Is vaping more dangerous than we think?

[Racehorse]

I believe the excessive flavorings force peoples tastebuds into another form of half coma (olfactory fatigue) - making them believe they need a lot of them to taste anything.

I have found this to be true with food as well as eliquid.
I dunno how many of my friends can even TASTE the essence of the thing they are eating, they slather everything with too much salt, or cheese, or ketchup or sauces. I can eat a fresh stringbean and it tastes sweet and delicious to me, perfect, actually. I have trained my taste buds to do that, and figured I'd try same thing w/vaping.......and it worked.

If I buy vendor juice I can cut by 50% and sometimes it still tastes too sweet or strong to me.

 

[Alien Traveler]

Ahhhh............... so you read MAO ..........or the 300 others ................

Not really understand your reply.
Just in case - MAO is natural ingredient of tobacco.

 

[aceswired]

I feel like the many people are too cocky about the healthiness of vaping. There are many harmful chemicals in the flavoring of the liquids. Sure, the ingredients may be "safe for consumption", but not necessarily for inhalation. I.e., popcorn lung, etc..

At this time I still support vaping as a crutch to quit smoking, but I worry about those who have picked up vaping recreationally.

Some folks are VERY invested is believing it entirely safe. Any suggestions even raising questions will be treated with hostility. The truth is that there are unknowns. We've chosen to accept that.

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[Alien Traveler]

I think the point Asylumsix is trying to make is that cigarette companies are adding chemicals, (like ammonia), to cigarettes to make them more addictive,

Ammonia will increase amount of free base nicotine. Easier to digest for body. How it can influence addictiveness?
By the way some nicotine sellers of nicotine (for example myfreedonsmokes) proudly advertize they sell pure free base nicotine :
UnFlavored Nicotine E-Liquid Base
So, do you believe it is highly addictive?

which is one of the points the paper is making. Also adding things to mask symptoms of smoking related illnesses.

And this part of discussed paper is completely unproved.
Yes, tobacco companies are guilty in supressing research of dangers of smoking. Of making smoking more pleasurable. But everything else - it is the same story as with vaping. Demonization.

From the link that Asylumsix provided,

"Similar to the findings of previous studies, our results show that the tobacco industry used additives (1) that enhance or maintain nicotine delivery and could increase the addictiveness of cigarettes and (2) that mask symptoms and illnesses associated with smoking behavior."

"Previous research18,21,114 makes it clear that the industry expended significant resources to develop and use methods to increase free base nicotine via ammonia technology and other methods."

"Unregulated botanical and chemical additives might have “multiple use” purposes, such as enhancing flavor and providing for a “smoother” smoking experience as well as preventing or masking symptoms associated with illnesses induced by smoking."

 

[VNeil]

Ammonia will increase amount of free base nicotine. Easier to digest for body. How it can influence addictiveness?
By the way some nicotine sellers of nicotine (for example myfreedonsmokes) proudly advertize they sell pure free base nicotine :
UnFlavored Nicotine E-Liquid Base
So, do you believe it is highly addictive?


And this part of discussed paper is completely unproved.
Yes, tobacco companies are guilty in supressing research of dangers of smoking. Of making smoking more pleasurable. But everything else - it is the same story as with vaping. Demonization.

The paper makes the point that little research is done on all the additives in cigs. Leaving all of us speculating on that they do. BT is free to pretty much add what they want, without any testing, at least put into the public domain.

In the meantime, the Congress and the FDA has made it nearly impossible to enter the cigarette market, much less even expand the product line. So if someone wanted to bring a more "organic" or "natural" cigarette to market, they couldn't. FDA has stuck smokers with the concoctions BT cares to add.

My fear is that over the long term the same thing will happen to vaping. Once Deeming is in place, BT will own the market and they will be free to put what they want into their cigalikes, just as they did with cigs. And the FDA will look the other way once they have the total control and taxation they want. Time to stockpile some more nic....

 

[bloodless2010]

As soon as I read 'popcorn lung' I realised you're one of the fear mongering sheep that believe everything they see in the news and act like they are a messenger from god. Please, worry about your own health first, not the health of others, sure diacetyl is bad, and is known to be bad, it's been known to be bad for a looong time, new study, old information. Even if diacetyl would be present in all eliquids (which it isn't) it would still be 95% better than smoking, until someone dies as a direct result of vap

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

But everything else - it is the same story as with vaping. Demonization.

more than 100 of 599 documented cigarette additives have pharmacological actions. Previous research18,21,22 has documented extensive efforts by the tobacco industry to use additives to mask the presence of ETS by reducing the visibility, odor, and irritability of tobacco smoke.

There's a reason they are being ADDED..... Demonization? Hell yes demonize tobacco cigarettes they murder 68000 children a year with second hand smoke...

 

[Stubby]

As soon as I read 'popcorn lung' I realised you're one of the fear mongering sheep that believe everything they see in the news and act like they are a messenger from god. Please, worry about your own health first, not the health of others, sure diacetyl is bad, and is known to be bad, it's been known to be bad for a looong time, new study, old information. Even if dactyl would be present in all eliquids (which it isn't) it would still be 95% better than smoking, until someone dies as a direct result of vap

I am going to use you as an example that even many e-cig advocates actually overestimate the risk. The 95% number is incorrect, though it is widely used since the study out the UK came out. The precise number is unknown, but about 99% less harmful then smoking is far more likely to be the case. Even that 1% is largely theoretical. It is quite possible vaping could have a beneficial effect on health because of nicotines beneficial effect on age related cognitive issues.

