Joyetech c1 aatomizer use nichrome or kanthal?

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Why in vape world are used this kind of highly toxic metals?
I'm really worried about this chinas hardware can't understand why research and development in vape world do not concentrate in non toxic metal legacy thinked for vaping and not for other use.

Is nichrome more dangerous than khantal ?
I vaped 3 or 4 years with elips c using c1 atomizer they use nichrome or khantal...

And now i discovered my justfog use nichrome...
 

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None of the metals used in the wire we use is highly or even slightly toxic when used in semi reasonable power/temp ranges.

If you're bound & determined to believe every tidbit of anti vaping propaganda probably best to quit vaping instead of stressing out about BS.

Nickel is highly toxic i read in many discussions vaper are concerned in nickel wires so i' m wondering if is safer to use khanthal...

Do you know if c1 use khantal or nichrome ?
 

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None of the metals used in the wire we use is highly or even slightly toxic when used in semi reasonable power/temp ranges.

If you're bound & determined to believe every tidbit of anti vaping propaganda probably best to quit vaping instead of stressing out about BS.
Vaping is going to kill the op just from self induced stress.
I think I have to agree with your sentiment in this instance though.
 

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Resistance wire safety guide
August 3, 2015August 4, 2015 morandir835 Product Reviews, TechnoVaping, Vaping TipsKanthal, Nichrome, Nickel, Resistance Wire, SS 304, SS 316, SS 317, Stainless Steel wire, Titanium, Vaping Safety, Vapor Reporter
On episode 32 of Vapor Reporter gave a quick rundown at the end about the safety of the different types of resistance wire we vapers use. I omitted one by mistake, which will be covered here- good ole nichrome wire. On top of the safety rating though will also give a quick rundown of each type.

Stainless Steel 304/316 series. Safety rating- 95 (A+). SS has been used in medical procedures for years, though only recently has found its way into vaping coils. This is also the type of steel used in cookware. Why? Because it has a very high melting point (2400-2750 degrees F), and the questionable alloys in the steel (nickel being the biggest of concern) also require a high amount of heat (2200-2300 degrees F) before they begin to leach. I don’t know any mainstream vaping device that can reach those levels. Stainless Steel also brings a few added bonuses to the table. 304, 316, and 317 (welding wire, also known as GPlat in the community) contains enough nickel so where it can be used in a temperature controlled device. The only downside is it can be a bit tough to work with as it’s a little stiffer than any of the other metals on this list save titanium.

Kanthal (Iron-Chromium-Aluminum)- 88 (B+). Kanthal was the second material used for resistance wire by vapers with good reason. Not only was it tougher than nichrome, but for those who were sensitive to nickel this was a perfect alternative. The safety concerns are two fold. Aluminum has it’s own stigma around it, but the big issue is the chrome content. With enough heat it can be transformed into it’s hexavalent (+6) oxide state, which is a known carcinogen, and leach. This would require you heating the coil to a orange hot state for an extended period of time. It’s why you should still replace your coils at some point, not just the wicking material. My rule is after every 3rd wick replacement and dry burn to remove the gunk. I have seen it suggested from others that you should anywhere between every time you change wicks to every 6th time. Kanthal isn’t compatible with temperature control devices as of writing this.



Titanium- 72 (C). The first alternative to nickel for temperature control to hit the ecig scene. Ti has the highest melting point of all the materials we use (3040 degrees F), has been used in medical procedures, and is one of the toughest metals known to man. So why the average rating? Titanium Oxide, the byproduct of heating it up. The EPA and OSHA have put a limit on how much any worker can inhale during a day. This makes it a questionable material to use for vaping. As long as you aren’t dry burning it, or running it too hot you should be fine, but there is no long term vape testing to say one way or the other. It’s up to the user on whether or not they want to take that risk. Keep in mind this is the stiffest material to use for making coils, which depending on your build style can be a good or bad thing.

