juice tastes better at lower voltage

[mrsquash]

I recently upgraded to a vamo and i'm loving the immensely more powerful vape.
Even at same voltage, vamo seems to hit harder than an ego.
But now my problem is, all the juices starts irritating my throat.
I'm vaping a hawaiian paradise from rorarvapor and before on ego twist, it was tarty but okay smooth.
Now with the vamo, vaping seems to scratch my throat. I'm vaping a 12mg nic.
And this is happening with ALL my juices.
Anyone get the same?

 

[msween00]

Did you put it in RMS mode rather than the default AVG mode? AVG mode can fire at voltages higher than you've selected.

I've been thinking of getting a vamo, currently on an eGo twist. You like it a lot better? Where did you get it from?

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[RelativeBewt]

vamos are great, i love mine. but as with any PWM device its always going to seem like its firing higher than it is.

 

[candimccann]

^^what MsWeen00 said

 

[sailense]

And, just so you know what PWM is, I'm going to give you an explanation that is almost completely wrong, but is enough to give you the idea of what's going on.

PWM = Pulse Width Modulation

Basically, it fires at 6v over time to give the specified voltage. I'm going to use the avg instead of the rms since it's easier to see.

Let's say we set it to 3v. For a 1 second hit, let's say you take measurements every 10th of a second for 10 total measurements. If the bettary is fired, or pulsed, 6 times in that second, we get the following in our measurements:

6v, 0v, 6v, 0v, 6v, 0v, 6v, 0v, 6v, 0v

So, the average is now:

6+0+6+0+6+0+6+0+6+0 = 30
30/10 = 3v (avg)

That's how you get 3v from the setting.

PWM is also responsible for the rattlesnake sound when firing as what you're hearing is each pulse at 6v. And, obviously, if you set it to 6v, it will just fire continuously.

 

[Baditude]

vamos are great, i love mine. but as with any PWM device its always going to seem like its firing higher than it is.

The exception being a Provari.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

 

[chrisw21]

The exception being a Provari.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/provari/381232-provari-oscope-vs-vamo.html

AWESOME!!!! Let's just now ask the OP to change the title of his thread to "PROVARI RULES"...... Seriously, I'm not trying to insult anyone or cause drama, but can we please just help the OP with the question posted??? Honestly, I've never tried a Provari. Never even seen one in person. I have 3 different devices I use, ranging from $19.95 to $99.95 in initial cost. They all have their pluses and minuses, and all have their own little niche in my world. Each of them also took a little getting used to and each acts a little differently. All this person is asking is how to figure out the little nuances of their particular device. Let's just please try to help rather than telling him/her that they (in your opinion) bought the wrong thing. Because really, in the end, they made the right choice by buying something other than an analog.....

Can't we all just get along?????


(stepping off the soap box now....)

 

[DC2]

AWESOME!!!!

That was a little rough!


I think his comment was relevant to the discussion.
And I don't even own a Provari yet.

 

[kojiro]

Yet another reason is internal resistance of your battery. On vamo it does not matter, because electronics adjust your voltage, and on unregulated devices it can decrease actual voltage on the coil.

 

[CookingWithGuns]

yeah I can't wait to get a vamo because my biggest problem on my ego is the voltage decreases as the battery gets lower

 

[Baditude]

AWESOME!!!! Let's just now ask the OP to change the title of his thread to "PROVARI RULES"...... Seriously, I'm not trying to insult anyone or cause drama, but can we please just help the OP with the question posted??? Honestly, I've never tried a Provari. Never even seen one in person. I have 3 different devices I use, ranging from $19.95 to $99.95 in initial cost. They all have their pluses and minuses, and all have their own little niche in my world. Each of them also took a little getting used to and each acts a little differently. All this person is asking is how to figure out the little nuances of their particular device. Let's just please try to help rather than telling him/her that they (in your opinion) bought the wrong thing. Because really, in the end, they made the right choice by buying something other than an analog.....

Can't we all just get along?????


(stepping off the soap box now....)

I was not insulting the OP for using a Vamo. Where did you ever get THAT notion? Give me a break! At no time did I say anything about a Vamo.

