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[Joye 510] 4 Atomizers "dead"(?) in 3 weeks

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  1. RooksGambit

    RooksGambit Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2009
    Lexington, Kentucky
    Alrighty guys, I have to be doing something wrong here.

    In my initial puchase of a Joye 510, I received 2 batteries and two atomizers (wide brass band). Within a week, the first atomizer started pumping out a "bad" tasting vapor. The vapor, I've noticed is also warmer when I get this taste. The second atomizer did the same thing, but this happened hours after switching to it. I can only describe the taste as sort of a musty, plasticky flavor. I would also call it a "brown" taste, if that makes sense to you. I also did a short 3-5 second "dry burn" on both these atty's.

    These first two atty's I cleaned by blowing them out, and using a paper towel within the chamber where the cartridge is mounted.

    Then I purchased two more batteries and atty's (very thin brass band), and the first of these was fine, again for a week or so. The only maintenance I performed on this was to blow it out occasionally. I started getting the same taste with this one as well. So, I blew it out, rinsed with water, let it dry, primed with 2 drops and still the same taste.

    I switched to the second new atty, and it was fine all through my work shift tonight. Then when I get home, I start getting the same taste again! This atty has had zero cleaning or anything else for that matter.

    And my roommate, who bought a 510 Cylon, is still on his first atty for about 2 weeks now, and it's fine. This is seriously frustrating.

    Could a faulty battery do this to my atty's? That's the only other thing I can possibly think of.

    Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot? Should I just give up on the 510? Help a brother out, ECF!


    Update Edit: I bummed my roommates spare atty, and minutes later, I'm getting the same bad taste. What in the hell, folks? Fresh battery, and all of them can't be faulty, right? There are two universal differences between my roommates vaping habits and mine: I'm using a PCC to charge, while he's using a wall charger, and I'm using e-smokeytreats liquids, while he's using ElectroNicStix niquid. Dunno if that helps to nail down a problem, but any and all information can only help.
  2. Nforcer

    Nforcer Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 10, 2009
    A, A
    Try soaking the attys in some alcohol for 20-30 minutes after that blow them and let them dry for another 20 minutes ... also the burnt taste might be because the polyfill from the cart its melting ..try an PTB mod or keep you atomizer wet all the time :D

    PS: Have an atty for 2 months and its still performing well ... after i did the ptb mod i dont get the plastic taste when the atty its dry ..:)
  3. lordmage

    lordmage Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 15, 2008
    Dundalk,Maryland, USA
    something else to consider is the juice you are using clean both attys and test each liquid.
  4. RooksGambit

    RooksGambit Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2009
    Lexington, Kentucky
    The poly has a good dent in it from the atty bridge, and I keep the loose fibers trimmed when they crop up, so I don't think this is the case, but I will definitely try the alcohol.

    As to the liquid, my roommate uses my liquids sometimes, and gets none of the burning taste I'm talking about, but I'll test the liquids (e-smokeytreats marlboro and clove) after I've cleaned the atty's.

    Thanks for the tips guys, any further advice is still welcome, though!

  5. lordmage

    lordmage Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 15, 2008
    Dundalk,Maryland, USA
    well do you mix the liquid on one atty and get the taste or do you have an atty per flavor mixing could also cause the taste
  6. RooksGambit

    RooksGambit Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2009
    Lexington, Kentucky
    I do mix liquids on the same atty. But then again, I have a small bottle of Marlboro/Clove pre-mixed. I am 95% positive this is not a juice issue. The taste I am getting is wholly non-juice-like. And I've actually been sitting here vaping on one of these "bad" atty's. So long as the cart is wet, I'm still getting a good 6-7 hits before I start getting that taste again, and still getting good vapor.

    That said, I never got this taste before when a cart would go dry, or whatever I dripped has burned up, just now.

  7. lordmage

    lordmage Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 15, 2008
    Dundalk,Maryland, USA
    you may have hit a cleaning cycle the soak in Alcohol might clear it up vape thur it if not.
  8. KevinD872

    KevinD872 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 2, 2009
    Chicago (s. suburbs)
    Well, that was my initial thought.... you were smoking them dry, which I have heard is bad for an atty. Are you puffing too often/fast? Have you tried topping off more often?

    How long do you hold down the button (assuming manual battery) when dragging? A general rule is no more than 5 secs. Also, if the atty seems to be getting very hot, I put mine down for 5 minutes to cool.

    My wife and I are each over 3 weeks into our own respective atty with no major problems yet. You think you may be doing something wrong..... if so, hopefully we can figure it out.
  9. cassavetes

    cassavetes Moved On

    Aug 6, 2009
    I had the same problem when using poly filler-burnt 'brown' taste.

    Since switching to the PTB filler I haven't had that taste once, even when vaping on an almost dry cart.

    I've also noticed that some of my atty's seem to burn at a hotter/faster rate. Some can dry out a full cart in about 15 minutes, while others can last hours.
  10. RooksGambit

    RooksGambit Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2009
    Lexington, Kentucky
    I don't think I've vaped the atty particularly dry, but I could be wrong. I was already interested in the PTB mod already, but I still get this taste when dripping, so I don't think it's the poly, either.

