Juice, Viscosity Ratings, Disclosure

[JohnKing]

Mountains out of mole hills.
Unless you eat Ramen noodles every day, for every meal, then this whole juice viscosity thing really isn't that hard to overcome. Nothing about vaping is really that hard, actually. As stated above, simple temperature change will affect juice viscosity enough to make "ratings" useless.
Do more research and truly understand the product you're using here instead of trying to change an entire industry to suit your personal needs (laziness). If it's still too hard might I suggest you slap a patch on or chew some nicotine gum. Those are consistent and easy to use.

I vape and store all my juices in my lab, the temps are constant, I suppose global warming will affect things as well if you want to nit-pick. It's lazy on the part of vendors to not label their product so customers can make predictable, well-educated purchases.

Ramen noodles? Hopefully those days are looooong gone .

Sorry you are looking for an argument and find the need to insult me but I didn't post an argument, the vendors who latch on and offer consistency will be the ones to profit. You can tinker with juices all day long, your life.

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

I vape and store all my juices in my lab, the temps are constant, I suppose global warming will affect things as well if you want to nit-pick. It's lazy on the part of vendors to not label their product so customers can make predictable, well-educated purchases.

Ramen noodles? Hopefully those days are looooong gone .

Sorry you are looking for an argument and find the need to insult me but I didn't post an argument, the vendors who latch on and offer consistency will be the ones to profit. You can tinker with juices all day long, your life.

Good, we've established that you only vape in your temperature controlled lab. Remind us again why an industry has to cater to your specific needs?

 

[ShannonS]

Mountains out of mole hills.
Unless you eat Ramen noodles every day, for every meal, then this whole juice viscosity thing really isn't that hard to overcome. Nothing about vaping is really that hard, actually. As stated above, simple temperature change will affect juice viscosity enough to make "ratings" useless.
Do more research and truly understand the product you're using here instead of trying to change an entire industry to suit your personal needs (laziness). If it's still too hard might I suggest you slap a patch on or chew some nicotine gum. Those are consistent and easy to use.

Yay!

People think I'm angry, but I'm just amused when there are so many real issues to address and someone makes a sweeping call for industry change over something that seems mostly nonsense and is easily addressed.

Honestly, I'm trying to see it from the OP's point of view, but I just can't drum up any empathy for his plight.

I'm grateful. If people think devices and juice are inconsistent now, they should have seen them a couple of years ago. I can vape delicious juice for hours with no problems at all. I guess when people who have so many awesome choices are whiny, I have a desire to yank their chains.

Honestly sometimes when people threaten to take their ball home, you should let them and make more room on the playground for people who really want to be there.

 

[JohnKing]

Good, we've established that you only vape in your temperature controlled lab. Remind us again why an industry has to cater to your specific needs?

too get my money

 

[JohnKing]

Yay!

People think I'm angry, but I'm just amused when there are so many real issues to address and someone makes a sweeping call for industry change over something that seems mostly nonsense and is easily addressed.

I'm grateful. If people think devices and juice are inconsistent now, they should have seen them a couple of years ago. I can vape delicious juice for hours with no problems at all. I guess when people who have so many awesome choices are whiny, I have a desire to yank their chains.

Honestly sometimes when people threaten to take their ball home, you should let them and make more room on the playground for people who really want to be there.

I'm still getting around in a horse and buggy but I won't knock you for wanting a car. Sounds kinda whiny to demand transportation that is modern when you could be doing things like ME

 

[webbcm127]

so i just read all these post about 3 times now, as an automotive tech i understand where the OP is coming from with the viscosity. i however understand where everyone else is coming from, the reason i believe that a vendor wouldnt beable to make a decent V-rating is simply because there are too many variable, with a vehicle you have a stong understanding of the givin variable...i.g. average running temp, average cold temp, RPMs ect ect, with juice if u pull it out of your mail box lets say its 60degrees, you try it out...to thick.....you put it on a table next to your heater and it hits 80 degrees and its too thin........see where this is going, the other problem is that alot of juice vendors dont have the equipment to do the proper test on all of the variable conditions "ones givin juice" might go through. once again i do understand the want, but there really isnt a good way to do that, if a vendor did make a v-rating it would still be very unreliable...best of luck to the OP and hope you choose to stick with vaping and forget about the analogs...have a great day!!!!-)

 

[JohnKing]

so i just read all these post about 3 times now, as an automotive tech i understand where the OP is coming from with the viscosity. i however understand where everyone else is coming from, the reason i believe that a vendor wouldnt beable to make a decent V-rating is simply because there are too many variable, with a vehicle you have a stong understanding of the givin variable...i.g. average running temp, average cold temp, RPMs ect ect, with juice if u pull it out of your mail box lets say its 60degrees, you try it out...to thick.....you put it on a table next to your heater and it hits 80 degrees and its too thin........see where this is going, the other problem is that alot of juice vendors dont have the equipment to do the proper test on all of the variable conditions "ones givin juice" might go through. once again i do understand the want, but there really isnt a good way to do that, if a vendor did make a v-rating it would still be very unreliable...best of luck to the OP and hope you choose to stick with vaping and forget about the analogs...have a great day!!!!-)

The temperature thing is pretty bogus, you set a rating based on a certain temp, room temperature will probably work for most of the people who have rooms. You are going to extremes, cars aren't people, we don't sleep out in the road or in the garage. But let's say some live outdoors like cars, they would still benefit from a consistent product, they could buy thinner juices (80w) in the winter and thicker juices(40w) for the summer, not take crap shoots when they went into town to use the puter.