I was merely responding to a comment made by another poster about PWM and how it has certain "characteristics" which some vapors can distinguish with "most" devices that use PWM. I was adding to that topic that the Provari's PWM is uniquely different from those other devices and has none of the characteristics of those. I even provided a link to a specific discussion on the topic to back up MY statement. (I doubt that you even bothered to click the link.)

Sometimes the starting topic in threads takes a slight side turn, and sometimes about something not totally related but still relevant to other vapors. And there's no problem with that in my opinion if it is something that could be useful to others vapors. My comment was relevant to the discussion.

If anyone should feel insulted by a comment it would be me. You had no reason to call me out like that. That's ok, I've got thick skin. Maybe you should follow your own advice.

"Can't we all just get along?."

Has prejudice gotten so bad on ECF that no one can even say the word "Provari" without the haters coming out of the woodwork? What advice did YOU give the OP?

 

[chrisw21]

I was not insulting the OP for using a Vamo. Where did you ever get THAT notion? Give me a break! I was merely responding to a comment made by another poster about PWM and how it has certain "characteristics" which some vapors can distinguish with "most" devices that use PWM. I was adding to that topic that the Provari's PWM is uniquely different from those other devices and has none of the characteristics of those. I even provided a link to a specific discussion on the topic to back up MY statement.

Sometimes the starting topic in threads takes a side turn, possibly about something not totally related but still relevant to other vapors, and there's no problem with that in my opinion if it something that could be useful to others vapors.

If anyone should feel insulted by a comment it would be me. You had no reason to call me out like that. That's ok, I've got thick skin. Maybe you should follow your own advice.

"Can't we all just get along?."

Like I said Baditude.... I don't want to insult anyone. After re-reading my post I can see how it came off like that and I sincerely DO apologize. I've lurked on this forum LONG before I became a member and I do realize that you have many, many useful contributions here, and in doing so you have my respect. I just sometimes get a little frustrated when someone comes asking for help and their thread gets diverted in to a different direction (as I have now done with this thread). I know that I have come to these forums and spent countless hours going through threads looking for answers, only to read 16 pages of threads that got diverted. I come to forums to find answers when I need them, and discussions when I want them. I just thought that the OP was looking for answer for his particular situation, and I would like to see the OP find their particular solution.

 

[Baditude]

double post deleted.

 

[Baditude]

I recently upgraded to a vamo and i'm loving the immensely more powerful vape.
Even at same voltage, vamo seems to hit harder than an ego.
But now my problem is, all the juices starts irritating my throat.
I'm vaping a hawaiian paradise from rorarvapor and before on ego twist, it was tarty but okay smooth.
Now with the vamo, vaping seems to scratch my throat. I'm vaping a 12mg nic.
And this is happening with ALL my juices.
Anyone get the same?

As mentioned before, nearly all of the current regulated APVs manufactured in China use lower technology PWM to create higher voltage. This chip may cause the unit to appear to "hit harder" by actually providing more voltage than what the user sets. The Provari happens to use a higher technology, more accurate, and more expensive PWM circuit which many vapors experience as an improvement.

I own the China-made Smoktech V-V Gripper and Segelei V8, which use the aforementioned PWM circuit. I know before setting my voltage to automatically knock down the settings up to 1 volt lower than I normally would use with my Provari's to get the same perceived voltage. This is pretty common knowledge known to vapors who own both a Provari or one of the other regulated mods.

So may I suggest to the OP is to do as many vapors do with one of those regulated APVs, and that is to automatically set you voltage 0.5 - 1.0 volt lower than you might with your eGo.

The resistance of your juice delivery device can affect the vapor you desire. You may find a higher resistance coil to be more to you liking, for what some of us call a "cooler vape". Using a longer drip tip will help cool the vapor. Using a bottom coiled delivery device, as opposed to a top coiled one, will allow for a cooler vape.

 

[elscorcho]

As mentioned before, nearly all of the current regulated APVs manufactured in China use lower technology PWM to create higher voltage. This chip may cause the unit to appear to "hit harder" by actually providing more voltage than what the user sets. The Provari happens to use a higher technology, more accurate, and more expensive PWM circuit which many vapors experience as an improvement.

