Japanese Organic Cotton Pads

[havok333]

If you roll just the tips, aren't your wicks just flat then? The cotton pads are flat in nature, and if you split it in half first, and then just roll the tips, I would imagine you would have a lot of space on the top and bottom of the wick when you put it in the coil. Or are you not splitting it in half?

Yes, the wicks are kinda flat and I do split down the middle first since only have been wrapping 1/16 or 5/64 coils. When the cotton gets soaked it swells up a little so no issues with coil contact for me.

I did try once to kinda compact the wick a bit (but not twist!) and that did make a less flat wick, but it didn't seem to give quite as good a flavor.

Due to trying different coil builds on RDAs and gennies, I'm actually almost finished with the first half of the very first pad! Been over a month so far and probably a week or two worth left on it. Couldn't be happier with this stuff!

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[Tinkiegrrl]

Great. So, I decided to try Muji cotton because of you people. Not only for my atomizers, but for my makeup as well. Got both the regular cut cotton pads and the 4 sheets in one pad because I figured the second may be handy for removing makeup. Not sure which will work better in my RBAs. Also picked up a handy traveling case with a bunch of what appears to be mod sized slots meant for bottles of soap and lotion, plus the top half looks like it's meant to store smaller items like tweezers, etc.... I'm making my own organized, hanging, vape station out of it. So yeah.... Apparently I can't just browse Muji. I also need to buy stuff there too.

 

[ckim111]

Do you still split the pad in half first before you cut? Or use the whole pad

The space will fill up as the cotton swells. I tried out the other pad; the Serena/Labo and found the difference is minuscule. I think that the KGD is just a hair less ..... how to describe..... less fly away? less apt to get those little pieces that fly off? Other than that its hard to tell the difference. Since I use them in my Odysseus atomizers and have to do more work than just slide the cotton in the coil I will stick to the KGD.

 

[super_X_drifter]

Same question as above. Are you splitting the cotton pad first? What about the space in the coil if you don't roll the cotton?

I separate the pad in 1/2. I shear off a slice just wider than the coil ID and about 1" long.

As the wick is threaded into the coil the slight resistance of the coil against the wick shapes it to confirm to the ID of the coil

Sometimes I shape the wick by gently squeezing it with my fingers, sometimes I don't.

What's important is not to use too thick of a wick. A good rule of thumb is that if you take your hand off your mod and your mod moves when your trying to thread it in its too thick

 

[Rule62]

I've been using the KGD cotton in my drippers for the past several weeks. More recently, for the past few days, I've been experimenting with the CelluCotton rayon, just to see if it surpassed the cotton. So far, I'm leaning toward sticking with the KGD. The rayon works very well, holds a ton of juice, and provides good flavor. No doubt about it. However, the ease of set up alone is causing me to lean toward the KGD. The set up for rayon is guesswork. With the KGD, once you have a feel for how much to use, it's easy to repeat every single time. The difference in flavor, either way, doesn't seem to be worth the inconsistency of working with rayon. Plus, with the KGD, you don't wind up with fluffy stuff all over the place, when done.

 

[MacTechVpr]

I've been using the KGD cotton in my drippers for the past several weeks. More recently, for the past few days, I've been experimenting with the CelluCotton rayon, just to see if it surpassed the cotton. So far, I'm leaning toward sticking with the KGD. The rayon works very well, holds a ton of juice, and provides good flavor. No doubt about it. However, the ease of set up alone is causing me to lean toward the KGD. The set up for rayon is guesswork. With the KGD, once you have a feel for how much to use, it's easy to repeat every single time. The difference in flavor, either way, doesn't seem to be worth the inconsistency of working with rayon. Plus, with the KGD, you don't wind up with fluffy stuff all over the place, when done.

Could it be rule, a fairly impartial opinion here? Thanks. With so many superlatives posted out there how likely are we to be overwhelmed with consensus? Really? You note some worthy points regarding the utility and ease of use of CC which I can see might affect how we handle the stuff. It's not easy for a lot of folks. Cotton density has been easy for me although most natural, in drippers, difficult in small enclosed tanks like the Protank with varying viscosity.

