istick pico and nautilus 2 S, options and alternatives?
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No yeah I know. Just had to find a page with dimensions.
Dude/tte, there's a four centimeter height diff.. between the mods! [or am i reading the numbers wrong?]
Yes you are.
The Kroma mod is just slightly wider, slightly deeper and slightly taller than the pico. If you were install the same tank on both there is only about 6mm between them, the kroma being 6mm taller.Edit: Kroma mod dimensions are 68mm x 44.5 x 25 (all approx)
Its the step down from the pico's battery cap that lets the tank sit 6 or 7mm lower.
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I won an Invoke and I am so glad I did. I have 8 of them in my vacopalypse closet, and I got them on sale from eciggity I think it was for 26 bucks each.
It is smaller AND lighter than many 1 battery mods I own and it can take a beating. I have had mine in rotation for over 2 years and I am hard on mods. If you want MO POWAH and pocket friendly you could do a lot worse.
You could put a Zenith on it, it's a FABULOUS and pretty versatile tank but it is not small and it is rather heavy. If you want the small podlike version, well that would sit in your pocket nicely but if you don't want to refill or recharge you'd probably have to use one of the more MTL ones, at lower wattages.
I am not good with DL tanks or even crossover tanks. I do consider the Zenith a crossover because with the mesh coils you can make a lot of cloud. I enjoyed them but for me (this is just my experience) the flavor went FAST. My favorite coil is the 1.6 but everyone likes something different.
I would not get the N2S honestly.
If you want something TINY and crossoverish, I might suggest the Vapresso Target pro mini. It's an internal battery, but it is miniature and yeah you may need to refill but the tank is INFINITELY better than the Melo tanks. I can't stand them. Again,this is ONE opinion, but you have options.
Anna
It is smaller AND lighter than many 1 battery mods I own and it can take a beating. I have had mine in rotation for over 2 years and I am hard on mods. If you want MO POWAH and pocket friendly you could do a lot worse.
You could put a Zenith on it, it's a FABULOUS and pretty versatile tank but it is not small and it is rather heavy. If you want the small podlike version, well that would sit in your pocket nicely but if you don't want to refill or recharge you'd probably have to use one of the more MTL ones, at lower wattages.
I am not good with DL tanks or even crossover tanks. I do consider the Zenith a crossover because with the mesh coils you can make a lot of cloud. I enjoyed them but for me (this is just my experience) the flavor went FAST. My favorite coil is the 1.6 but everyone likes something different.
I would not get the N2S honestly.
If you want something TINY and crossoverish, I might suggest the Vapresso Target pro mini. It's an internal battery, but it is miniature and yeah you may need to refill but the tank is INFINITELY better than the Melo tanks. I can't stand them. Again,this is ONE opinion, but you have options.
Anna
Sorry, yes, it is. But there are other small(ish) mods that are better than the Pico, IMHO. Honestly, for me, Pico is just too small and doesn't feel comfortable in my hand--maybe I'm just used to larger mods. And that top battery cap is very annoying. I own a Pico and never use it.
How small do want your mod to be? Have you looked at the Asmodus Colossal (don't let the name fool you, it's only 76mm x 25mm x 40mm)? Is that too big? Great mod.
asMODus Colossal 80W Box Mod
I goofed! Edit: Kroma mod dimensions are 68mm x 44.5 x 25 (all approx) (thanks @Jebbn). I knew it was a small mod. I just couldn't find the metric dimensions of the mod alone anywhere.
ETA: Kroma A dimensions in inches: Dimensions: 2-11/16" x 1-3/4" x 15/16"
If Jebbn is right, the Kroma is smaller than the Pico???
Note to self, read the whole thread before you post.
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The one I found on heavengifts wth Crios is
Size: 112 x 47 x 24mm (without the tank)
this is a diff mod?
Innokin Kroma-A 75W TC
Caught a very bad review of Zlide, then better ones comparing it to 2S. They are cheaper. None of the online shops I've found have it. Gotta check the bigger place in town. Only amzn and we don't do that.
Colossal, found it with shops I didn't know. Double price of pico; is it at least not chinese?
btw, i'm starting to gather pico is simply popular with germanspeakers (probably on account of popular reviewers). Eleaf is generally more readily available.
