I have tried pretty much all hardware for vaping. I use a standard Ego battery... I have used Evods, Vision mini clearos, Boge cartomizers, Smok ego dual mega cartos, T3's, and more. I had AWESOME success with Evods at first, absolutely the best vapor I have ever experienced as far as clouds go. I have bought over 9 of them and they have all had issues. They just dont seem to do the trick anymore (only filled them and used them all maybe once or twice) I have tried playing with flavor wicks, dry burnings, and making sure its not the juice yet the problem still exists. They produce vapor but its just not near the amount I was use to. Cartos are OK but I prefer tanks. I'm also curious about the cartos... the ego dual mega cartomizer has a crazy throat hit no matter what juice I use, the vapor is OK nothing too spectacular. If I load an Evod and a mega dual cartomizer... they will both produce the same flavor in my opinion but the Evod will be much cooler and tons of vape, and the Dual coil will be less vapor but a lot more of a punch. Is there a reason for this? I have ordered so much types of deliver systems that its getting ridiculous. I just want something like the Evod that is PROVEN reliable and proven to do the job. I dont need fancy resistance or wicks or coils, just something that works! Any ideas?
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I was going to ask could you have bought the wrong resistance level on the replacement evod heads? That would change how they perform at the same voltage (Standard ego batterys are not Variable voltage). For a standard ego battery you want a head in the 1.7-2.0 ohm level roughly or so I found.
For myself I skipped over using carto's and went right to carto tanks. There are many out there from a few dollars up to the big bucks. They all essentially boil down to a carto with holes punched in it inside a tank of liquid (tube).
Look for the ECF member Baditude and hit up his blogs for LOTS of wonderful information about all kinds of delivery devices including wonderful instruction on carto tanks.
Carto tanks just ended up being my foolproof method. It varies for everyone.
For myself I skipped over using carto's and went right to carto tanks. There are many out there from a few dollars up to the big bucks. They all essentially boil down to a carto with holes punched in it inside a tank of liquid (tube).
Look for the ECF member Baditude and hit up his blogs for LOTS of wonderful information about all kinds of delivery devices including wonderful instruction on carto tanks.
Carto tanks just ended up being my foolproof method. It varies for everyone.
Are you purchasing the real thing vs knockoffs? Sometimes it aint too obvious till you're using the gadget itself. Also what PG/VG ratio are you using skakid? (love that name, I'm hearing "gangsters" by The Specials when I type that, lol) VG = lots of vapor. The more PG you use, the more throat hit and possibly sharper flavor... but less vapor. Some juice sellers don't tell you what ratio of each that is used considering it proprietary so it might just be the juice if you've changed a flavor or a vendor or two....
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The couple few things I gotta ask are:
What liquids are you using and what's the PG/VG ratio?
When does the performance go downhill? After one tank? Two?
Are you cleaning them and how?
Where are you getting 'em? FastTech?
Any of the Evod/Kanger bottom coil types can go down hill for several reasons. One is the liquid. Some people have to clean the coils every couple days. I can go for an entire week before I need to clean. Dark color liquids tend to gunk up coils faster and vapor output goes down hill. These things really need a dry burn to bring the wick and coil in them back to life again.
There is chatter on ECF that some of the FT Evod/Kanger stuff is just crap and clones aren't performing well right with the first tank. Replacement coil performance gripes from FT as well.
What liquids are you using and what's the PG/VG ratio?
When does the performance go downhill? After one tank? Two?
Are you cleaning them and how?
Where are you getting 'em? FastTech?
Any of the Evod/Kanger bottom coil types can go down hill for several reasons. One is the liquid. Some people have to clean the coils every couple days. I can go for an entire week before I need to clean. Dark color liquids tend to gunk up coils faster and vapor output goes down hill. These things really need a dry burn to bring the wick and coil in them back to life again.
There is chatter on ECF that some of the FT Evod/Kanger stuff is just crap and clones aren't performing well right with the first tank. Replacement coil performance gripes from FT as well.
Ok I'll go into detail.
