Juices-From Fame to Shame

[FRANKSTER]

That's your problem right there. You judge e-liquids by invalid standards. e-liquid is not a cigarette, or a pipe, or a candybar, or a cookie. It's an e-liquid. Learn to appreciate it for what it is rather for what it is not, and then maybe you'll get somewhere. Otherwise you are just clowning around, and occasionally pissing people off.

Yes, there are bad liquids. But there are also very good and creative liquids. Just saying. FWIW. Though I suspect my opinion - or anyone else's - isn't worth much to you. No offense. Lots of people are like that. Whether your mind - or your taste-buds - are open or closed is your own choice.

But thank you for an entertaining thread. It is my sincere hope that at least half of what you say is in jest.

I think you are completely wrong...I am not looking for an e-liquid that taste like a cigarette, if I was, why would I vape? I judge e-liquids by 5 standards and none can deliver each standard with satisfaction and that includes Bounty Hunter which I have revisited after vaping it for a couple of weeks. It goes from hall of fame into my hall of mediocrity.

As for the entertainment, I am happy that people are entertained because I have yet to be entertained on someone's else's thread. Also, as for the jesting...I am sincerely not jesting...I mean everything that I state at the moment I state it. I change my mind many times concerning juices because they change over time. I always try to correct a previous statement concerning a juice.

Here is something interesting concerning the big ry4 roundup. Ry4 is made up of 4 ingredients as I am to understand. So, if you have 10 different blends of each ingredient, that will give you 10,000 combos. That said, the roundup can go on for 20 more years...lol...god help me if I have to see that in my post. Now, that is a boring thread taking boredom to a new level that is excruciating. Btw, this is not a jest. Just want you to be informed....lmao!!!!!!!!!

 

[Briar]

I think you are completely wrong...

Undoubtedly.

....lmao!!!!!!!!!

Hm. That particular part of your anatomy must be long gone by now...

 

[FRANKSTER]

Undoubtedly.



Hm. That particular part of your anatomy must be long gone by now...

Now, that was not nice...you should be a bit ashamed of yourself...don't you think?

 

[Briar]

Now, that was not nice...you should be a bit ashamed of yourself...don't you think?

Eh... no. What did I do? You keep saying "LMAO". It was just a joke. You *do* say that a lot.

 

[zenman]

Frankster, my favorite is "you need to let it steep." How about no? How about YOU steep it and sell it to me when it is ready to vape? I pay you good money to sit and watch your paint dry. I'm putting on a suit of armor before I say this but a certain popular juice seems to be leaving the womb a bit early to satisfy demand and the once untouchable flavor is slipping in quality quickly. I guess I need to "let it steep" for 6 months first.
On a positive note, Halo Tribeca has been very kind to my cartos, has a great flavor and I can vape it right out of the box. As it should be

 

[DKS-1]

You know, when you buy a new car, and especially a new Harley, you have to break the engine in at first. Is it wrong that the dealer doesn't do that first, too? I keep enough Bounty Hunter on hand that I'm months ahead of the game, so it's not an issue for me. Same deal with Gold now, Just bought 3 130ml mini-jugs of it after I tried a couple of 30ml bottles. Fine wine has to age as well, Just saying. . . .

I am going to have to put Vermillion's Kentucky Premium Blend right into my hall of Mediocrity. This is my second go around with this juice and I am very disappointed. It goes ok for about an hour and then becomes such a dry and boring vape. I had this juice going for about 4 days because I had nothing else and it was pretty bad. Also, I coughed more in the last 3 days than I did in the last 10 years of smoking.

I just got my Bounty Hunter in and all I can say is thank god. Best all around juice in Vapeland. It does everything a juice should do and yet there is none out there. I find that incredible. It taste great, great th, plenty of vapor. You do not have to wait until xmas to have it and it works great in a cart. Not to mention the cheap price.

Since all of Vermillion's tobaccos all have the same taste. Another vendor bites the dust. All that is left for me right now is bwb for their honey flu and nitelite for their bounty hunter and light house. If these 2 vendors go out of business, I will have to smoke a pipe. I hope not or maybe, just maybe...vendors will learn how to make a good juice. Would that not be wonderful? Do not hold your breath!!

Have you tried NLV's Gold yet?

 

[El Carto]

well..i gotta step in on this.....batts,,cartos,,and tanks,,all do their job,,,however,,,its the FLAVOR! that keeps vapers,,tokin,,,the aggrevation for the right flavor is IMMENSE!,,,hmmm....starters want tobacco,,,,,then find multi-blends like casa,,and boba,,,ry4,,,,555,,to satisfy,,,then taste buds want more(usually due to low nic,,im doin 18mg,,,shoulda had 24-no higher..),,,being low nic,,,i still use analogs,,,tired of spending $ on pre-mix,,im goin DIY flavors,,,not hard,,,very cost effective,,,and perfect for the educated starter,,,(which i believe,,are 70% of view...you know if you are...its a tricky game...but COMMON SENSE tells you..)...ive got so much to say on this topic,,i will just do a u-tube vid,,to educate,,not advise,,the average new consumer to the perils of overspending to find the right FLAVOR!,,,,,,,i will be back.................