NiChrome (Nickle-Chromium w/ some trace elements possible like iron)- 65 (D). Not only was it the first material vapers used for resistance wire, was the first documented material used for creating heat through electrical resistance back in 1905. It gets a very low grade on safety because it combines two metals with known issues. Nickel is a known carcinogen with other issues (will get to it), and as mentioned early Chromium Hexavalent is as well. It has a high melting point (2550 degrees F), but it doesn’t do it a lot of good in real world applications because of how soft the alloy is. 32g nichrome will “pop” easier than 32g kanthal, SS, or Ti. That’s not to say it doesn’t have its uses. For low wattage/temperature vaping you shouldn’t have any real issues. It has a lower resistance than the 3 mentioned before it, making it good for a heat sink material on some more exotic coil builds (think Clapton). It is also very flexible. For high wattage vapers or those sensitive to nickel can not suggest using it though.



Nickel- 55 (F). This material gets a failing grade for a large number of reasons. 1- It’s a known carcinogen linked more often than not to lung cancer. 2- There are people with nickel allergies who simply can not use this material to begin with. While it to has a high melting point (2647 degrees F), it’s such a soft metal that it not only easily pops but is very hard to work with. Like NiChrome it does have a use though- As non-resistant wire (a cheaper alternative to silver or gold). It has the lowest resistance of all the materials listed, so it’s the perfect choice to have electricity run through without heating it up. That’s why it was used back in the day on GG Ithaka and the like as lead wires, and today is used on the SS coil heads by Aspire. Because no heat is generated by the energy flowing through it, there’s almost no chance of it leaching through, meaning there’s very little chance of you breathing any of it in.
 

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I'm thinking it might be better for you to stop vaping. There are far too many unknowns for you to ever be able to feel 100% safe, and instead of using any kind of source critique you jump on fear propaganda. And you're unwilling to listen to those with more experience and knowledge. The odds are very much against you in this.

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I'm thinking it might be better for you to stop vaping. There are far too many unknowns for you to ever be able to feel 100% safe, and instead of using any kind of source critique you jump on fear propaganda. And you're unwilling to listen to those with more experience and knowledge. The odds are very much against you in this.

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Sorry but what answer is this? I love vape and i'm nicotin addicted so the worst options after 3 or 4 years is to go back to the analogs...
I'm just trying to find out the safest style of vaping thats it...
I'm not the first opening a discussion about resistance coil materials.And after long researchs most vapers suggest to avoid nickel and use Kanthal A...
The problem for me is hard to find if a coil use Kanthal A or NiCr how can i find out this?
 

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Kanthal contains chromium and aluminum, both nasty when heated up enough. The thing is, pretty much all wires used for vaping contain some element that's nasty when heated enough. We don't use those materials at high enough temperatures to cause problems. If you're really worried, do research on what the problem temperatures are Ave use a tc mod to ensure that you don't exceed that temperature.

(...waiting for response as to why that's not an option...)

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The safest way to vape is to get away from the first generation old crappy stuff you seem intent on using.
Second is to understand vaping is multitudes of times safer than inhaling the byproducts of smoldering/burning tobacco.
Third is to stop believing iffy sources, the temps your source talks about are far, far above anything that occurs while vaping.
That is unless you purposefully cause an extreme over heating of the material in question just to have something to talk about.

The amount of anxiety & stress caused by your irrational fear of things that only exist in cases of extreme misuse so as to measure some sort of negative health effect are far more detrimental to your health than vaping.
 

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Kanthal contains chromium and aluminum, both nasty when heated up enough. The thing is, pretty much all wires used for vaping contain some element that's nasty when heated enough. We don't use those materials at high enough temperatures to cause problems. If you're really worried, do research on what the problem temperatures are Ave use a tc mod to ensure that you don't exceed that temperature.

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I read Kanthal is a very solid legacy pretty impossible to damage even at very high temperatures...
But most of the peoples are concerned with nickel.I'm not telling of vaping nickel cause of the temperature wich is pretty impossible at the temperature we vape but you know resistance stay all the day immersed in the e-liquid and Farsalinos findout even if we don't do a dry burn some of this metals finish in the liquid.

Dry-burning metal coils: is it a good thing?

