Is this a problem with my juice, my clearo or is it just me? Weird noob problem inside.

[Abe_Katz]

Okay, last Saturday I bought some hardware, a Kanger T3, A CE4 V3 clearomizer. I of course got my usual juice in my usual strength. But I have noticed something strange. I recently got over a rather bad case of vaper's tongue (been tobacco free for three weeks) But I noticed something. While for the most part my sense of taste is back, and I can indeed taste my juices, when I put them in the Kanger I get a cooling, menthol-like sensation while I vape.

While this was not true for the last ml of Papa Smurf that I had (Yes I couldn't taste it while I had vaper's tongue but it smells so good--good smelling juice is a must in my book), it was true for the crispy treats (which I also finally tasted the marshmallow in--quite enjoyable). But that was after I brushed my teeth, and went away after about a ml of vaping that replaced by the cereal-marshmallow goodness that is the juice. After I finished that off, I cleaned my Kanger, dried it well, did a dry burn and re-loaded it with the cowboy which from memory of vaping it before having vaper's tongue (I like cowboy a lot) should have a tobacco-honey like flavor, more on the honey side maybe a little caramel. That cooling menthol-like sensation is back.

I ate a butterscotch hard candy to see if was my taste buds directly, but I couldn't taste that well sensation (it isn't really a taste--how can cool temperature be a taste). I also don't get it when I drink my raspberry flavored water (unflavored water is being really unpleasant tasting right now for some reason but must keep hydrated) and I'm certainly not tasting it during eating.

So I'm wondering if one of the 'symptoms' of one's sense of taste recovering, or one's tongue not being covered in tobacco tar is misinterpreting the airflow as coolness or if there may be an unseen problem in my device, or if it is perhaps a misinterpretation of nicotine hitting the tongue (I'm using 24mg for all of my juices except for the Cowboy which is mixed down with distilled water to 21.5mg--so I'm using a quite high nic content).

 

[EddardinWinter]

Have you tried other clearos to see it the condition persists?

 

[Abe_Katz]

I did experiment in a boge carto--and I'm still getting that "cooling" sensation. No the juice doesn't have any menthol in it--its a tobacco juice that isn't mentholated and I didn't buy any menthol yet to start experimenting with it. (though I was planning on seeing about adding a touch of menthol to it at some point)

I've not loaded up any other cartos with the crispy treats to try that juice--I'm trying to conserve it as I'm planning on getting something different for my usual 10ml bottle (to try highly recommended juices). I generally get a 30ml of a juice I really love, and a 10ml juice to try if I'm not turned off by the smell, or the taste if I sample it from the juice bar. (So far I'm mostly limiting myself to the local B&M--not ready to start ordering juice sight unseen yet.)

Though in the carto I taste more honey, while in the T3 I'm tasting more of a honey sweetened-green tea like flavor. But both are having that "sensation".

I wouldn't be surprised it it is just me, it shouldn't be the juice if there isn't that much variation between the carto and the T3. And I don't see any phyiscal problems with the Kanger. Fortunately the taste isn't unpleasant per se, just not what I'm expecting.

 

[Ken_A]

Sounds like you are starting to get the feeling back in your mouth. I had a similar thing happen. after a few weeks I could tell the temperature of my vape. I prefer a cooler vape, so mostly use bottom coils.

 

[Abe_Katz]

Ah. That would explain it. As I said it wasn't so much a taste as it was a "sensation". Good, I can live with it being a problem with me--it will pass--I would have been more upset if it was the Kanger. I really like the Kanger it can handle the thicker juices that the other clearomizers just don't seem to be able to, and I like that it isn't position sensitive.

 

[Over_Stimulation]

btw, have u tried a vivi nova?

 

[Abe_Katz]

btw, have u tried a vivi nova?

Not yet, so far my vape budget hasn't allowed for a vivi nova. I hear that some love them, others hate them. That said so far I have liked most of the top coil stardust types, so I probably won't hate it.

 

[Over_Stimulation]

they have 2 sizes the regular at 3.5, the mini at 2.0 ml...they cost $10 and come with 3 replacement heads...get the mini...PM me if u don't like it, I'll send u a $20 walmart card...

 

[Abe_Katz]

they have 2 sizes the regular at 3.5, the mini at 2.0 ml...they cost $10 and come with 3 replacement heads...get the mini...PM me if u don't like it, I'll send u a $20 walmart card...

If I get one it would likely be the 2 mL one. I don't like having loaded heads floating all over the place and I try to change my flavors throughout the day so smaller clearomizers and tank systems work better for my vape-style. That said if I didn't like it, it would likely be due to a major mechanical flaw in the design (apart from the one all top coils have).

 

[Snapdragon]

I would suggest going with the 3.5 Vivi Nova over the smaller one. I noticed that I seem to go though a lot more juice with the 2ml, for some strange reason and recently read here on the Forum that it's actually a well known anomaly.

I really like the Kanger T3 because of the bottom coil but they don't look so great on a Provari (need an adapter) so I'm really looking forward to the Kanger Pro.

Good luck with your tongue

 

[Abe_Katz]

Okay I've been losing taste again. I'm wondering if anyone has had experience with high nic juices dulling their pallet particularly if their vape pattern usually involves the vapor being in their mouth for a good bit of time (I usually hold the vapor in my mouth for about 3-5 seconds) before inhaling and then exhaling. I generally vape at 21.5mg I cut many of my juices with distilled water (because I've had difficulty finding USP grade PG--and thickness is an issue for CE4s).

