Juice-boxes? & other questions

[WOW]

Please excuse my ignorance.....I'm coming out of crayola-ville.

What is a juice box and how does it work? (ie-carts, charging) What is the difference between a juice box and a box mod?

Also, I've been noticing several links to Thagbuilt.com and similar looking larger in length/width items(do these have a specific vaping name?). Are these PV's or casings to hold a PV? Anyone have any reviews on this style of ______???


What is the longest lasting batt you've found with the least technical (or time consuming) fill method that doesn't leave you plugged into your computer or a wall? And has anyone found a great product under $150 - minus juice and with batteries sold by an ecf verified company in the US that doesn't require carts?


tia

Your friendly ecf cupcake dog, looking for the magic of vaping...

 

[Pete54]

Here is one example of a "Juice Box".Welcome to R&R Manufacturing - Handcrafted Battery Box Mods. They are mods that feed juice from a bottle directly to your atty. Some use a plunger to apply pressure to the bottle. Some use an opening in the mod that allows you to press the bottle directly. They are meant to duplicate the excellent vaping characteristics of dripping without the hassle. Some work very well, some don't. As far as batteries go, the 18650 will last you a minimum of a day and a half.

 

[WOW]

Thanks Pete. Where do you put the bottle on those? They sort of look like a thinner version of the ThagBuilt/Chuck here...

which I'm not sure is the same as The Buzz or SparkPlug???

I didn't know they made these in wood. Are they really wood or a wood-look? Do you happen to have a handy link to an on-line, basic instruction manual or personal usage experience on this one?

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This is an example of the style of juice box I had seen....

which seems a lot like the Joye-Stick....(seems these require an atomizer, something I don't want)

Do all these function the same/use the bottles and separate batts like you said and do the ones you posted work with cartomizers? ...I'm not sure what you mean by using a plunger(?)

There are so many on the market without knowing the model #'s it's hard to post about one or another in a specific forum so I'm really looking for reviews/comparisons on the Buzz and juice box styles as well as links. (Unfortunely, there's no instructions on supplier websites with 'how-to's', from those I've seen so far & I don't know the model #'s on these/if they are all the same model in different designs???)

Any help sorting them out or opinions on performance on the juice box and Buzz styles would be appreciated. Just trying to research these as much as possible and haven't seen any reviews on these.

tia

 

[Pete54]

Yikes! Where do I start? Yes they are "real" wood. They come with a basic instruction guide which is all you really need. They are extremely simple to use. Yes I own one, several actually. I've owned about 12 different mods over the last year and the mods made by Ryan at R&R Manufacturing are the most satisfying to me. It comes right down to this. How does the juice get to the coil! You can have the most amazing variable voltage mod with a cool touch sensor button but you are still left trying to find a way to soak the atty coil adequately. There are currently 4 options that I'm aware of.
1) Cartridges - They simply don't work!! End of story!
2) Cartomizers - There are several types and brands on the market and most work quite well.
3) Dripping - This is where 90% of us end up after trying the first two methods because it's simple to do (with a drip tip) and it tastes better by a mile!
4) Juice Feeders - This area is growing quickly. The picture you posted in your link is of Carlos' Juice Box. I believe it was the first one. Imeo (GG) has the AFS (Auto Feed System) that came out quite a while ago as well. Both work great with very minor drawbacks. Carlo's Juice Box uses a proprietary atty that he builds that lasts a long time. When and if it dies, you'd have to send it back to him to be replaced (I believe). I have never used the AFS product but it looks a bit fiddley (is that a word?) to me. Then you have Top Feeders which deliver the juice directly to the top of the atty. They work great and there are quite a few very reasonable models on the market. The only negative I see with them is the tubing that sticks out and winds its way into the atty looks a bit ugly to me. Then you have the Bottom Feeders. These feed juice up through the atty itself, up to the coil. If done properly they work great! Not all systems are the same. Some use a thin tube to feed the juice up the atty. Some feed the juice along a channel of holes that already exist in the atty connector and atty. Some work by holding the mod upside down and pumping juice through a thin tube. You will find people who swear by the system that happens to be in the mod they bought. I'd look for opinions of people who have owned several types and therefor have a basis for honest comparison. Heck there's even a model coming out in the next few months that uses a small motor to pump juice into the atty! I don't want to go into my opinions because every time I do I piss someone off. My point is that juice delivery to the coil is far more important than voltage, button type, mod shape or anything else, unless you choose to drip. If dripping is for you then any mod that provides the proper wattage to the atty you use is fine. I just don't like to constantly pull out a bottle, unscrew it, carefully drip 3 drops in, screw the bottle closed, take 3-5 hits and then repeat over again. Just not for me. I hope this helps. Good luck!

Almost forgot to mention the Wet Box. This is a bottom feeder the feeds juice to a cartomizer. Personally, I don't get it. A full cartomizer lasts me about 4-5 hours so a second one in my pocket and I'm good for the whole day. If I'm going to "feed" something it's going to be an atomizer because it just tastes better!

One more thing. Yes you can put a cartomizer on the feeders I have used, but why would you want to? Just sayin .......