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

as an automotive tech i understand where the OP is coming from

Cars don't ping given the proper oil

LOL...you didn't catch that?

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

If you're trying to boost your post count, through outlandish discussion, to gain some kind of credibility in the 'OUTSIDE!' I'll tell you right now you're wasting your time and ours.



Nice 'game'.

 

[ShannonS]

I'm still getting around in a horse and buggy but I won't knock you for wanting a car. Sounds kinda whiny to demand transportation that is modern when you could be doing things like ME

See, you are in a car, but I want a space ship

I want an auto feeding smart varible voltage device with digital readout that looks like something mundane like a cellphone or ipod so no one knows I'm vaping. It has to last 48 hours, use multiple power sources and adjusts to the vaper's individual draw to always keep the atty wet.

That way you won't have to fuss about flooding because you haven't really mastered dripping yet and want the industry to fix it for you, lol.

 

[JohnKing]

LOL. I want an auto feeding smart varible voltage device with digital readout that looks like something mundane like a cellphone or ipod so no one knows I'm vaping. It has to last 48 hours, use multiple power sources and adjusts to the vaper's individual draw to always keep the atty wet.

That way you won't have to fuss about flooding because you haven't really mastered dripping yet and want the industry to fix it for you, lol.

an expert vaper I see. Maybe we can start issuing certificates to proudly hang on the wall.

 

[webbcm127]

The temperature thing is pretty bogus, you set a rating based on a certain temp, room temperature will probably work for most of the people who have rooms. You are going to extremes, cars aren't people, we don't sleep out in the road or in the garage.

granted we dont sleep out in the road ect but we are still exsposed to the elements, im not going to extreems...i was simply using examples, so even if you were to forget about the tempetures all other possible variables you can come up with are still present and as previously stated the equipment to conduct such "test" is not only expensive but not easy to come by, i would assume you would rather pay a higher amout to have a V-rating labled then to find a vendor that has somthing you like. like you not wanting to start an argument and i feel where your coming from but like others have mentioned PV's are still in the begining stages of the development, think of a model T...compared with a 2011 corvette....quite a differance...but it took quite awhile to get there (no?

 

[JohnKing]

If you're trying to boost your post count, through outlandish discussion, to gain some kind of credibility in the 'OUTSIDE!' I'll tell you right now you're wasting your time and ours.



Nice 'game'.

I smell a stalker.....

 

[JonnyVapΣ]

I smell a stalker.....

Your sense of smell is wrong.

 

[webbcm127]

LOL...you didn't catch that?

lol!-) it was more for the whole viscosity and understanding of it;-)

 

[Stosh]

Viscosity ratings would be a nice touch, but from my experience from ordering and DIY juices nearly impossible for a vendor to track.
If you keep the PG/VG ratio the exact same but add 5%, 10%, 15% flavoring, PG based or alcolol
based, you end up with 6 different viscosities. Some vendors offer 10 different PG/VP mixes with
single, double and triple flavor options, and an option for an extra splash of flavor, offering 50-100
flavors and the permutations would create a nightmare.
Providing a constant product where the flavor and viscosity is the same over multiple orders is most important to me.

p.s. For the blue foam mod:
The answer I found was to pay close attention to how fast the foam absorbs the juice filling the cart.
This will be somewhat of an indication of how it will perform, and the viscosity of your
particular juice blend.

It wicks out as fast or slow as it goes in..., if it leaks cut a bigger piece, if you get
dry hits shave a little off.

 

[JohnKing]

granted we dont sleep out in the road ect but we are still exsposed to the elements, im not going to extreems...i was simply using examples, so even if you were to forget about the tempetures all other possible variables you can come up with are still present and as previously stated the equipment to conduct such "test" is not only expensive but not easy to come by, i would assume you would rather pay a higher amout to have a V-rating labled then to find a vendor that has somthing you like. like you not wanting to start an argument and i feel where your coming from but like others have mentioned PV's are still in the begining stages of the development, think of a model T...compared with a 2011 corvette....quite a differance...but it took quite awhile to get there (no?

Actually I just put the idea out there, I didn't realize it would start a hullabaloo. If you like perpetual beta products and have the time and money to constantly tinker with juice formulas and you enjoy that sort of thing I suppose this means nothing to you but I don't see a need to get defensive.

Is everyone so forgiving with other products, would you put oil in a customers car that was labeled "thick" or "thin"?

 

[webbcm127]

Actually I just put the idea out there, I didn't realize it would start a hullabaloo. If you like perpetual beta products and have the time and money to constantly tinker with juice formulas and you enjoy that sort of thing I suppose this means nothing to you but I don't see a need to get defensive.

Is everyone so forgiving with other products, would you put oil in a customers car that was labeled "thick" or "thin"?

well is some ways thats what most car companies do, new cars get, thin-5/w30 older get/10/w30 some might get extra thick 40w(its kinda like an all VG mix)..lol

 

[ShannonS]

Actually I just put the idea out there, I didn't realize it would start a hullabaloo. If you like perpetual beta products and have the time and money to constantly tinker with juice formulas and you enjoy that sort of thing I suppose this means nothing to you but I don't see a need to get defensive.

Is everyone so forgiving with other products, would you put oil in a customers car that was labeled "thick" or "thin"?

What moving parts do you think we are lubricating?

 

[JohnKing]

well is some ways thats what most car companies do, new cars get, thin-5/w30 older get/10/w30 some might get extra thick 40w(its kinda like an all VG mix)..lol

you kinda make my point. Different viscosity needs for different circumstances. Now, how many go out and buy "thick" oil, take it home and tinker with it?