is vaping the new smoking?
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No, I don't. I think government after government will ban these. I think ruses will be tried, and fail, to get them approved in any fashion. Big tobacco will continue to own much of the world outside the big economic powers. Economic facts alone mean a Kenyan won't be gaily e-puffing anytime soon.
Besides, too many smokers try these and go "ptuuuiiii" at them. They are not cigarettes and don't replicate smoking. The public is against them (read any comments you want following news stories). I think a minority the size of cigar and/or pipe smokers might take this up long-term -- if these remain legal to import and use.
I'm still of the opinion that most smokers have to WANT to quit to become successful e-smokers. A device alone can't get a smoker off cigarettes. It can help. But there must be a desire. People buying e-cigs "to try" don't have that will. A few might succeed in staying off, but these few don't amount to sweeping the world.
I'm also growing more certain day by day that e-smoking has CONSEQUENCES. We just haven't figured them all out yet. It will only take one bad consequence today to tarnish tomorrow.
Besides, too many smokers try these and go "ptuuuiiii" at them. They are not cigarettes and don't replicate smoking. The public is against them (read any comments you want following news stories). I think a minority the size of cigar and/or pipe smokers might take this up long-term -- if these remain legal to import and use.
I'm still of the opinion that most smokers have to WANT to quit to become successful e-smokers. A device alone can't get a smoker off cigarettes. It can help. But there must be a desire. People buying e-cigs "to try" don't have that will. A few might succeed in staying off, but these few don't amount to sweeping the world.
I'm also growing more certain day by day that e-smoking has CONSEQUENCES. We just haven't figured them all out yet. It will only take one bad consequence today to tarnish tomorrow.
not until they are cheaper and more reliable , as it stands in the last month i have spent well over $500 on vaping , dead batteries , broken atomizers , leaking nicotine carts... you have to want it , it's honestly a pain in the ... , but well worth it in my opinion
Tbob,
There are lots of posts on this forum from people who did not intend to stop smoking, tried e-cigs and then found that they HAD stopped smoking. For these people it was not a question of willpower at all - it just happened that way. I am one of them.
You mention consequences - care to give an example? Which ones have we figured out? What is your certainty based on? Is it a hunch?
talk about a pessimist. the only consequence that e-smoking could have that could tarnish tomorrow is if it caused weiners to fall off.
analogs cause cancer at an alarming rate, anything short of that is an improvement. taking a vape of nicotine and PG might not be like eating an apple a day, but i highly doubt its any worse than regular stogies.
what would the government ban...the e-cig device....the prefilled carts or the juice?
i believe in the long run...we will get our vaping on.
if it was truly bad for us...we would have heard all the horror stories by now
i believe in the long run...we will get our vaping on.
if it was truly bad for us...we would have heard all the horror stories by now
Fair enough, but that's a pity. I was curious as to the consequences that you were concerned about. Perhaps you'll express them in another thread.
Wow TropicalBob, You're a little ray of sunshine 
Personally, I think they will eventually be regulated and taxed but available over the counter in most countries. The potential for lives to be saved and the subsequent reduction of health care costs in western nations with socialized medicine (all nations except the US) is too large a carrot for even the powerful special interests to overcome.
Going mainstream may take some of the fun of it, but it will make the entire experience much more reliable and far safer.
Personally, I think they will eventually be regulated and taxed but available over the counter in most countries. The potential for lives to be saved and the subsequent reduction of health care costs in western nations with socialized medicine (all nations except the US) is too large a carrot for even the powerful special interests to overcome.
Going mainstream may take some of the fun of it, but it will make the entire experience much more reliable and far safer.
I agree with wanting to read more of what you think about possible consequences.