Sorry but I keep seeing other questions in your post that I have not answered. You mentioned that the Ali'i (the mod in the link of my first post) looks just like the Chuck. Have you had your prescription checked lately? One is a wooden box mod the other is a metal tube mod. Completely different animals!

 

[WOW]

wow, Pete!!!!!!!!!! That was a lot more than I expected! Thank-you! (I personally wouldn't get p'o'ed about your opinions - though I can understand. Some people do get very touchy about their choice of product!)

This is a very helpful starting point of what I think is going to be some serious research! I really don't know enough about these things other than yes, cartridges don't work and sitting there stuffing filling into one every hour, when there's alternatives that last for hours at a time, is mind boggling! Coils and voltages I don't know enough about but the way you so pain-stakenly went through the major points relative to the mods, REALLY helped clear up a lot! Top and bottom feeders seems like it would come with bird seed or something, lol! --- It's really too bad the people who create these things don't show their design graphics but, then again, they probably don't want to give away the design so others can copy them. Did you learn all this stuff on ecf or through specific vendor websites? just curious...

As far as the cartomizers, I agree there are some really good ones out there and to further embarrass myself, not knowing what dripping is (it seems less like vaping and more like drinking) I'm using a KR808 and used to cartos. If it came down to a straw-like thing and a carto, I'd stick with the cartos for appearance, being able to interchange parts(if possible it seems like it might save $ using two PV's and familiarity. I could be very mistaken given that I don't know enough - I mean some of these look like the carts or cartos screw onto the top. I'm so just going by these as pics but that's the part I meant looked the same. ) ...I think checking out opinions of others who have or have used several types out there is an excellent suggestion.

I don't know if 'fiddley' is or isn't a 'real' word but it's something to avoid in the extreme....like cartridges! hehe.

ty, again, for taking the time to reply with so much detail. That was so cool of you! (now, I just have to learn about the details of the detail and I might understand these mods! Anything that doesn't mention fiber-filling tends to go over my head cos that's been the biggest deal as far as re-filling goes.)

I'm sure I'm missing replying to some of your post, also. Some things I haven't heard of before but, I'm new to looking into this other than just the graphics. It's a lot of info to take in but, it's also good to know there's a new mod coming out soon. It seems like it would be a lot more automated than having to use one these things UPSIDE DOWN(?)!!! You were joking, right? ...I'm going to have to read your post a few more times - you're a gem though, Pete! - thanks.

 

[Pete54]

Really, the best way to learn is read, read and then read some more! Also, if you have a local vapers club that meets monthly that's a great way to try many mods and juices. We are very lucky here in Florida to have a very active group of vapers! Here are a couple of things for you to try out. Boge makes a very good cartomizer for 510's. IMO they work better than KR808's. They are available at many places but make sure you don't end up with the SLB branded ones. Boges have an aluminum (silver) connector, SLB's are brass. Here is where I buy mine. Blank 510 Mega Cartomizers He sells filled ones as well but I much prefer adding my own juice. Pop the cap off, add 30 drops slowly dripping on the filler not the center tube. Let it sit a few minutes and enjoy several hours of vaping. Also, there is a new type of carto called edition 2. The first ones I tried did not work well but they've revised the design several times and I'm hearing good things about them. I just ordered some to try. Unfortunately, they're out of them now. I'll let you know how they vape and if they're any good, I'll get you the site address.

 

[WOW]

Thanks for the link!

I'm in CA. We don't have a Vapor's Club out here. ....I guess I'm going to have to pack it up and move to FLA, lol!

 

[Pete54]

Plan a vacation for next June 10th and 11th to visit us. We're planning a rather large party called VapeStock here in Florida. Sunshine, beaches and a big party!!!!! Just curious but what part of Cal are you in? I come out to the Sacramento area a couple times a year.

 

[WOW]

Ha! I wish! But, through one link leading to another, I ended up googling Janty (man! the e-gos seem double $ from their main website!!!!!!!! That was the bad news. The good news is I searched for any discount codes and while none on the e-go, on the sidebar there was something about a CA vapors club (the discount website is from last year and the info was more like "would you be interested"/survey-thing-nothing established)

Maybe IvC could bring everyone there to central CA with all the goodies to try out-there's a good possibility someone/s out here could make some food and find some party balloons. By June though, if I can't figure out a few of these of these mods...but it sounds like a fun get-together!

I might though just put off anything cos those automatic ones seem interesting. Some of the ones I was looking at are just too over-priced since they require batts (I thought they were batts!) I really have to do more research on ecf. One though, last for up to 2 days(!!) without needing to be recharged! I can see how the carts could become the least of priority when looking at something with that batt advantage!

Did you say you're trying out some new carts? They don't happen to be the flip ones, do they?
Have you seen those? They look very practical though I haven't tried them myself. --- I hope you get your order soon and they work out for you.

And, do tell when you know?

I just pm'd you too.....

 

[Pete54]

Never tried a flip cart. Link?