I own the China-made Smoktech V-V Gripper and Segelei V8, which use the aforementioned PWM circuit. I know before setting my voltage to automatically knock down the settings up to 1 volt lower than I normally would use with my Provari's to get the same perceived voltage. This is pretty common knowledge known to vapors who own both a Provari or one of the other regulated mods.

So may I suggest to the OP is to do as many vapors do with one of those regulated APVs, and that is to automatically set you voltage 0.5 - 1.0 volt lower than you might with your eGo.

The resistance of you juice delivery device can affect the vapor you desire. You may find a higher resistance coil to be more to you liking, for what some of us call a "cooler vape". Using a longer drip tip will help cool the vapor. Using a bottom coiled delivery device, as opposed to a top coiled one, will allow for a cooler vape.

Well said, baditude. I always wondered why I enjoyed my SVD with lower-than-anticipated voltages.

 

[Beequeen]

As mentioned before, nearly all of the current regulated APVs manufactured in China use lower technology PWM to create higher voltage. This chip may cause the unit to appear to "hit harder" by actually providing more voltage than what the user sets. The Provari happens to use a higher technology, more accurate, and more expensive PWM circuit which many vapors experience as an improvement.

I own the China-made Smoktech V-V Gripper and Segelei V8, which use the aforementioned PWM circuit. I know before setting my voltage to automatically knock down the settings up to 1 volt lower than I normally would use with my Provari's to get the same perceived voltage. This is pretty common knowledge known to vapors who own both a Provari or one of the other regulated mods.

So may I suggest to the OP is to do as many vapors do with one of those regulated APVs, and that is to automatically set you voltage 0.5 - 1.0 volt lower than you might with your eGo.

The resistance of your juice delivery device can affect the vapor you desire. You may find a higher resistance coil to be more to you liking, for what some of us call a "cooler vape". Using a longer drip tip will help cool the vapor. Using a bottom coiled delivery device, as opposed to a top coiled one, will allow for a cooler vape.

- Ok, now this is a nugget of gold, as far as info that pertains to me as well (as the owner of a Vamo and various other VV/VW devices). Next on my list will be one of those super long drip tips, and I'm going to try dialing down the volts a wee bit. Thanks Baditude!

When I first started vaping heavily, I was tearing my throat up because I was sucking the life out of my devices, especially when I went from my "starter" ecig, a Volcano Inferno, to a mod. Op, is it also possible that this is the case for you, as well? The sore throat is long gone, but yeah, it was painful at first.

 

[crxess]

Please close the Can of worms.

When people learn to offer Help and Not try selling we will all get along.

PWM........... is NOT what causes the Rattle Snake effect. The 33Hz modulation of the PWM is that issue.
I.E. all 33Hz Make that sound.
Provari does not
eVic does not.

A little study of sound perception would help in understanding.

To Op - Vamo needs to be in RMS mode for smoothest performance. Vamo DOES tend to run slightly hotter than other regulated mods at it's Displayed setting. May be the chip set is a bit skewed. Does not matter. Simple back down 1/2-3/4 volt to match expected output.
Did I mention RMS MODE
Love using my Vamo but it definitely hits different than my eVics. Great unit for dripping or 1.2-1.8 ohm tank setups.

Did not see a delivery system listed. Maybe it cannot keep up - poor/slow wicking causing dry air hits.
Scratchy is an indicator of low wicking or low air flow across the wick/coil.

 

[Kells]

The vamo is the best vaping purchase ive made, but you do need to take a little while to figure out the settings. That could be your issue.

 

[Baditude]

- Ok, now this is a nugget of gold, as far as info that pertains to me as well (as the owner of a Vamo and various other VV/VW devices). Next on my list will be one of those super long drip tips, and I'm going to try dialing down the volts a wee bit. Thanks Baditude!

The longer drip tips do seem to help. I got this one for one of my RBAs: 510 Long Skinny Drip Tip - Aluminum - MyFreedomSmokes.com



By the way, I really love your Avatar pic. I assume that's you?