4/5 sites don't have Kroma. Only amzn at 35 euro.
pico is 30. pico X is 35. at the small shops website. and they gotta 10% discount
mit einem Akku
Having gone over the thread, I realised selective reading/memory managed to overgloss the bathing in vomit story. If we're taking me into the great learning journey whereof this is part leave me ignorant. Starting to worry about battery types too, VG/PG percentage combined with nicotine and and coil-type and overpaying needlessly (and ending up paying to Phiplipmorris or a slave-powered chinese place.)
noticed in a review of zlide/zenith that the coils err... what's the term... smaller gaps_ that bad for 70vg?
my progress in the learinng report is this:
when i want to vape my 10-20mg nicsalt i need 1) high ohm coil, 2) low wattagge setting 3?) preferabbyl not too much VG(?)
with low nic (doesn't matter salt or free) 1) sub-ohm to 2) higher wattge 3) more VG [to make it thicker(?) and make up for hit(?) and involve the lung more(?)
I've noticed I been drawin harder and longer on the minifit, sometimes to a cough-y result. Is my repiratory tract trying to tell vocal tract something?
Size: 112 x 47 x 24mm (without the tank)
this is a diff mod?
Innokin Kroma-A 75W TC
Caught a very bad review of Zlide, then better ones comparing it to 2S. They are cheaper. None of the online shops I've found have it. Gotta check the bigger place in town. Only amzn and we don't do that.
Colossal, found it with shops I didn't know. Double price of pico; is it at least not chinese?
btw, i'm starting to gather pico is simply popular with germanspeakers (probably on account of popular reviewers). Eleaf is generally more readily available.
4/5 sites don't have Kroma. Only amzn at 35 euro.
pico is 30. pico X is 35. at the small shops website. and they gotta 10% discount
mit einem Akku
Having gone over the thread, I realised selective reading/memory managed to overgloss the bathing in vomit story. If we're taking me into the great learning journey whereof this is part leave me ignorant. Starting to worry about battery types too, VG/PG percentage combined with nicotine and and coil-type and overpaying needlessly (and ending up paying to Phiplipmorris or a slave-powered chinese place.)
noticed in a review of zlide/zenith that the coils err... what's the term... smaller gaps_ that bad for 70vg?
my progress in the learinng report is this:
when i want to vape my 10-20mg nicsalt i need 1) high ohm coil, 2) low wattagge setting 3?) preferabbyl not too much VG(?)
with low nic (doesn't matter salt or free) 1) sub-ohm to 2) higher wattge 3) more VG [to make it thicker(?) and make up for hit(?) and involve the lung more(?)
I've noticed I been drawin harder and longer on the minifit, sometimes to a cough-y result. Is my repiratory tract trying to tell vocal tract something?
Dude, I measured the one in front of me to give you those measurements!!
But if you want to spend more time googling try different search phrases.
"Innokin Kroma mod only" for example
Here you go
Features and Specs for Innokin Kroma-A Mod:
I prefer the Zenith 1.6 coil in a Zenith tank sitting on what ever mod I have over the Nauts
I like the Pico75 and Pico 25 because they have an external battery but the innokin Kroma mod is nice to use and out of the box has better temp control. Either the pico75 or Kroma is good for what you are trying to achieve imho
Good luck.
But if you want to spend more time googling try different search phrases.
"Innokin Kroma mod only" for example
Here you go
Features and Specs for Innokin Kroma-A Mod:
- Dimensions: 2-11/16" x 1-3/4" x 15/16"
- Comfortably Fits 24mm and Smaller Tanks
- AETHON Temperature Control Chipset
- 510 Threaded
- Battery Capacity: Built-in 2000mAh Battery
- Operating Wattage: 6.0 - 75.0 W
- Temperature Control: Nickel (Ni200), Titanium (Ti), Stainless Steel 316 (SS316)
- Temperature Range: 150 - 315C / 300 - 600F
- Minimum Resistance: 0.1ohm
- Recommend Resistance for TC Mode: Ni200 (0.1 - 0.2ohm), Ti (0.1 - 0.5ohm), SS316L (0.2 - 1.0ohm)
- OLED Display Screen
- 5V/2A Micro USB Fast Charge
- Vape While Charging Technology
- Precision Temperature Control
- Flip Screen Orientation
- Precise Reading: Resistance / Volts / Puff Counter
I prefer the Zenith 1.6 coil in a Zenith tank sitting on what ever mod I have over the Nauts
I like the Pico75 and Pico 25 because they have an external battery but the innokin Kroma mod is nice to use and out of the box has better temp control. Either the pico75 or Kroma is good for what you are trying to achieve imho
Good luck.