    At first I couldn't even hit a 5 second drag, my breathing was that bad, but now I can take a good long drag. I do tend to vape pretty heavily, and my atty's do get hot. I'm starting to taper off on the excessive vaping, now that the novelty has worn off a bit.

    BTW, do "dead" atty's still produce vapor? If not, then they aren't dead. If so, what does the vapor from a dead atty taste like? No rubbing alcohol in the house, unusual. Have to go get some before I try cleaning them.

    Thanks for all the suggestions, guys!


    Edit: Just noticed, the vapor smells like it tastes when it tastes that way...yeah. Dunno if that helps or not.
  11. lordmage

    lordmage Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 15, 2008
    Dundalk,Maryland, USA
    a dead atty will not produce vape or even get hot. a clogged atty can produce some vape with enough drags and will get hot. attys should be drained nightly and dried and cleaned regularly based on age. i just noticed your running a 4 hole which requires less of a drag for vaping maybe a two hole or a 901 maybe better for you those require much more strength behind a vape. they do have nice hits and flavor i loved my 901.
  12. RooksGambit

    RooksGambit Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 13, 2009
    Lexington, Kentucky

    Maybe it is the liquid, then. E-smokeytreats gets good review, though. My roommate has only used my liquid a few times, and he is using niquid from ElectroNicStix, so maybe it's time to switch it up.

  13. lordmage

    lordmage Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Dec 15, 2008
    Dundalk,Maryland, USA
    i never used the same juice for to long. i also mixed alot of my own :p personally i like TW the highest str you can get for me i got 36mg reg tobacco flavor. i also used 36mg from vapornine mixed what i like to make a personal juice. i also tried JC juice but i dont like that now hardly did. i liked there tenn cured and ice cream flavor.
  14. src97

    src97 Senior Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 20, 2009
    NE of USA
    it really sounds like you are letting the atty get too dry. If you vape hard and the atty is getting really only takes 5-7 good drags before you may need to top off or put a drop on the atty.

    i tend to do the same thing and thats why i have dumped carts and just drip. 5-7 good drags then 2 drops directly on more burning taste.
  15. SquirrilahFish

    SquirrilahFish Super Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 5, 2009
    sounds like burnt poly to me
  16. SLDS181

    SLDS181 Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Aug 11, 2009
    Western NJ
    Dead atty's produce no vapor. Yours are not dead.

    1) Too dry - you may be puffing too often, and the liquid is not wicking well and getting to the atty.

    2) Look at your cart, see if its lined up. I've noticed some carts on the 510 to be very, very slightly longer, and if you don't line up those carts with the atty, you melt them.
  17. forJAT

    forJAT Full Member Verified Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    what I am thinking is happening is that your atty is starting to dry up some. I noticed the same thing however I'd call it an "apple core" taste I know that my cart was getting dry when that started -- I would drip then continue about my day. I take long drags and sometimes I notice that the cart top has turned a darker brown than the rest of the filler and it must trap the good juice at the bottom (using Fluval 2 (maybe too much)) so now I just drip

    This morning I loaded up took a few good "Hello World" puffs and turned the coffee pot on (electricity went out in the night) and laid on the couch waiting on it and took a long drag and got that taste, I was like ... I sat up and in the process angled my Titan horizontal instead of upside down and got that English Toffee/State Express Blend taste. So I am thinking you are sucking your carts dry or your carts are clogged and they are not lasting long for you --- you said 7 - 10 drags and it starts tasting foul again --- I drip x2 drops and can get about 15 hits before the taste hits and I am taking min 5 sec drags.

    From the sounds of it keeping it moist is your answer.
  18. customh2

    customh2 New Member

    Jul 21, 2009
    I've been using the 510s for just over 2 months with the same few cartriges, I get a "brown" taste when the fluid gets used up, so I refill as soon as I start to get this taste and it goes away. I've always used juice from (where I bought my e-cigs). Last week I bought liquid from another supplier, appeared to be much thicker consistency, stronger flavor, but in less than a week one atomizer died completely, the other two (one 510, one SmokingEverywhere) stopped producing vapor. I rinsed them out, have been using the original fluid, and they're working somewhat now.

    I'd suspect the fluid for the initial problem (killing atomizers), and suggest refilling more often for the burnt taste
  19. mcl5000

    mcl5000 Super Member ECF Veteran

    Jul 15, 2009
    Allentown, PA
    Use PTB - problem solved.

    Just sounds like you're burning the cart filling.
  20. wdave

    wdave Ultra Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 11, 2009
    Cincinnati, OH
    I keep the atty wet by always keeping a wet cartridge on the atty. And I only clean the atty when the gunk is shorting out the battery. It seems that a surefire way to get a bad taste is to remove the threads coming out from under the bridge. That's wicking and it is supposed to be there.

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