There has been decades of bad information on smoking, initially from the tobacco companies on one side, and in more recent decades the tobacco control industry on the other. That bad information is now carried over to vaping (look at Asylums x postings). Having gone over this thread it is clear that for some the problem isn't that we are underestimating the risk, but that we are overestimating it, sometimes by a wide margin.

 

[DC2]

Hell yes demonize tobacco cigarettes they murder 68000 children a year with second hand smoke...

I'm gonna have to go with a reverse "like" on this one.


I'm no fan of cigarettes, or cigarette companies.
But the second hand smoke crap is more than I can take.

 

[Rizzyking]

Second hand smoke is up there with all the scare mongering currently going on with vaping it was science with the aim of getting the public to accept draconian limits on tobacco smoking just as they are going to do with vaping. In the UK a popular entertainer was held up as proof positive of second hand smoke damage as we were told he'd never smoked in his life but quite a few people that had known him in those damage years said he had smoked. Vaping is no different to any other decision you make as an adult do the research, weigh the pros and consistent and choose and once you have live with it. Don't understand this thing in some people these days where they choose to do things then constantly look for negatives waste of time and effort.

 

[Alien Traveler]

I am going to use you as an example that even many e-cig advocates actually overestimate the risk. The 95% number is incorrect, though it is widely used since the study out the UK came out. The precise number is unknown, but about 99% less harmful then smoking is far more likely to be the case. Even that 1% is largely theoretical. It is quite possible vaping could have a beneficial effect on health because of nicotines beneficial effect on age related cognitive issues.

You are right. Let's set age limit on vaping at 60.

 

[bigdancehawk]

There's a reason they are being ADDED..... Demonization? Hell yes demonize tobacco cigarettes they murder 68000 children a year with second hand smoke...

Where are you coming up with that number? Smoking cigarettes is quite harmful, but the second hand smoke scare is pure propaganda carefully designed to marginalize smokers, demonize them in the eyes of people such as yourself, and make them feel guilty. According to a number of recent studies, there is no viable evidence that second hand smoke causes significant harm. For example, a study conducted at Stanford and published HERE in the National Cancer Institute Journal. Speaking of murder, this same kind of propaganda campaign is now being extended to vaping. If this campaign discourages smokers from switching, as it almost certainly will, it is genocide on a scale not seen since Pol Pot.

 

[mattiem]

There's a reason they are being ADDED..... Demonization? Hell yes demonize tobacco cigarettes they murder 68000 children a year with second hand smoke...

This is sarcasm --- Right ? You don't really believe this -- Do You ? I want to believe that it is sarcasm.

 

[Canadian_Vaper]

smoke particulates float in the air although cooler than when first inhaled remain mostly in their original form, the average person only takes 15 puffs off a cigarette, someone perpetually in an environment where people are constantly smoking is basically a smoker themselves.

Second hand vapor on the otherhand is mostly non toxic, most of the nicotine binds to our lungs, the nicotine your exposed to is equivalent to eating a couple tablespoons of eggplant in most cases.. the toxicity comes down to diacetyl/acetoin pretty much however there isn't any factual proof that diacetyl is toxic in our application since human testing goes against ethics and no problems have showed up in vapers.

 

[Seesull]

Cigarettes also contain the toxins that cause popcorn lung. Not one person has gotten popcorn lung from cigarettes and they contain more of those toxins than what is released from Vaping

 

[Loser]

I ride a motorbike and smoke cigarettes but I want to move to vaping. Do I think I'll live longer? Who cares?

 

[MyMagicMist]

I ride a motorbike and smoke cigarettes but I want to move to vaping. Do I think I'll live longer? Who cares?

Kind of goes along with an expression me and wife toss at each other. "Live right, eat right, pray right, exercise right, do it all right ... die anyway."

 

[Vapez]

I feel like there are too many posts about Diacetyl right now and the fear mongering is out of control.

This is blown out of proportions. Diacetyl found in cigarettes are an issue. In most liquids there's so little diacetyl there's almost nothing to worry about. If this is such a big problem for people, buy certified diacetyl free juices.

E-cigarettes are much better for the health than cigarettes and that's a fact. One thing that is what could be the most dangerous about e cigarettes are flavoring. Inhaling flavors all day, everyday I believe is not healthy. But that also got a solution, vape flavorless nic bases I use flavoring and I'm not too worried.

 

[Vapez]

And what bugs me the most about "research" is that they just call them "e-cigarettes".

"We found *** in e-cigarettes"
"74% of e-cigarettes contain ****"
And going.. Do you mean crappy made cigalikes? Different kinds of juices? Prefilled carto's? I mean, there's so much out there that even if what they found was true, what is it? None of the research claiming "e-cigarettes" are that and that and contain this and that are reliable. Explain which juices, which equipment you have researched at least.

 

[Bunnykiller]

we are all gonna die... so why not enjoy life while we are alive... I enjoy vaping