All the "Evods" I have ordered have been through reputable vendors (never fasttech) I also have a Smok tech type Evod as well. They all seem to work right off the bat, but some are hit or miss. For example, I have one green Evod (came in a group) that hits perfect. Perfect flavor, vapor, everything. Yet the others dont compare, I have tried cleaning the others out, replacing heads, adding/removing flavor wicks, it all seems to be a temporary fix. Temporary as in I cant rely on these if I bring them to work. When I look inside all the Evods they all seem to have different coil layouts as well. Some will be a tight group wrapped in the center, some will have 3 wires, then a small gap, then three more wires (essentially a little gap in the middle where the wick is). I have tried cleaning even though I really shouldnt need to considering I havent even run a full tank before theres an issue I'm trying to resolve.
Juices I have used are Halo, Good life vapor, some local places juice, and Mr E. VG clogging doesnt seem to be a factor since the most I order is 50/50 unless Good life is higher than I thought.
The Evods just seem to be so inconsistent, they all sound different too! One might be dead quiet while vaporizing, the other might be pretty intense with loud pops initiating the vape.
EDIT: Question about dry burning, I have played around a little with this, and I'm still a little confused. I dry burned an Evod the other day and pulsed the battery, I could instantly see the wick turn white again as the old juice burnt off and the coil became red. When I let go of battery to let it cool, the wick then browned/changed color almost right away. Not sure what this means. Also, when dry burning I am pulsing the battery and there is obviously some vapor coming off the unit. It usually smells like crap, what I dont understand is if it starts to smell like burnt crap isnt that just runing the whole thing and making future juices taste like crap too? I guess what Im getting at is that eventually there should be any "vapor" coming from the coil once all the old stuff is burnt off, so why does the "vapor" never stop? I could pulse it for 5 minutes and there would still be vapor.
All the "Evods" I have ordered have been through reputable vendors (never fasttech) I also have a Smok tech type Evod as well. They all seem to work right off the bat, but some are hit or miss. For example, I have one green Evod (came in a group) that hits perfect. Perfect flavor, vapor, everything. Yet the others dont compare, I have tried cleaning the others out, replacing heads, adding/removing flavor wicks, it all seems to be a temporary fix. Temporary as in I cant rely on these if I bring them to work. When I look inside all the Evods they all seem to have different coil layouts as well. Some will be a tight group wrapped in the center, some will have 3 wires, then a small gap, then three more wires (essentially a little gap in the middle where the wick is). I have tried cleaning even though I really shouldnt need to considering I havent even run a full tank before theres an issue I'm trying to resolve.
Juices I have used are Halo, Good life vapor, some local places juice, and Mr E. VG clogging doesnt seem to be a factor since the most I order is 50/50 unless Good life is higher than I thought.
The Evods just seem to be so inconsistent, they all sound different too! One might be dead quiet while vaporizing, the other might be pretty intense with loud pops initiating the vape.
EDIT: Question about dry burning, I have played around a little with this, and I'm still a little confused. I dry burned an Evod the other day and pulsed the battery, I could instantly see the wick turn white again as the old juice burnt off and the coil became red. When I let go of battery to let it cool, the wick then browned/changed color almost right away. Not sure what this means. Also, when dry burning I am pulsing the battery and there is obviously some vapor coming off the unit. It usually smells like crap, what I dont understand is if it starts to smell like burnt crap isnt that just runing the whole thing and making future juices taste like crap too? I guess what Im getting at is that eventually there should be any "vapor" coming from the coil once all the old stuff is burnt off, so why does the "vapor" never stop? I could pulse it for 5 minutes and there would still be vapor.
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My coils are built like that too. I'm starting to believe that type of build might be a sign of a genuine coil
Ok, wick and coil:
First, before you start dry burning what's the color situation? When you look down at the wick/coil is is light brown, dark brown, black? The darker the color the more gunked up everything is. You may have 'atty killer' liquids if the coil is covered with black gunk in less than one tank. These tanks would just not be right for those liquids.
You can only get the wick so clean in these things. The top 2 loose wicks I typically find don't survive beyond the first use and need to be replaced. You can buy more wick or McGyver it with some cotton. I've used cheesecloth even, cut rolled and shaped to form a top wick. Personally I find those tops wicks are important. There is such a thing as "too much" here. Remove the top wicks, that results in flooding the coil with too much liquid too fast, and vapor production drops.