I just got my first supply in thanks to brookj1986, appreciated. I would set up a side by side in time with matched gear, voltage drop and precision tension winds particularly to test the net efficiency of flow and performance under varying ratios of wick-to-wire densities. Several common wind diameters as well. Try to answer this assertion of incredible flow and vapor output. I keep hearing really warm and that's not something I typically associate with efficient wire>wick energy transfer. If drying too fast, ahead of flow capacity, it might suggest you're right in principle. Getting density is more critical with lyocell/CC. Too many believe that simply a hot production with lots of vapor means efficient. That's not necessarily so. And so the accompanying accolades become questionable.

I'm looking forward to testing CC. If this stuff proves to be as uniformly good as the raves (and relatively benign as well) it could be a boon to rebuilding and I'm way down with that.

I'm really diggin' on KGD (thanks supe really) but disagree on the density there across all device types. Although it could well be exactly right with smaller drippers. I'm normally moderate on the density overall and find KGD's directional composition responds quite well to compression overall and wire deflection. So I'm actually wicking a bit tighter these days and actually enjoying much of the benefits of flow that seemed to elude me as I'm spoiled on the performance of Nextel.

Thanks for your impressions rule.

Good luck.

 

[Alexander Mundy]

Just to throw a little more out there, I find the cross section of wick in relation to coil ID depends on the wire style. Wire that has more variance of ID once wrapped into a coil (IE twisted) requires a little tighter wick. The larger the variances (IE MM) the tighter required. I assume this is due to expansion needing to touch the recessed parts of the ID of the coil.

Just my observation, as always YMMV

 

[windnsea26]

You can get this stuff on Dermstore.com with 20% off. Code SUMMER20

 

[super_X_drifter]

Yes, I find that I prefer wicking with KGD solely for the ease of installation for my application. It's too damn easy. Clip, twist tip, thread in, trim, feed, vape. I takes me less than 2 minutes to rewick a setup. I know hit one if the wick is right. There's no shrinkage and if it is right hit one (no cotton flavor) it's right until I change it a week or more later.

But, I don't need wicking / flow / capillary action because I feed before just about every hit. It's as much a reflex to me as ashing a cig used to be. I enjoy doing it. It's part of the ritual for me.

And what goes thru my coil is more of a juice holder than a wick.

I vape UFNB and my coil stays clean, my wick stays clean and the VTF for me is identical between CC and KGD.

If I were a non feeder and ran tanks and these other types of heaters that non feeders run and / or used juices that don't play well with cotton I might favor CC more? Dunno.

I also can't help but wonder if many of the issues folks report about cotton stem from using too thick of cotton wicks and / or not using the right cotton?

 

[toddrhodes]

You can get this stuff on Dermstore.com with 20% off. Code SUMMER20

My my, they actually have it in stock for the $12 price. After the coupon it's about $10.47 shipped, so I've got some on the way. I've been enjoying the CC as well but hey, life is better when one has options so I will give the KGD a try, finally. Thanks for the heads up!

 

[MacTechVpr]

My my, they actually have it in stock for the $12 price. After the coupon it's about $10.47 shipped, so I've got some on the way. I've been enjoying the CC as well but hey, life is better when one has options so I will give the KGD a try, finally. Thanks for the heads up!

Good luck todd. Placed two orders about a week or so back. One directly myself, the second through a friend out of state. Both got kicked. Not in stock at time of pick req. Ref'd two people today. Down here in FL the website returns 5 or 4 day backorder time. Situation nominal.

I think the strategy is called customer retention. The discount's a kicker.



Good luck.

 

[Rule62]

Yes, I find that I prefer wicking with KGD solely for the ease of installation for my application. It's too damn easy. Clip, twist tip, thread in, trim, feed, vape. I takes me less than 2 minutes to rewick a setup. I know hit one if the wick is right. There's no shrinkage and if it is right hit one (no cotton flavor) it's right until I change it a week or more later.