your desire to avoid Chinese products while searching simultaneously for a low cost device is likely doomed to failure. Almost everything ecig is made in China. There are a few exceptions but they are generally made in the EU and tend to be very expensive. Iirc only dicodes and kayfun are not chinese. There used to be some US made RDAs but I can’t recall any at the moment.
@Jebbn believe you. just wondered if i was looking at something else. coz that measured it at 112mm height without tank. thanks. So you arent in agreement with the pico haters? I ask as it sounds like the external battery means a longer life for the device(?)
@bombastinator no, i'd pay more if i was (more) comfortable with manufacturer. doubt there's anything i'm a 100% comfortable paying for moralitywise_
no one's dissed the pico X so far, just noticed.
who has headache yet?
last two i guess (@Katya thx for confirming previous post)
Korma or colossus? [unless there's objections to choice]
Zlide = zenith (despite the recommendation zlide seems slightly more convenient)
not to be hyper repetiitititive:
Since i am willing to carry two tanks around, one for each function... should they both be Zlide/Zenith or is there something else for the looser, more VG, lower nic vaping?
Also, anyone has suggestion on something to keep a second tank or second coil in (if I was to use only one Zlide)? I'm thinking an empty petrolium jelly box, and the damfaliquid plastic tube box the bottles come look pretty tight, gotta a ton of those at this point.
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this guy is reviewing the whole kit right? one can install all the tanks we've discussed on all these three?
@bombastinator no, i'd pay more if i was (more) comfortable with manufacturer. doubt there's anything i'm a 100% comfortable paying for moralitywise_
no one's dissed the pico X so far, just noticed.
who has headache yet?
last two i guess (@Katya thx for confirming previous post)
Korma or colossus? [unless there's objections to choice]
Zlide = zenith (despite the recommendation zlide seems slightly more convenient)
not to be hyper repetiitititive:
Since i am willing to carry two tanks around, one for each function... should they both be Zlide/Zenith or is there something else for the looser, more VG, lower nic vaping?
Also, anyone has suggestion on something to keep a second tank or second coil in (if I was to use only one Zlide)? I'm thinking an empty petrolium jelly box, and the damfaliquid plastic tube box the bottles come look pretty tight, gotta a ton of those at this point.
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this guy is reviewing the whole kit right? one can install all the tanks we've discussed on all these three?
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Any 22 mm tank will fit any of them. All the mods talked about use a standard 510 connection, meaning any tank with a 510 connection will work, which is essentially all the tanks on the market. The Pcio limits you to 22-23 mm tanks only. There is a Pico 25 which is a bit larger that can fit 24-25 mm tanks just like the AL85 in that review. I would avoid Smok products if you don't like cheap Chinese products that have poor quality control and fail sooner at higher rates. Vaporesso does make nice reliable products as well.
As to Zenith Zlide tanks and coils, I have used the Plexus/Plexus 3D "DL" coils (more pretty restricted dl than a full on dl cloud maker) and 70/30 VG juice works just fine and it wicks well. It's simply another option to compare to the Nautilus tank for the purpose of choice, not necessity.
Well, it's a matter of personal preference. Kroma A has an internal battery and much easier to use and charge--you don't have to buy extra charger and batteries. Asmodus is probably a better mod but it's larger and not as cute, and for your needs the Kroma is perfect.
Unless you really want to avoid Chinese products--then I would very much recommend a mini Dani box. German engineering and a price to match. Doesn't get any cuter or smaller:
Dani Box mini
I own both and like both, but Zlide is much more convenient. I would use the 1.6Ω coils for your salts (lowish wattage) and either the 0.8 or 0.5Ω coils for your regular lower nic eliquids.
