It happened, bring on the antz - ECig Mod Explodes

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Rucerius

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I'd have to say it depends on the knowledge level of the user and the specs of the battery used. A mech in the hands of an inexperienced uneducated user is a bomb waiting to go off. Generally speaking a mech is inherently more dangerous than a regulated mod, especially in a newbs hands.

This user looked, acted, and sounded stoned out of his mind, especially for a 29 year old man. If it was only simple mechanical failure, yes I feel for the guy. If it was user error, it is his fault. If the Smoke Shop that sold him the mod and/or batts is selling inferior products, they are partially to blame as is the manufacturer(s). Blame can be placed depending on what the cause was.

According to this news story: 911 Caller Says Electronic Cigarette "Blew Up in My Hand" | NBC Southern California
"Chris" has been vaping for 6 years, one would hope that after 6 years of vaping he would have some idea what he's doing. I think there's more to the story than we're being told, and most likely will never hear the whole story.
 
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Looks like the profile of a wonky coil I wound last night...
 

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Which side are we talking about? Top or bottom? Bottom or top?

It's all such a Distorted Realm.

If I go Down, sooner or Later, I'm going Up to the Observer who travel the 1/2 of Distance of the Strip with respect to either Right/ Left of my Original Position.
 

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I have to admit that sometimes I get a bit nervous going to a local vape shop where lots of cloud chasers hang out. Everyone has their mech in hand with .1 builds. I don't care if a fool blows his own face off, but I am not excited about the possibility of someone else's mod shooting a projectile into my body just because I happened to be nearby.

I wish the whole mech mod thing would go away, but it probably wont. With the advance of regulated mods that can subohm, I see little reason to use them. Of course, this topic "to mech or not to mech" is highly contentious on these forums. I am fine with people making their own decisions and taking their own risks, but these things put other people at risk. That's the problem I have with the whole thing.

I suppose the real solution is safe battery chemistry and/or higher voltage batteries that don't require these insane amps. But, afaik, the technology isn't there yet.
 

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Laptops are not continuously pushing wire coils at sometimes damn near dead-shorted resistances, or pushing buck-boost converters nestled amongst poorly-designed / manufactured electronics either...

True, but the "expert" interviewed acted as if APVs are the only thing out there using dangerous Li ion batts. Plenty of other devices out there using the same type batts that have exploded or caught fire!
 

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According to this news story: 911 Caller Says Electronic Cigarette "Blew Up in My Hand" | NBC Southern California
"Chris" has been vaping for 6 years, one would hope that after 6 years of vaping he would have some idea what he's doing. I think there's more to the story than we're being told, and most likely will never hear the whole story.

Two other stories stated he had just purchased that APV from the Smoke Shop that was the backdrop in your link! Who knows, maybe he'd been using cig-a-likes for 6 years?

Like you said we'll probably never get the truth!

I have to admit that sometimes I get a bit nervous going to a local vape shop where lots of cloud chasers hang out. Everyone has their mech in hand with .1 builds. I don't care if a fool blows his own face off, but I am not excited about the possibility of someone else's mod shooting a projectile into my body just because I happened to be nearby.

I wish the whole mech mod thing would go away, but it probably wont. With the advance of regulated mods that can subohm, I see little reason to use them. Of course, this topic "to mech or not to mech" is highly contentious on these forums. I am fine with people making their own decisions and taking their own risks, but these things put other people at risk. That's the problem I have with the whole thing.

I suppose the real solution is safe battery chemistry and/or higher voltage batteries that don't require these insane amps. But, afaik, the technology isn't there yet.

I think mechs will eventually join the Corvair and Pinto, they are only as safe as the user. I agree that they can pose a risk to us all! However, before some angry mech user here tries to jump down my throat, I do not wish this to be accomplished by any legislation. The industry already appears to be moving away from mechs to regulated mods, so in a few years mechs will be hard to find. IMHO!
 
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There are more reasons to use a mech than wanting to do super low sub ohm(which by the way, wasn't even the case in this instance). When they make a regulated mod, that costs as little as a mech, but will still work after two years of being used and dropped, I'll consider getting one. I'm into durable, not disposable.
 

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There are more reasons to use a mech than wanting to do super low sub ohm(which by the way, wasn't even the case in this instance). When they make a regulated mod, that costs as little as a mech, but will still work after two years of being used and dropped, I'll consider getting one. I'm into durable, not disposable.

How do you know he didn't stay up all night watching YT and then rebuild one of his Atlantis coils down to 0.1Ω thinking lower is better?

I've seen more broken and damaged mech in my local shop that regulated in the last 3 months! And I just cannot understand why anyone would buy an RDA only to have to take it in every time it needs a new coil!
 

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I didn't read much but I know what has been said

in a perfect world it is really an user error, you won't sue Harley Davidson if you buy a motorcycle and get into an accident because you have no idea how to ride it. but as ecigs are on war this is ammunition for them. I've had a cell phone battery exploded on me, but because phones aren't being persecuted there is not much news about them, or at least not used as propaganda, just stuff that happens.

vape shops should have a warning or a caution label on these products and try to educate the customers but that is just courtesy. and don't sell a kit that doesn't match that combination was a disaster waiting to happen hybrid mod, low amp battery and a clearo that isn't suitable for direct battery contact

I completely agree with you, I'm new to external batteries and mech mods, I had bought a King mod, and a LG 18650 battery from a vape shop, and the owner told me absolutely nohing about the battery I didn't even know the brand, I had to take it upon myself to research it before hand, vape shops should be responsible for things like this, If I hadn't researched it myself and I blew half my face I'd probably be inclined to sue the jerk.

Long story short B&M's need to be teaching people these things, batteries and or mods need to come with warnings that are more in depth, and people need to start taking all these things much more seriously.
 

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How do you know he didn't stay up all night watching YT and then rebuild one of his Atlantis coils down to 0.1Ω thinking lower is better?
Even if he had, that wouldn't have been the issue. Using a hybrid top cap with an atomizer that doesn't have a sufficiently protruding center pin to keep it from shorting is most likely the issue.

I've seen more broken and damaged mech in my local shop that regulated in the last 3 months! And I just cannot understand why anyone would buy an RDA only to have to take it in every time it needs a new coil!
I can't understand why anyone would buy a rebuildable and not learn to rebuild it either. Maybe your local shop should do a better job of teaching their customers how to use and care for their gear. Or maybe they just like the repeat business?
 

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How do you know he didn't stay up all night watching YT and then rebuild one of his Atlantis coils down to 0.1Ω thinking lower is better?

I've seen more broken and damaged mech in my local shop that regulated in the last 3 months! And I just cannot understand why anyone would buy an RDA only to have to take it in every time it needs a new coil!

Sick clouds brah. And those people are the dangerous ones want to play in the low ohm playground with no meters, no knowledge of how to build their own coils, and check for shorts before firing them.

I have four RDA'S and when they need a new coil I sit my happy ... down coil them, test them, test fire them, wick them and then vape them. Does it make me immune to freak accidents? Nope but it puts me out ahead of the local b&m built my stuff crowd by a country mile. And I'm no vape master by any means but it's not hard which is why I can't defend those types needing a warnings and booklets to be safe.
 
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