The wick inside the coil gets nice and clean - the part inside the coil. Once the wick touches the metal surrounding it it's cooler than what is in the coil. Consequently the small amount sticking out beyond the coil never gets virgin white clean again. Accept it. Move on.
When you dry burn - no, if you are getting smoke off it and it smells like crap you aren't wrecking anything. That's the all too obvious sign that there is still gunk on the coil. What you are smelling is all that crap on the coil burning off. That stuff acts as an insulator, interfering with the coils ability to produce vapor. Keep dry burning until the coil stops producing nasty burny stuff when you fire it. Pulse, pulse, pulse. Less is more when dry burning. You can always do more. But all it takes is one time of applying power too long to pop the coil.
I start by putting the coil, tube and base in simmering water for a minute or two. (Not the tank.) This sterilizes it pretty much, gets any "loose" liquid out of things, and cleans those tiny air vent holes in the base. Use a forceps or long metal tweezers to deal with stuff here. Once things have cooled down blow as much water out as you can and start your dry burn.
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hey houston
standard ego battery, i.e. not a twist? consider getting a twist, it allows you to adjust your vape. i got one cause i reasoned that coil resistance may change over time, allows me to adjust for different devices, etc... too weak? crank it up. =)
standard ego battery, i.e. not a twist? consider getting a twist, it allows you to adjust your vape. i got one cause i reasoned that coil resistance may change over time, allows me to adjust for different devices, etc... too weak? crank it up. =)
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Watch each and every one. You will come up with a way to do these things that will work for you. Everyone does it slightly differently.
Try to use juices that have little or no initial color. Colorants can gunk your coils.
Try lesser sweetened juices. Sweeteners can gunk your coils.
When dry burning, as someone before said, boil first. Then dry off. Also blow on the coil while the burn happens to waft out the burnt stuff.
When dry burning, the wick should go back to white, but the coil is a heated metal, so it will go back to dark when cool
Consider the flavor wicks as disposable. Lay new ones on top when the dry burn is over.
Ecig dry burn
Evod rewick
Evod recoiling
Watch each and every one. You will come up with a way to do these things that will work for you. Everyone does it slightly differently.
Try to use juices that have little or no initial color. Colorants can gunk your coils.
Try lesser sweetened juices. Sweeteners can gunk your coils.
When dry burning, as someone before said, boil first. Then dry off. Also blow on the coil while the burn happens to waft out the burnt stuff.
When dry burning, the wick should go back to white, but the coil is a heated metal, so it will go back to dark when cool
Consider the flavor wicks as disposable. Lay new ones on top when the dry burn is over.
I've found (at least for the T3/T3s coils) that rebuilding them with 3mm wick gives you enough wick material and you can do away with the two top loose wicks. Out of the box they seem to have a 2mm wick wrapped with the coil and the equivalent of about another 1mm for the loose wicks.
Once this is done, dry burning for cleaning becomes a much easier task as you don't have to fiddle with the top wicks. The only downside is the very occasional pop of juice that manages to make it all the way up the tube into your mouth, but that doesn't happen often enough to worry about.
Good suggestion. If I have read one post complaining about the inconsistency and high maintenance of many cleros, I've read 100.
A carto-tank is significantly more consistent and maintenance free.
Still not enough data to diagnose the problem.
What liquids are involved?
What's the resistance of the coils involved?
What kind of battery are you attaching to your delivery systems?
The wash and dry burn cycle can take several iterations to clean a silica-wicked coil. By that, I mean you wash it in piping hot water, let it dry burn, then wash again and dry burn again until it no longer smells like burnt bovine organic material.
Please don't ever remove flavor wicks. Those are there for a reason and very few good things come from removing them. Many good things come from replacing and/or adding to them.
What liquids are involved?
What's the resistance of the coils involved?
What kind of battery are you attaching to your delivery systems?
The wash and dry burn cycle can take several iterations to clean a silica-wicked coil. By that, I mean you wash it in piping hot water, let it dry burn, then wash again and dry burn again until it no longer smells like burnt bovine organic material.
Please don't ever remove flavor wicks. Those are there for a reason and very few good things come from removing them. Many good things come from replacing and/or adding to them.
Puffing away currently on a rebuilt T3s coil with no flavor wicks - it is an outstanding vape. The trick is to re-wick with a thicker wick. Then it is all good.
