It's 2028, what does vaping look like?

[DaveP]

vaping started as a way of getting off the cigs. If the supply of potential quitters dries up where will that leave vaping? Will it drive itself out of business? Will there eventually just be a dwindling clan of stubborn old ex-smokers at some point.

For me, vaping allowed me to get off the killer cigarettes and live longer. I never intended to quit smoking, but did thanks to vaping. I never intend to quit vaping. It allows me to continue the actions of the smoking habit without the terrible consequences of tars and carcinogens.

Kudos to Hon Lik, the Chinese pharmacist who invented vaping as a product for smokers who needed a healthier alternative to smoking!

 

[englishmick]

For me, vaping allowed me to get off the killer cigarettes and live longer. I never intended to quit smoking, but did thanks to vaping. I never intend to quit vaping. It allows me to continue the actions of the smoking habit without the terrible consequences of tars and carcinogens.

Kudos to Hon Lic, the Chinese pharmacist who invented the fix for smokers who needed a healthier alternative to smoking!

Maybe that's it. Vaping will continue as an alternative to smoking rather than a cure.

 

[ENAUD]

That sounds about right. To make vaping go away they would have had to close it down everywhere, and that ship has sailed.

Products that just work sounds good. B$$$ will do their best to fix it so that what's available are products that are expensive and don't work very well, like NRT's, but at a global level they will fail eventually.

Some folks like to tinker. There's a lot of us on this board. But my guess is most vapers would love something they didn't have to put a lot of time and effort into making work. The tinkerers will go on tinkering just because, just like with cars or stereos or anything else.

If you are right about the smoking rate going through the floor I wonder what the long term effect of that will be. Vaping started as a way of getting off the cigs. If the supply of potential quitters dries up where will that leave vaping? Will it drive itself out of business? Will there eventually just be a dwindling clan of stubborn old ex-smokers at some point.

There will most certainly be, " other" uses for vaping, just like now. Who knows, if it pans out to be as safe as is current understanding, time and study, along with product refinements and studies of individual juice components with an eye to safety, could make vaping just another of those adult life pleasures. It only takes but a short while, to sway the minds of the general public, when such a thing is needed or wanted...

 

[Letitia]

Though I did quit smoking with the help of vaping I have never looked upon it as a cure. In my mind it will remain the crutch that helped me quit a more harmful habit. The habit has simply taken a different form.

 

[CMD-Ky]

Though I did quit smoking with the help of vaping I have never looked upon it as a cure. In my mind it will remain the crutch that helped me quit a more harmful habit. The habit has simply taken a different form.

Absolutely agree. I view vaping as risk reduction rather than a cure. Seems similar to using a relatively less dangerous narcotic to escape a more dangerous narcotic. It it is far from unheard of in the therapeutic community.

 

[stols001]

Vaping would only "cure" smoking if you needed to do it once, kind of like a vaccine. Etc.

I do think if vaping makes progress, there could be far less smokers than vapers, but we'll have to see. I will say, of all harm reduction methods, vaping is "cure" for smoking, but in my eyes, only if I can continue to vape. I will say, it's a harm reduction method I don't "resent" the same way I did resent chewing nicotine gum for 6 months....

I will also say, vaping HAS to be the biggest harm reduction method (other than Swedish snus) to really work in the sense that I'm not thinking about smoking all the time.

The only prediction I can truthfully make (for me) is that they will pry my vapes out of my cold, dead hands. And then (even if they shot me) blame "vaping" for my death. LOL.

Anna

 

[Sickbxy]

That was already tried.

It didn't end well because the inventors couldn't handle people being mean on the internet. I think it was called the "precious snowflake v1". Or "ta-ew nebulizer". One of those.

It looks like it would never leave the nightstand....

 

[Str8vision]

It's 2028, what does vaping look like?


Ya, OK, I'm game.......