First try the Zenith/Zlide. I think they are the best tanks for drop-in coils and pretty reliable.
Any sturdy plastic container will do. Or a small pillbox.
Good luck!
@virm just about every site lists the height measurement of the Kroma mod with a tank on it. I dont know why.
Here is a pic of the kroma mod with a zenith compared to a Vaptio Wall Crawler and a Wake Mod Co. Littlefoot. The Vptio Wall Crawler mod measures 73 x 50 x 28.5mm, without a tank
Pico 25 is my favourite mod just for size but I think the pico75 might be more robust.
Ive taken them apart and the Pico75 is just a pretty solid chunk of extruded aluminum.
I like the Kroma mod because it is the SAME SIZE as the Pico 25. The Kroma's temp control is pretty smooth even if it is a bit warmer than its reading.
I expect things as cheap as the pico's and kroma's to not last forever but Im into 18months with my original pico75 and about 20months in with my original Kroma.
I have back ups for both. I prefer external battery mods.
The limiting thing about the Pico75 is the maximum tank size, about 23mm. My DL rtas are all over 24mm and up to 28mm. Even some of my favourite mtl tanks and rta's are 24mm, so I cant use the pico75's with them.
The Pico X is no good to me because I cant run it with ArticFox. Also, despite its bigger size it can still only take 23mm and under tanks and rta's.
Zenith/zlide, it starts to be a bit like splitting hairs. They take the same coils and it becomes what features, functions and aesthetics appeal to an individual. I like the Zenith, the next door neighbour likes her Zlide. But I prefer my rta's by quite a lot to both.
Here is a pic of the kroma mod with a zenith compared to a Vaptio Wall Crawler and a Wake Mod Co. Littlefoot. The Vptio Wall Crawler mod measures 73 x 50 x 28.5mm, without a tank
Pico 25 is my favourite mod just for size but I think the pico75 might be more robust.
Ive taken them apart and the Pico75 is just a pretty solid chunk of extruded aluminum.
I like the Kroma mod because it is the SAME SIZE
as the Pico 25. The Kroma's temp control is pretty smooth even if it is a bit warmer than its reading.I expect things as cheap as the pico's and kroma's to not last forever but Im into 18months with my original pico75 and about 20months in with my original Kroma.
I have back ups for both. I prefer external battery mods.
The limiting thing about the Pico75 is the maximum tank size, about 23mm. My DL rtas are all over 24mm and up to 28mm. Even some of my favourite mtl tanks and rta's are 24mm, so I cant use the pico75's with them.
The Pico X is no good to me because I cant run it with ArticFox. Also, despite its bigger size it can still only take 23mm and under tanks and rta's.
Zenith/zlide, it starts to be a bit like splitting hairs. They take the same coils and it becomes what features, functions and aesthetics appeal to an individual. I like the Zenith, the next door neighbour likes her Zlide. But I prefer my rta's by quite a lot to both.
@Katya Meine Guete! Das ist almost 10 mal the price! I feel facesmacked with my moralizing? Almost like they build it on principle, not caring if it sells. Looks solid and doesn't have the battery protrusion despite the similar size and being exchangeable (if i understand right_)
i'm just looking at the picture here, but you think Kroma's cute?
@Jebbn no i checked it's 12cm. Kroma neh wark....
well, i'm gonna try and pass by the two shops today, def. see the ones that're closing shop and shifting to online to say goodbye (and scavenge whatever is left with a higher sale (they've been taking ten% off everyday)) try to hold what i can and if it's not too much more than online pick one up.
Support you local branch of larger business and all that
i'm just looking at the picture here, but you think Kroma's cute?
@Jebbn no i checked it's 12cm. Kroma neh wark....
well, i'm gonna try and pass by the two shops today, def. see the ones that're closing shop and shifting to online to say goodbye (and scavenge whatever is left with a higher sale (they've been taking ten% off everyday)) try to hold what i can and if it's not too much more than online pick one up.