Vapers should realize that metals used in coils have not been made to be in continuous direct contact with liquid, to evaporate liquid on their surface and to have the consumer inhale the vapor directly from the coil. This is a completely different issue from what the metal specifications suggest. It is well-known that metals have been detected in the aerosol of e-cigarettes. Williams et al. found chromium and nickel which was coming from the coil itself, although they did not dry-burn the coil. Although we explained in our risk-assessment analysis that the levels found were not of significant health concern, this does not mean that we should accept unnecessary exposure.



The point is let's say Kanthal and Nichrome are not 100% safe but if Khantal is safer than Nichrome and also have a better durability why not?
I hear Nichrome was used at start by vapers but after they all change for khantal why this change if they have similar functionality?
And again how can i recognize if an head use nichrome or khantal A1 at least i would like to be informed and vape using what the vape world belive is safer than the other?
 

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The safest way to vape is to get away from the first generation old crappy stuff you seem intent on using.
Second is to understand vaping is multitudes of times safer than inhaling the byproducts of smoldering/burning tobacco.
Third is to stop believing iffy sources, the temps your source talks about are far, far above anything that occurs while vaping.
That is unless you purposefully cause an extreme over heating of the material in question just to have something to talk about.

The amount of anxiety & stress caused by your irrational fear of things that only exist in cases of extreme misuse so as to measure some sort of negative health effect are far more detrimental to your health than vaping.

Now i'm using Justfog Q16 at 3.4 volt so pretty new hardware at a low wattage.Very cold vapor...
I understood cotton is way safer than silica so my only concern is nichrome cause all the vapers around the web claim Kanthal is safer than Nichrome. So if can find the way to know if some premade coil are made of khantal probably i will go for this avoiding Nickel...
I read also Stainless Steel is the safest material but available ohm are too low for mouth to lungs vaping style so i'm not interested in...
I'm looking the less risky for my vaping style...
 

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And why i'm asking you if C1 atomizer use Khantal or Nichrome for a specific reason...
Not because i want to contiunue with old crappy C1 atomizer heads but because i vape with this system for 3 years without any kind of problems.So if i will find out i vaped 3 years with Nichrome i can feel is pretty safe at least on my body and i don't have to worry about with my Q16 atomizer use nichrome.
But if i vaped 3 years with Kanthal with no problems probably is better i continue to use Kanthal on my system...

Can you help me to find out if ego-c elips-c atomizers c1 used khantal or nichrome please?
 

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Vaping is a SAFER alternative to smoking, it is NOT 100% safe.
I'm not aware of Nicrome being used in vaping until temperature control came along, and I've been doing this a day or two! The original coils were all Kanthal.
As for the coil heads, they will say on the coil heads themselves and on the packaging what material they use. Read the side of the coil, read the box, read the description when you order or buy them. It's on all of these places, easy to find for a lot of reasons.
 
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Vaping is a SAFER alternative to smoking, it is NOT 100% safe.
I'm not aware of Nicrome being used in vaping until temperature control came along, and I've been doing this a day or two! The original coils were all Kanthal.
As for the coil heads, they will say on the coil heads themselves and on the packaging what material they use. Read the side of the coil, read the box, read the description when you order or buy them. It's on all of these places, easy to find for a lot of reasons.

Can you belive i can't find anywhere about the material of the coil on Joyetech or Ovale websites?
 

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Vaping is a SAFER alternative to smoking, it is NOT 100% safe.
I'm not aware of Nicrome being used in vaping until temperature control came along, and I've been doing this a day or two! The original coils were all Kanthal.
As for the coil heads, they will say on the coil heads themselves and on the packaging what material they use. Read the side of the coil, read the box, read the description when you order or buy them. It's on all of these places, easy to find for a lot of reasons.
Nichrome (not pure nickel - ni200 - a very different material) was pretty much the standard wire in clearomizers until fairly recently. People started rebuilding with kanthal, and eventually manufacturers started using that material as well (difficult to know exactly what material is used often though). Some rebuilders prefer nichrome due to it having a lower resistance and heating up faster. Nichrome isn't suitable for tc, it's tcr is too low.

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