In the year 2028 I'll be lurking in the threads of ECF but no longer posting. A popular thread will discuss in detail BP's newest 4 watt $249.99 plastic pod mod (prescription required) and how costs have come tumbling down this past year. At the local pharmacy a three pack of 0.5ml, 2mg sealed refill pods can be had for under $70 and tobacco flavor #VII is to die for, much better than tobacco flavor #V or #VI. One poster complains that his new Pfizer mod (the "Sucker") was DOA and to get a warranty replacement cost him $159 for Pfizer's special "shipping/handling" fees and an additional $30 hazmat charge through the ANPS (Amazon National Postal Service) owned by the Trump empire. Still, the mood on ECF is upbeat with people routinely posting that spending $800 a month to vape is far cheaper than what smoking zero nicotine cigarettes would cost. In the dark fringes of ECF's sub-forums people will detail how, using a simple syringe, they were able to mix tobacco flavor #II with Tobacco flavors #III and #IV to get a better tasting vape. Unfortunately, discussion or mention of any other flavor besides "tobacco" or "unflavored" is strictly prohibited since flavored juice is illegal.

I no longer post on ECF because back in 2023 the FDA designated nicotine as a schedule II controlled substance requiring a prescription and made possessing any form nicotine above 3mg strength a federal felony. With what's in my freezer the FDA's actions turned me into a criminal so I try to keep a low profile. With the amount of nic I have on hand an automatic "intent to distribute" conspiracy charge which carries a mandatory 30 year sentence would be filed. Non FDA approved gear (mods, attys, drip tips etc..) have been legally deemed drug paraphernalia and possession is considered hard evidence of nicotine law violations all but guaranteeing a conviction. High quality 100mg liquid nic is worth $60 per ml on the black market and the number of people in prison for vaping related offenses reaches new highs. The FDA touts that it's tough nicotine laws have succeeded because not a single child has died from a vaping overdose.

Like a scene from "Breaking Bad", I quietly open a cleverly concealed door leading down to my hidden basement and prepare to mix another batch of "flavored" juice using the liquid nic I was wise enough to stockpile a decade earlier. In case I'm ever "discovered" I've intentionally mislabeled each bottle of stored nic "Wacky Baccy" hoping to fool the DEA into believing the contents are a perfectly legal substance instead of villainous nicotine, a schedule II controlled drug. I've strategically placed alligator clips, colored glass pipes, peace signs, ZigZag papers, AC/DC albums, Cheech and Chong posters and empty junk food wrappers throughout the basement to further enhance the deception. Still, I worry that the amount of traffic at my residence with all the 60+ year old ex-smokers just "hanging out" will trigger suspicion that I'm running a nic house. I've even asked all my friends to stop calling me "Nic Daddy" in public, it's a dead giveaway. At 90 years old the anxiety of being a wild desperado is starting taking a toll on me, my blinged out gold plated walker is feeling mighty heavy these days. I often contemplate selling most of my nic on the black market and moving to a non-extradition "free" country (like Wakanda) where I could simply enjoy being a carefree multi-millionaire.

 

[DaveP]

Fast food is the killer right now. Smoking is on the decline and vaping seems to be the healthier alternative.

How the American Diet is Slowly Killing Us

Nutritional researchers have repeatedly demonstrated that what we eat directly determines genetic expression, which can predict chronic disease risk, rate of aging, quality of life and mortality. A diet predominated by processed foods and laden with sugars, hydrogenated fats and refined carbohydrates has been shown to promote metabolic oxidation, systemic inflammation and lowered immune response that opens the door for heart disease, diabetes, dementia, stroke and many forms of cancer. This new research evaluates precise risk factors in the development of several chronic illnesses and premature death.

 

[stols001]

I don't do fast food much because I can "taste" it now. Despite putting a "healthy" meal on the table every night until my kiddo turned 18 (more for family cohesion, but eating together is one of the healthiest things you can do with your family, period, so I did it and it worked.) Well, the only time I eat fast food nowadays is with my kid, because he is so obsessed with healthy eating. For his birthday, I might get him some Soylent (not because I think it's so healthy) but he does.... "100% nutrition, Mom! Everything you need!" although he'll probably eat other stuff too he says having it makes him "feel healthy."

