a Honeywell which scores a very low 50. Like mine this Winix is pretty quiet in auto mode, but puts out a torrent in high speed if it senses impurities.

A number of pricy “hi tech” models don’t even have a CADR rating which tells you how deceptive these things get. They dazzle you with fancy looks and features that don’t live up to the hype.

Winix 5500-2 Air Purifier with True HEPA, PlasmaWave and Odor Reducing Washable AOC Carbon Filter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D8DAYII/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_3DDIBbDENZ1S5

 

[Rossum]

nitrogen dioxide, which is known to be carcinogenic

Got some kind of citation for that?

Nitrogen oxides are not thought to be carcinogenic agents (Valavanidis et al. 2008). Rather, they serve as a marker for other pollutants formed in high-temperature combustion of fossil fuels, a mixture that also includes fine particles.
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1408882

 

[sdennislee]

Well it isn't going to help very much if all you want is to quickly get rid of all your exhaled vapor production if you chain cloud chase in every room of your house, but I live in an area where nitrogen dioxide, which is known to be carcinogenic, is very frequently reaching alarming concentrations, often multiple times per day with very strong peaks that usually take more than an hour before they finally disappear from the outside air. So each time when I opened a window and/or door to let in a bit of fresh oxygen, that's when I was very often poisoning myself without even being aware of what's causing it.

Now that I can see what goes on because my Dyson has a built-in sensor and a display that instantaneously reacts to changes, I can decide to keep all my doors and windows shut whenever it is appropriate to do so. But sooner or later I have to reopen my window because nobody can breathe without oxygen. The idea, then, is to ventilate the room really fast so that I can close the window again within only few minutes after that, thereby stopping the nitrogen dioxide from continuously entering the room whilst at the same time also using the high power capability of the Dyson in order to purify the room again, also really fast. So basically I keep the inner door of the room closed until the Dyson has finished purifying the room, as doing that is what prevents the nitrogen dioxide from spreading into the rest of the house. After that, I let the oxygen spread from the room into the main corridor. At long last breathing clean air makes me feel like moving from smoking to vaping all over again. Such an incredible relief.

Got it

 

[dripster]

Ok, so I have a recommendation. I was just scanning air purifiers and CADR ratings for a respectable purifier. The trouble has always been that so many are terrible including high dollar ones and some have “hi tech” features that are crap. After some browsing I spotted this Winix, which is built on the same platform as my Electrolux. It has very respectable CADR ratings that are close to mine. It’s rated at 360 sq ft. Mine is 500 sq ft. It has the same 5 level air quality sensor display and can automatically turn up the fan if it detects chemicals, smoke, and such in the air. Amazon has it for $139 which is really low compared to mine which years back was going for around $250. I can recommend this one as a solid quality purifier.

A friend has a variant of this model and it looks to be a very good unit. She paid quite a bit more some years back. She has asthma and is very sensitive to air quality and needs effective air cleaning. The CADR rating of effective filtering is about 240 vs mine at about 260. Compare that with the typical inexpensive ones such as a Honeywell which scores a very low 50. Like mine this Winix is pretty quiet in auto mode, but puts out a torrent in high speed if it senses impurities.

A number of pricy “hi tech” models don’t even have a CADR rating which tells you how deceptive these things get. They dazzle you with fancy looks and features that don’t live up to the hype.

Winix 5500-2 Air Purifier with True HEPA, PlasmaWave and Odor Reducing Washable AOC Carbon Filter https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01D8DAYII/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_3DDIBbDENZ1S5

CADR ratings are useless. Kinda like pulse ratings on batteries.

Clean Air Delivery Rate (CADR) | Dyson

 

[tailland]

If it hasn't been said already:
Watch out that the device you choose does not produce ozone, or if it does, in negligible amounts, because otherwise, you won't be in that room while the device works and for an entire hour after it stopped working.

 

[dripster]

Got some kind of citation for that?

Nitrogen oxides are not thought to be carcinogenic agents (Valavanidis et al. 2008). Rather, they serve as a marker for other pollutants formed in high-temperature combustion of fossil fuels, a mixture that also includes fine particles.
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1408882

Lung Cancer and Exposure to Nitrogen Dioxide and Traffic: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

EDIT: For more recent publications related to this subject, you can scroll through the "Cited By" section on the right of this page:
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1408882

 

[Nermal]

It's been years since I had an air purifier, so I only have one suggestion. Before making a final selection, do consider the cost and hassle of replacing the filters. Also, the availability of the filters. This is an ongoing expense, which is something I'm not fond of.

Oh, let me confirm the comment on ozone from tailland.

 

[Rossum]

Lung Cancer and Exposure to Nitrogen Dioxide and Traffic: A Systematic Review and Meta-Analysis

EDIT: For more recent publications related to this subject, you can scroll through the "Cited By" section on the right of this page:
https://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/doi/10.1289/ehp.1408882

All I see here is correlation, not causation, and the correlation exists because the same sources that produce oxides of nitrogen also produce other pollutants (primarily fine particulates, i.e. "soot") that do cause cancer. Don't get me wrong, there are other reasons why oxides of nitrogen are an undesirable pollutant, but you're perpetuating the same sort of error that has many people believing that nicotine causes cancer.

 

[UlkaHuren]

CADR ratings are useless. Kinda like pulse ratings on batteries.

Clean Air Delivery Rate (CADR) | Dyson

It’s not the only thing that matters. It needs to be effectively engineered with a good filtering system. I’ve seen what my Electrolux EL500AZ does with smoke and odors in my house in short order. I have an original Dyson purple vacuum i got a deal on years back and it’s been a great vacuum. I don’t doubt that Dyson’s purifier is the real deal. It looks to use a similar filtering system to my Electrolux, but has a much higher price tag.