I'm also wondering if this could be an issue of pg or vg coating my tongue as I find that drinking flavored water (plain water doesn't seem to help with this), green tea (hot or iced sweetened slightly with stevia) coffee (black with maybe stevia), hard candy and oral hygiene procedures help.

All my juices are at least 50% pg. The Cowboy (the one I cut usually) after cutting works out to be 65%pg 25%vg and 10%H2O, the Coquito is 50/50 and Crispy Treats is 60/40.

 

[darkstorm]

Out of curiosity, why are you cutting your juice with water? Its a poor flavor conductor, turns to vapor at a lower temp....That could greatly reduce your ability to perceive the flavor of your juice even if only adding a small percentage. It would be better to thin/cut with PG IMHO. I have never had PG or VG leave any coating on my tongue or teeth but there is a phenomena were you can wear out your taste buds by using the same flavor or strong flavors. One way around this is using contrasting flavors through out the day.

 

[Abe_Katz]

Generally to cut the nicotine. 24mg is usually too high for me, but 18mg and I was chain vaping. Though I will likely be dropping my nic level down to 18 this next pay period. Also I've not been able to find any grade of PG let alone USP grade locally. Otherwise I probably would have cut with PG instead.

Also I do rotate my flavors quite frequently.

 

[daventura]

Brush your tongue.

Eat something peppery, like peppered beef jerky.

You'll thank me later.

They have PG at CVS.

Or is that VG?

 

[darkstorm]

Have you checked vet supply shops and pharmacies for PG? If you are cutting with water make sure to use distilled, but still not recommended due to the lower vapor point and poor flavor characteristics of water. If you PM me your address I will be happy to send you a couple 15ml bottles of PG to get you through. With the flavor mixing they have to be contrasting flavors. Going from a sweet tobacco to rice crispy may not be enough to keep your tongue interested. The flavor profiles are similar. Consider a tart fruit or a menthol vape to contrast the sweet stuff.

 

[darkstorm]

Brush your tongue.

Eat something peppery, like peppered beef jerky.

You'll thank me later.

They have PG at CVS.

Or is that VG?

Thats VG. PG takes a little more work to find generally. (Particularly in smaller quantities)

 

[Abe_Katz]

Brush your tongue.

Eat something peppery, like peppered beef jerky.

You'll thank me later.

They have PG at CVS.

Or is that VG?

CVS carries VG. I use it to cut with when I'm going to put the juice in cartos or bottom coil clearomizers. Those seem to handle thicker juices better than top coil clearomizers (at least in my experience).

I'll have to try the peppery food treatment. I know that cinnamon candy helps a bit, well sometimes.

 

[Abe_Katz]

Have you checked vet supply shops and pharmacies for PG? If you are cutting with water make sure to use distilled, but still not recommended due to the lower vapor point and poor flavor characteristics of water. If you PM me your address I will be happy to send you a couple 15ml bottles of PG to get you through. With the flavor mixing they have to be contrasting flavors. Going from a sweet tobacco to rice crispy may not be enough to keep your tongue interested. The flavor profiles are similar. Consider a tart fruit or a menthol vape to contrast the sweet stuff.

Checked the local pharmacies. Walgreens and CVS didn't carry it. Wal-Mart obviously not, though I could order it. I try to not order things off the internet if I can help it, I'm needing to get a pre-paid credit card to limit the fraud potential there. I'll have to see about vet supply shops, I'm not aware of any in my area but that doesn't mean they aren't around.

If I can't find it though I might have to convert over to carto-tanks and T3s. Those handle thick juice with far fewer issues than top coil clearomizers seem to.

As to the contrasting flavors, I didn't even consider that--which is odd considering I'm a chef you'd think I would have suspected that immediately--I may have to add a couple of tart flavors and find a menthol or two that I like. I didn't care for menthol cigarettes but I do like mentholated nasal snuffs. So far though the flavors I've liked have a generally sweet profile.

Of my current favorites: Cowboy is a sweet honey like tobacco with some grassy notes.
Papa Smurf is supposedly blueberries, strawberries and cream, but to me it tastes like a blueberry strudel.
Cripsy Treats is definitely cereal-like with nutty notes and a subtle marshmallow note.
Coquito has an over all tone of coconut (which is to be expected given the name is Spanish for "little coconut") and has hints of cinnamon/nutmeg or spiced rum.

So yes those four are sweet dominated, I might need a sour, and a menthol.

 

[darkstorm]

The only problem with the vet supply shops is the application. Its used in large animal medicine (wont go into details here) so they generally sell it by the gallon.

Nice to meet a fellow chef. You would be amazed at how well cooking/tasting ability translates into making your own custom juices. Since you are experienced with building and layering flavors you simply must try DIY at your nearest opportunity.

 

[Abe_Katz]

The only problem with the vet supply shops is the application. Its used in large animal medicine (wont go into details here) so they generally sell it by the gallon.

Yeah a gallon would be a bit much for my needs. Considering that I add 1 mL to 10mL of 24mg to get 21.5mg a gallon would last a really really long time. Though probably not if I did more DIY.