But, I don't need wicking / flow / capillary action because I feed before just about every hit. It's as much a reflex to me as ashing a cig used to be. I enjoy doing it. It's part of the ritual for me.

And what goes thru my coil is more of a juice holder than a wick.

I vape UFNB and my coil stays clean, my wick stays clean and the VTF for me is identical between CC and KGD.

If I were a non feeder and ran tanks and these other types of heaters that non feeders run and / or used juices that don't play well with cotton I might favor CC more? Dunno.

I also can't help but wonder if many of the issues folks report about cotton stem from using too thick of cotton wicks and / or not using the right cotton?

I don't use a feeder system, like a REO, but the only things I use soft wicks in are drippers. I have a couple Kayfuns, but rarely use them. My genisis devices are wicked with ss mesh. But, I'm in the same boat, pretty much. I'm not too concerned with capillary action, because I'm constantly replenishing the juice to the wick, every few vapes. I'm not one to pool juice on the deck of whatever dripper i'm using. I don't make extra lon tails, and cram them under the coils and around the deck. All that does is soak up juice, which isn't going to be fresh, by the time it makes it to the coils.
The KGD is so easy to use; it's tough to get beyond the point, when considering using rayon. Cut a strip, cut it in half, twist the ends of each piece, and thread them through the coils, trim the ends, and done. It takes just a couple minutes to re wick a dual coil.

 

[toddrhodes]

Good luck todd. Placed two orders about a week or so back. One directly myself, the second through a friend out of state. Both got kicked. Not in stock at time of pick req. Ref'd two people today. Down here in FL the website returns 5 or 4 day backorder time. Situation nominal.

I think the strategy is called customer retention. The discount's a kicker.



Good luck.

Appreciate the heads up. I'm accustomed to waiting for stuff, no biggie, but it's nice to know it's probably not shipping out in the short term.

 

[vapdivrr]

want to give a shout out to B2L for sending me a few KGD pads, because if he didn't, im not quite sure I would of ever purchased any on my own. after trying the rayon for the past week and really not seeing any real differences in performance and taste compared to my sterile cotton builds, my hopes weren't to high on the KGD. well I was wrong because I am really liking this stuff, big time! today I rewicked 2 attys and instantly had fantastic results and the flavor is outstanding. and like a lot of you have mentioned, very easy to wick. I just peeled a pad in half, cut about a 1/8 th to 3/16 strip off and threaded thru the coil. perfect on the first try, for both attys which surprised me because of this being the first time using this new cotton. flavor is absolutely awesome and is better then the sterile cotton I have been using, period. the results I am getting from this cotton is what I thought I was going to get from the rayon when I tried that, but I didn't. I mean the rayon was very good imo, but this stuff, for me anyways, is better. now I just received these pads, so im not sure if all these pads are the same density and make-up, but if they are, a simple measurement of the amount of pad width, should correlate to a specific coil diameter, and work relatively care free. it has always been hard to describe the amount of cotton that one should use, but with these pads, it should be a lot easier. next question, where do I get a bunch more?

 

[havok333]

want to give a shout out to B2L for sending me a few KGD pads, because if he didn't, im not quite sure I would of ever purchased any on my own. after trying the rayon for the past week and really not seeing any real differences in performance and taste compared to my sterile cotton builds, my hopes weren't to high on the KGD. well I was wrong because I am really liking this stuff, big time! today I rewicked 2 attys and instantly had fantastic results and the flavor is outstanding. and like a lot of you have mentioned, very easy to wick. I just peeled a pad in half, cut about a 1/8 th to 3/16 strip off and threaded thru the coil. perfect on the first try, for both attys which surprised me because of this being the first time using this new cotton. flavor is absolutely awesome and is better then the sterile cotton I have been using, period. the results I am getting from this cotton is what I thought I was going to get from the rayon when I tried that, but I didn't. I mean the rayon was very good imo, but this stuff, for me anyways, is better. now I just received these pads, so im not sure if all these pads are the same density and make-up, but if they are, a simple measurement of the amount of pad width, should correlate to a specific coil diameter, and work relatively care free. it has always been hard to describe the amount of cotton that one should use, but with these pads, it should be a lot easier. next question, where do I get a bunch more?