Support you local branch of larger business and all that
Actual sizes for mods of a given type don’t change all that much. A few mm here and there. All single battery 18650 mods have to be able to hold one 18650 battery, and will try to do it while using as little extra space as possible. There’s more variation in LiPo mods because the battery shape can be changed. There isn’t much change in battery volume vs mah though. A 3000mah LiPo mod is going to be the same total size as a 18650 single battery mod. Iirc the ageis mini and ageis solo are basically the same device. The first is an internal LiPo while the second is removable battery. The Solo is maybe half a centimeter or less longer but it can also hold more mah.
SO___ errm...
apparently Zlide and Zenith got a seriously bad reputation here. Sale place knew them, and sasy it you won't find them in the whole country, except on amzn and that actually gets it from China. Other place never even heard of them. And they all don't seem to mind the Nauti 2S. First guy defended Melo, second said it's crap. The second said your only real choice is Nauti.
Found a Pico (the 75W) with 30% off_ that's 22Euro. That's a not a deal?
They all had the Nano (I think that's what it was) but said it's unstable plastic.
Between I asked to check out other stuff, but it all came with it's size and price...
Also_ I hate it when the exprts are talking against each other... The latter guy (if I understand the German) said 70VG is going to be heavy, even to subohm, as the weather gets colder, not impossible he said, but going to be tough...
With these, any or all, please_ yell on
apparently Zlide and Zenith got a seriously bad reputation here. Sale place knew them, and sasy it you won't find them in the whole country, except on amzn and that actually gets it from China. Other place never even heard of them. And they all don't seem to mind the Nauti 2S. First guy defended Melo, second said it's crap. The second said your only real choice is Nauti.
Found a Pico (the 75W) with 30% off_ that's 22Euro. That's a not a deal?
They all had the Nano (I think that's what it was) but said it's unstable plastic.
Between I asked to check out other stuff, but it all came with it's size and price...
Also_ I hate it when the exprts are talking against each other... The latter guy (if I understand the German) said 70VG is going to be heavy, even to subohm, as the weather gets colder, not impossible he said, but going to be tough...
With these, any or all, please_ yell on
In the cold it would get heavy. That's if you use it outside. It helps to keep the mod in an inside pocket. I use 70VG and don't have much of a problem.
carsd on the table... I did sorta kinda take the pico... err... i could return it... right away if you;re going to crack a whip or something. just remember it was 22 Euro...
Both sellers were a bit non-versatile when it came to tanks. Even when I said one for subohming one for the heavy nic, still 2S-ed me in the face. One saying it's the size with pico issue.
KHowever, from the stuff I dragged and dropped from the website of the small shop, there's at least a couple of Vaporesso's that are 23-mm... Don't what else. If anyone has the time to scroll thru it here is the link for the ready coils tanks.
Fertigcoil
1) can i use any of these instead of the N2S for the highohm-highnic?
2) do any of these have wider gaps than N2S to make sure the higher VG subohming isn't problematic? [I'm going off of what the guy said when I objected to his claim that VG would be heavy by saying my Aspire K4 was wunderbar with 70 VG: he said Cleito is bigger/wider and can handle VG better_ again apologies for lack of terminology, would've picked it up from him, but keeping up with the german and the terminology is too much multitasking]
oh and we talked about the non-chinese stuff, and he showed me his tank that's 300euros or something.
Both sellers were a bit non-versatile when it came to tanks. Even when I said one for subohming one for the heavy nic, still 2S-ed me in the face. One saying it's the size with pico issue.
KHowever, from the stuff I dragged and dropped from the website of the small shop, there's at least a couple of Vaporesso's that are 23-mm... Don't what else. If anyone has the time to scroll thru it here is the link for the ready coils tanks.
Fertigcoil
1) can i use any of these instead of the N2S for the highohm-highnic?
2) do any of these have wider gaps than N2S to make sure the higher VG subohming isn't problematic? [I'm going off of what the guy said when I objected to his claim that VG would be heavy by saying my Aspire K4 was wunderbar with 70 VG: he said Cleito is bigger/wider and can handle VG better_ again apologies for lack of terminology, would've picked it up from him, but keeping up with the german and the terminology is too much multitasking]
oh and we talked about the non-chinese stuff, and he showed me his tank that's 300euros or something.
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