LOL, when I visit the kid is the only time I suggest fast food because he can't bear to spend his money on "Non-nutritive" foods.... But he still enjoys it, so I suffer and suggest a variety of fast food.

Everything in moderation, IMO, including some unhealthy foods.. But I guess my "dinner" strategy worked. I'm pretty convinced that I am so healthy (physically) because growing up my parents made sure that happened, every night my dad would make a salad with dinner, and we all ate it.

All things in moderation, though, IMO, and I refuse to worry about vaping too much ATM. I wish everyone involved with regulating it could examine "moderation" too. Because we ALL have some unhealthy habits, I'm so glad mine is not smoking any more..

Anna

 

[Upinsmoke]

It's 2028, what does vaping look like?


Ya, OK, I'm game.......

In the year 2028 I'll be lurking in the threads of ECF but no longer posting. A popular thread will discuss in detail BP's newest 4 watt $249.99 plastic pod mod (prescription required) and how costs have come tumbling down this past year. At the local pharmacy a three pack of 0.5ml, 2mg sealed refill pods can be had for under $70 and tobacco flavor #VII is to die for, much better than tobacco flavor #V or #VI. One poster complains that his new Pfizer mod (the "Sucker") was DOA and to get a warranty replacement cost him $159 for Pfizer's special "shipping/handling" fees and an additional $30 hazmat charge through the ANPS (Amazon National Postal Service) owned by the Trump empire. Still, the mood on ECF is upbeat with people routinely posting that spending $800 a month to vape is far cheaper than what smoking zero nicotine cigarettes would cost. In the dark fringes of ECF's sub-forums people will detail how, using a simple syringe, they were able to mix tobacco flavor #II with Tobacco flavors #III and #IV to get a better tasting vape. Unfortunately, discussion or mention of any other flavor besides "tobacco" or "unflavored" is strictly prohibited since flavored juice is illegal.

I no longer post on ECF because back in 2023 the FDA designated nicotine as a schedule II controlled substance requiring a prescription and made possessing any form nicotine above 3mg strength a federal felony. With what's in my freezer the FDA's actions turned me into a criminal so I try to keep a low profile. With the amount of nic I have on hand an automatic "intent to distribute" conspiracy charge which carries a mandatory 30 year sentence would be filed. Non FDA approved gear (mods, attys, drip tips etc..) have been legally deemed drug paraphernalia and possession is considered hard evidence of nicotine law violations all but guaranteeing a conviction. High quality 100mg liquid nic is worth $60 per ml on the black market and the number of people in prison for vaping related offenses reaches new highs. The FDA touts that it's tough nicotine laws have succeeded because not a single child has died from a vaping overdose.

Like a scene from "Breaking Bad", I quietly open a cleverly concealed door leading down to my hidden basement and prepare to mix another batch of "flavored" juice using the liquid nic I was wise enough to stockpile a decade earlier. In case I'm ever "discovered" I've intentionally mislabeled each bottle of stored nic "Wacky Baccy" hoping to fool the DEA into believing the contents are a perfectly legal substance instead of villainous nicotine, a schedule II controlled drug. I've strategically placed alligator clips, colored glass pipes, peace signs, ZigZag papers, AC/DC albums, Cheech and Chong posters and empty junk food wrappers throughout the basement to further enhance the deception. Still, I worry that the amount of traffic at my residence with all the 60+ year old ex-smokers just "hanging out" will trigger suspicion that I'm running a nic house. I've even asked all my friends to stop calling me "Nic Daddy" in public, it's a dead giveaway. At 90 years old the anxiety of being a wild desperado is starting taking a toll on me, my blinged out gold plated walker is feeling mighty heavy these days. I often contemplate selling most of my nic on the black market and moving to a non-extradition "free" country (like Wakanda) where I could simply enjoy being a carefree multi-millionaire.