 

[WOW]

They're at cig-easy >>> NEW EASY FLIP TOP CARTOMIZERS - I thought more than convenience of a one-piece without needing anything to open them, ya also can't lose the top part in the process. ;-)

There's also a thread about these here:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-suppliers-forum/110125-new-flip-top-cartomizers.html

 

[Pete54]

I see they are KR808 only. I'm sticking with my old tried and true 510's. Besides, I just got my Ali'i in the mail and I'm in juicing heaven!!!

 

[frisco]

I got on of the flip tops as a sample. I didn't care for it. It's difficult to get the juice on the filler because there is a plastic ring that gets in the way. Most of my juice went down the tube. Just my opinion.

 

[WOW]

I got on of the flip tops as a sample. I didn't care for it. It's difficult to get the juice on the filler because there is a plastic ring that gets in the way. Most of my juice went down the tube. Just my opinion.

Thanks for sharing about the plastic ring in it. I've only been using KR808 carts for over 3 months and the ones that have that ring are the older carts. They've been updated A LOT since then so I'm guessing the flip ones are also the shorter/less juice ones as well.

The only vendor that always has the new (cool and wow) ones in stock is V4L. COV sells them also. If they're out and you fill out a 'notify me' box, they restock in a few days. Other vendors I've seen stock 808 (mega or turbo) cartos, stock the prefilled or sell them for a small fortune. --- I just watched a vid that shows if you leave the caps slightly higher that the top of the carto, you can open them without a tool.

The older ones definitely burn through juice like crazy, over heat and are an awful vape, imo.

Which cartos are your favorite?

Thanks again, for head's up on the flips. I was really close to trying them out for the one piece concept.

 

[WOW]

I see they are KR808 only. I'm sticking with my old tried and true 510's. Besides, I just got my Ali'i in the mail and I'm in juicing heaven!!!

How's it going? I've been taking your advice and reading only happy vape posts from people commenting on the Ali'i! It seems a rather elusive mod but one no one seems unhappy with.

501's seem the way to go though I can't complain about my KR808's....just haven't seen any good reviews about using them with mods....just yet. ; -) ...still checking stuff out though. It's like a entire different universe when it comes to mods!

 

[bones25]

Wow....I have a little Chuck (Thag Built) and a wetbox.My avatar is the little chuck and here is the wetbox. I use kr808 cartos like you. http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/6048/purplewetbox.jpg

The lil Chuck is a tube that you can customize when you order it...about 80$. It holds a battery that costs about 7$ that you recharge and lasts me about 2 to 3 times longer than a V4L XL batt. You order it with the 808 connector and just screw the carto on like on the V4L batts.

The wetbox is a bottom juice feeder. You order it with an 808 connector in the color of your choice. It comes with a 3 ml bottle that has a needle on top. Your liquid goes in the bottle, and the bottle goes in the wetbox and when you squeeze the bottle, it comes out the needle on the top. The 808 carto screws onto the top over the needle. When the liquid comes out the top, it is delivered to the inside of the carto so you don't have to refill the usual way when the taste goes off. You just feed the liquid into the carto by squeezing the bottle, liquid goes thru needle into carto insides...until the 3 ml bottle is empty....about 50$ plus 6$ batt plus shipping.Battery for this lasts about half to 3/4 day, then recharge it. You don't have to use the wetbox upside down.

Batts for both mods look like regular flashlight type batteries but are lithium ion.

 

[WOW]

Whoowhee! That explained it! I swear these vendors think we all have x-ray vision or something! I really appreciate these detailed replies. There's just so many out there, it helps to have some idea of how they work compared to non-mods!

Where did you find Carlo's mod? I googled for it and only came up with reviews (no details on anything or links)

So do these things work with flashlight batteries and/or regular battery chargers or only the ones they come with?

I know I hate even the thought of atomizers - for me it's carts. I don't get how the needled one could possible fill one evenly though. Other than that, there might just be a flickering lightbulb at the end of this mod research tunnel....I hope!

 

[Brad524]

The needle goes up through the center of the carto, so when you squeeze the bottle it wets the carto. The Carlos: Juice Box These have their own Built-In atomizer. There is a subforum here somewhere. It takes some getting used to and takes a while to break it in as well.

 

[WOW]

Thanks for the info....if it were free, if the atomizer's built in and they go out a lot faster than carts, the whole unit is shot! I hate atomizers! Didn't know it worked like that.

Again, thanks for clarifying more about this one. They have a few other nice mods there, though....hmmm.

Did you have trouble deciding which mod you wanted or what was the most important feature that helped you make your decision?

The needle goes up through the center of the carto, so when you squeeze the bottle it wets the carto. The Carlos: Juice Box These have their own Built-In atomizer. There is a subforum here somewhere. It takes some getting used to and takes a while to break it in as well.

 

[Brad524]

It's actually a custom built atomizer and people have had them running just about every day for over a year without any issues. Honestly in my 13months vaping I still have yet to find my ideal device. My next step is going to be an adjustable voltage device, just because differant juices taste better with differant voltages. As you can tell by my sig, I do have a few devices and have had others that just weren't for me.