Seems like a battery problem more than a juice delivery device (jdd) problem since you seem to be having the same problem no matter which jdd you are using.. I still use and enjoy my fixed voltage ego type batteries but I LOVE my 1300 mAh Vision Spinner batteries. When the vapor start getting light I just turn up the voltage and the vapor is back.
You said you never ran a full tank through and that explains a lot. These 'issues' you seem to have are just the breaking-in of silica wicks, mine only starts to taste good after I ran at least 1 tank through. Silica is well-known to leave a certain flavor in your vape when it's new.
I have a single EVOD and zero issues with it. My replacement coils come in a medicine package that I pop out one by one. I only replace the flavor wicks every once in a while after a dryburn. I replaced the coil head once. I use them on several standard EGO batteries and never disappoint.
*edit* what you can try to improve the flavor and wicking is removing the little silicone washer from the coil head that sits between it and the air shaft. It may result in leaking but I have done it before successfully. Just put it back when it leaks and keep vaping through a few tanks.
I have a single EVOD and zero issues with it. My replacement coils come in a medicine package that I pop out one by one. I only replace the flavor wicks every once in a while after a dryburn. I replaced the coil head once. I use them on several standard EGO batteries and never disappoint.
*edit* what you can try to improve the flavor and wicking is removing the little silicone washer from the coil head that sits between it and the air shaft. It may result in leaking but I have done it before successfully. Just put it back when it leaks and keep vaping through a few tanks.
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Your using off the shelf stuff while it is ok. Its made as cheaply as possible to give at best mediocre performance. If you want top notch performance your just not going to get with off the shelf products at lower prices.
There's about ten different things it could be, most already mentioned.
I used to love the evod more than any other vape including the Protank. When I added air flow control to the Protank, and made it draw like the evod, I thought I had found it. Neither compares to a carto tank, NOT A CARTO, a carto tank, properly primed and punched, vaped at the correct coil temperature (Watts/volts). The reason the evod changed from my favorite to NOT MY FAVORITE, is because my taste buds changed. I didn't realize this at first. Suddenly, I could taste the wick a bit more, the heated wick/slight burning of the wick a bit more, etc. Still loved the draw, but too many untasty things now emerged. It was me, not the wonderful evod. I tried re-wicking, turns out I could do that fairly easily after a few attempts. Turns out that cotton tastes better than silica and vapes a bit better, probably due to better saturation. Like you, I pursued the best vape possible, within reason, and not requiring rocket surgery.
My pursuit led me to check out carto tanks. Bingo. Not only a better vape, in every way, VTF (vapor, throat hit, flavor), but they don't leak either. Once you stop dumping the whole tank of juice in your lap (early learning curve issue - and need to be careful - and procedurally accurate), and getting the right tanks and tank tools (Big Daddy's SYM and case, my favorite) and the Siam Mods Carto Punch, not the smoktech, my preference and a big Wow difference. The wife feels the same way. Cartos are a personal preference, and many swear by their favorite brand. I like the Boge's, but I haven't tried Ikenvapes yet (their site is still down), and want to. Usually buy in bulk, five boxes for $25 and free shipping, so a buck a piece, or about the same price as a head coil on the evod, maybe even less (unless re-wicking). IBTanked and Phiniac tanks (love the Phiniac - sandblasted dragon name Puff), and the wife's purple moon fairy. Now my ADV, and rarely use the evods ever now. Occasionally use the PT and Davide's out of the house (convenience). Punch the cartos five in advance (one box), so ready to prime and use without much hastle, and similar to replacement coils. Just a great, great vape, imho. Prefer the standard size and resistance over the XL's and F16's. Won't get into RBA's, but starting my journey there and have four nice pieces so far (but really a different post/thread).
Anyway, my rambling two cents. Good luck, happy hunting, Power up and Vape On!
You cheated! You rebuilt! Not Fair!
I don't rebuild regularly anymore, but when I did I used as much cotton as I could stuff into that little opening. I have a five-pack of mislabeled heads that were supposed to be 2.0's but are reading 2.5 on the multimeter. I'll end up rebuilding those.
When dealing with off-the-shelf or out-of-the-mail BCC heads, it's rarely a good idea to remove the flavor wicks. Like I said, they're there for a reason.
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