Hi Str8
I'd rather live in my 2028 than your 2028.
Dylan said " you can be in my dream if I can be in yours "
Upinsmoke says you can be in my dream , but respectfully I'll pass on yours .

Never knew you were an octogenarian .
I will have to call you Sir.

 

[Rossum]

In the dark fringes of ECF's sub-forums people will detail how, using a simple syringe, they were able to mix tobacco flavor #II with Tobacco flavors #III and #IV to get a better tasting vape. Unfortunately, discussion or mention of any other flavor besides "tobacco" or "unflavored" is strictly prohibited since flavored juice is illegal.

Eh? ECF is not owned by a US person.

 

[JCinFLA]

Absolutely agree. I view vaping as risk reduction rather than a cure. Seems similar to using a relatively less dangerous narcotic to escape a more dangerous narcotic. It it is far from unheard of in the therapeutic community.

I look at vaping as a safer, healthier, much better tasting, enjoyable "nicotine delivery system" for me. It's much safer than smoking, because I know exactly what's in my DIY eliquid. There aren't thousands of other chemicals that ride along with the nicotine into my body with vaping, like there were with smoking. There have so far been no cancer causing agents found in PG, VG, Nic Base, nor flavorings, AFAIK. Inhaled PG has even been found to be beneficial at fighting off/preventing some lung ailments. My doctor even commented that he wouldn't be surprised if the warm, moist vapor may even help the lungs recover faster after quitting smoking.

Regular bloodwork and other tests, done every 4-6 months since I started vaping 4+ years ago, have shown it's had absolutely no negative effects on my body in that time. While pre-existing conditions I had as a smoker...have either disappeared or greatly improved in that time period! Those test results, my doctor's findings during examinations, and my own recognition of my physical improvements...all tell me vaping is a healthier nicotine delivery system for me.

As far as being a better tasting nicotine delivery system...well that's a no brainer for me. I'd much rather taste my eliquid with every puff, than get the taste of any cigarette I ever had. The aftertaste with vaping is also a definite winner to me compared to after smoking a cigarette.

So, even if vaping isn't technically "a cure" for smoking...I'll probably stick with it for the rest of my life, if the above continues to be true for me personally. Since they've recently found some positive health effects of nicotine, I'll probably always vape at least 3-6mg nic, too. My "stash" will let me do that, no matter what happens by 2028, or beyond.

 

[Str8vision]

Eh? ECF is not owned by a US person.

Don't start pulling too hard at all the loose strings binding that post together lest we have a whopping mess when the whole thing comes toppling down.

 

[5cardstud]

Battery technology will have progressed so far as you will just have a little bump on the end of your tank.

 

[crixer]

I have a feeling that the monied interests will win out and the tobacco company will own it all. I will hopefully be nicotine free by then. If I am still vaping, it will be on a Kayfun v3.1 for sure. I have stockpiled everything to winter any full out bans. I imagine people buying bottles of juice like people buy bags of weed.

 

[Letitia]

I have a feeling that the monied interests will win out and the tobacco company will own it all. I will hopefully be nicotine free by then. If I am still vaping, it will be on a Kayfun v3.1 for sure. I have stockpiled everything to winter any full out bans. I imagine people buying bottles of juice like people buy bags of weed.

Might want to edit to say "bags of the other stuff".

 

[MacTechVpr]

Battery technology will have progressed so far as you will just have a little bump on the end of your tank pod.

There now. G'luck.

 

[Evesevere]

If the government messes with us you know we will end up having some underground Vape group that makes their own or Vape juice will be treated like illegal drugs. Just roll on up to someone and they will have a few flavors and you can pick from a couple. As far as mods and attys-Just hide a few, stock up on wire and buy an extra coil master kit.
As far as the batteries are concerned I’m sure those will be available.

 

[Sickbxy]

Might want to edit to say "bags of the other stuff".

The other stuff will be legal in all 50 by then...