That ease you describe is exactly what sold me on trying the cotton pads. I'm getting almost a week out of each wick and am almost halfway through one pad in about a month and a half so your few pads should last a good while. Unless you experiment a bunch with coil builds. [emoji6]

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Oh, and about where to reload, I got the very similar Shiseido pads off Amazon. A gazillion pads for about 13 bucks...have been giving them away to my vaping friends.

 

[Coldrake]

want to give a shout out to B2L for sending me a few KGD pads, because if he didn't, im not quite sure I would of ever purchased any on my own. after trying the rayon for the past week and really not seeing any real differences in performance and taste compared to my sterile cotton builds, my hopes weren't to high on the KGD. well I was wrong because I am really liking this stuff, big time! today I rewicked 2 attys and instantly had fantastic results and the flavor is outstanding. and like a lot of you have mentioned, very easy to wick. I just peeled a pad in half, cut about a 1/8 th to 3/16 strip off and threaded thru the coil. perfect on the first try, for both attys which surprised me because of this being the first time using this new cotton. flavor is absolutely awesome and is better then the sterile cotton I have been using, period. the results I am getting from this cotton is what I thought I was going to get from the rayon when I tried that, but I didn't. I mean the rayon was very good imo, but this stuff, for me anyways, is better. now I just received these pads, so im not sure if all these pads are the same density and make-up, but if they are, a simple measurement of the amount of pad width, should correlate to a specific coil diameter, and work relatively care free. it has always been hard to describe the amount of cotton that one should use, but with these pads, it should be a lot easier. next question, where do I get a bunch more?

Take your pick.
https://www.kohgendocosmetics.com/shopproductdetail.asp?prodID=27&catID=16
Koh Gen Do Organic Cotton Pads at DermStore
Koh Gen Do Organic Cotton Pads at Barneys.com
Pure Cotton - 60 Pads | Koh Gen Do

I've been using Koh Gen Do for the last 5 months or so and really don't have any reason to try anything else. No flavor at all from the cotton, no boiling, no chemicals, and it's sooo easy to use. I didn't have to fuss with my cigarettes when I smoked, I don't want to fuss with my APV when I vape.

 

[vapdivrr]

That ease you describe is exactly what sold me on trying the cotton pads. I'm getting almost a week out of each wick and am almost halfway through one pad in about a month and a half so your few pads should last a good while. Unless you experiment a bunch with coil builds. [emoji6]

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Oh, and about where to reload, I got the very similar Shiseido pads off Amazon. A gazillion pads for about 13 bucks...have been giving them away to my vaping friends.

thanks. I do a lot of coil builds but until I get more pads, I will use my other attys.

 

[vapdivrr]

Take your pick.
https://www.kohgendocosmetics.com/shopproductdetail.asp?prodID=27&catID=16
Koh Gen Do Organic Cotton Pads at DermStore
Koh Gen Do Organic Cotton Pads at Barneys.com
Pure Cotton - 60 Pads | Koh Gen Do

I've been using Koh Gen Do for the last 5 months or so and really don't have any reason to try anything else. No flavor at all from the cotton, no boiling, no chemicals, and it's sooo easy to use. I didn't have to fuss with my cigarettes when I smoked, I don't want to fuss with my APV when I vape.

sweet buddy, thanks for the links!

 

[Coldrake]

sweet buddy, thanks for the links!

My pleasure! They tend to run out fairly often, so I thought I'd give you a few choices.

 

[Tinkiegrrl]

Got in a shipment of Muji cut cotton pads, and I gotta say my RTA's seem to be thanking me. I don't know what it is about them. Perhaps because the fibers are all facing one way? Or maybe it's been easier for me to get just the right amount of wicking? It's been great since I started using it. One of my favorite juices had started to loose some of it's flavor to me (once I get used to something, it starts tasting like nothing, which is why I try and switch my toppers and flavors all day) but once I rewicked with Muji it popped right back!