In my opinion they cant be anywhere near the dangers of smoking tobacco cigarettes.
but i think we all like the way T-Bob always writes as a realist and looks at possiblities of what may happen with bans or the fda without being influenced by what he wants or thinks should happen.
plus hes such a good writer in general that if this was some sort of magazine we all worked for, and we had to vote on a leader or main writer i think most of us would vote for Bob.
i just wish he wouldnt judge some of the things or opinions,or comments we write and just get upset and leave a thread,,lol
some of us just write what comes to mind or in a not so serious way..
i dont think theres a right or wrong way to write.
but i think we all look forward to your unbiased and informative comments.
plus your penmenship and style of writing is so damn perfect,,lol
see, i cant even spell penmanship..
Think of it this way, if these things had originated in America, they would have never made it to the market in the state they are currently in, with all the flaws in the current designs, failure rate, and lack of clinical or any other form of testing. As of now, they are relegated to get rich quick schemes and infomercials, sold on websites along side feet detoxifying green tea band-aides and little wagons in shopping malls.
I love to smoke. Love it love it love it. I never intended to quit, just thought I'd use the ecig to suppliment my smoking. havnt smoked since, just puff away on my penstyle. You dont have to want to quit... sometimes it just happens. As for the new smoking.. I seriously hope not, smoking is deadly.
P.S. Am i the only person who dislikes the term "Vaping"?
P.S. Am i the only person who dislikes the term "Vaping"?
I didn't mean to be nasty! Honest. This was just such a happy thread that I didn't want to further throw realistic holy water on it.
When I say consequences, e-smoking will likely have all those associated with long-term use of nicotine: Hardening of the arteries, increased risk of stroke, erectile dysfunction, hearing loss and tinnitus, cold extremities, earlier decreased vision, premature skin aging. There are benefits to the intake of nicotine, but the bad stuff is a reality, too.
I don't worry at all about inhaling propylene glycol, but I do worry about the flavorings. No testing at all. What do they leave behind? How long would it be before those left-behind deposits might trigger a disease or condition? We have no idea at all. Never been tested. It's not foolish to question what we are coating our lungs with multiple times every day. Human lungs have never been coated with it before!
That's about all I meant by bowing out. I wasn't disgusted. I just felt like a reality check was a party pooper. And thanks so much for the kind words. I care both about e-smoking and my fellow e-smokers.
When I say consequences, e-smoking will likely have all those associated with long-term use of nicotine: Hardening of the arteries, increased risk of stroke, erectile dysfunction, hearing loss and tinnitus, cold extremities, earlier decreased vision, premature skin aging. There are benefits to the intake of nicotine, but the bad stuff is a reality, too.
I don't worry at all about inhaling propylene glycol, but I do worry about the flavorings. No testing at all. What do they leave behind? How long would it be before those left-behind deposits might trigger a disease or condition? We have no idea at all. Never been tested. It's not foolish to question what we are coating our lungs with multiple times every day. Human lungs have never been coated with it before!
That's about all I meant by bowing out. I wasn't disgusted. I just felt like a reality check was a party pooper. And thanks so much for the kind words. I care both about e-smoking and my fellow e-smokers.
Thanks for responding T-Bob,,
hopefully my ramble came across the way it was suppose to which was to be a complement on your honest opinions.
after re reading what i wrote i dont even understand what i wrote,,lol
your follow up to the question of consequences is a perfect example of why im glad you write about the positive AND negative possibilities.
example:
i never gave it much thought about the flavorings that are added.
good point and something to think about since it is going into our lungs etc,,
tropical bob....i understand your concern with artificial flavoring...but if it wasnt for that stuff...most of what we eat and drink would not exist..look at the ingredients of you favorite food...weither it be junk food, fast food, prepackaged food...you name it.
how could something like polysorbate 80 or monosodium glucomate...not sure of the spelling...make our favorite food taste good. artificial flavoring also plays a major part...i dont thing a bag of skittles has any real fruit in it
how could something like polysorbate 80 or monosodium glucomate...not sure of the spelling...make our favorite food taste good. artificial flavoring also plays a major part...i dont thing a bag of skittles has any real fruit in it
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