 

[El Carto]

halo known for quality,,but a bit pricy,,, on a budget,,,,,,i will check tribeca,,,when i can afford it,,then reproduce it,,,its the american way,,,,ill factor all considerations,,,zenman,,,,great tip,,,,i thank you..!..............

 

[dragonbone]

halo known for quality,,but a bit pricy,,, on a budget,,,,,,i will check tribeca,,,when i can afford it,,then reproduce it,,,its the american way,,,,ill factor all considerations,,,zenman,,,,great tip,,,,i thank you..!..............

....,,,,,,????.....i gotta wonda...,,,,m,....why.....,,,.....

 

[zenman]

Halo IS too pricey for me to daily. Vermillion River Kentucky Premium is good, a little cheaper and in that vein. I'm going to try IKenvape Ry4 as the price is right.

DK, I don't drink wine but when I go into a store and want a Coke, I want to crack it open and enjoy. Not wait months. We could volley analogies back and forth endlessly. I think it is a bit of greed that is letting these juices head out ahead of time. I never had to steep a Nat Sherman

 

[Briar]

Firstly, there are juices that you don't need to steep. Lots of them, actually. They are perfectly fine right out of the bottle.

Secondly, sure, you can be cynical about it. But if you choose not to be, you can consider this: different people like different levels of "aging". So making it fresh accommodates everyone. Also, for lots of people "made to order just for you" is a selling point, not a detriment. And another consideration is that for some more popular vendors the demand is exceeding their production speed sometimes. Stuff doesn't sit on the shelves.

And, I gotta say this, in general response to this thread, 'cause it's bugging me: this piling on the vendors is not appropriate or fair imho. Every single vendor I've dealt with in three years has been nothing but nice and attentive. Some of them do this as a hobby, they are not a huge operation, and they bend over backwards to accomodate special requests, etc. Some of them are very, very creative, and come up with really interesting and engaging flavors. These are not faceless corporations on whom you can blame all the ills of the world, they are real people. Sure, they try to make money - everyone has to live. But lots of them love what they do, are good to their customers, and do a damn good job. And some few are true artists. Sure, there are those who may not be all that great - just because I haven't met them doesn't mean they aren't there. But don't pile everyone into the same heap.

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DK, I don't drink wine but when I go into a store and want a Coke, I want to crack it open and enjoy. Not wait months. We could volley analogies back and forth endlessly. I think it is a bit of greed that is letting these juices head out ahead of time. I never had to steep a Nat Sherman

 

[Jim Bob]

Aging (steeping) is usually needed for complex flavors the more flavors the more aging is needed for MOST people's tastes/palates, many tobaccos fall into this scope. When you find one you love to vape you order ahead of time to accomplish this, no harm no foul. As mentioned what age I like X joose someone else may like right out of the box or aged much longer, it would be impossible to "age it perfectly for all", selling fresh is the ONLY option, if you like it fresh that's great if not YOU can age it to suit YOUR taste, no one else can know YOUR taste profiles.

 

[DKS-1]

Firstly, there are juices that you don't need to steep. Lots of them, actually. They are perfectly fine right out of the bottle.

Secondly, sure, you can be cynical about it. But if you choose not to be, you can consider this: different people like different levels of "aging". So making it fresh accommodates everyone. Also, for lots of people "made to order just for you" is a selling point, not a detriment. And another consideration is that for some more popular vendors the demand is exceeding their production speed sometimes. Stuff doesn't sit on the shelves.

And, I gotta say this, in general response to this thread, 'cause it's bugging me: this piling on the vendors is not appropriate or fair imho. Every single vendor I've dealt with in three years has been nothing but nice and attentive. Some of them do this as a hobby, they are not a huge operation, and they bend over backwards to accomodate special requests, etc. Some of them are very, very creative, and come up with really interesting and engaging flavors. These are not faceless corporations on whom you can blame all the ills of the world, they are real people. Sure, they try to make money - everyone has to live. But lots of them love what they do, are good to their customers, and do a damn good job. And some few are true artists. Sure, there are those who may not be all that great - just because I haven't met them doesn't mean they aren't there. But don't pile everyone into the same heap.

Aging (steeping) is usually needed for complex flavors the more flavors the more aging is needed for MOST people's tastes/palates, many tobaccos fall into this scope. When you find one you love to vape you order ahead of time to accomplish this, no harm no foul. As mentioned what age I like X joose someone else may like right out of the box or aged much longer, it would be impossible to "age it perfectly for all", selling fresh is the ONLY option, if you like it fresh that's great if not YOU can age it to suit YOUR taste, no one else can know YOUR taste profiles.

They get it^^^^^^^ I'm out, Peace!!

 

[FRANKSTER]

Firstly, there are juices that you don't need to steep. Lots of them, actually. They are perfectly fine right out of the bottle.

Secondly, sure, you can be cynical about it. But if you choose not to be, you can consider this: different people like different levels of "aging". So making it fresh accommodates everyone. Also, for lots of people "made to order just for you" is a selling point, not a detriment. And another consideration is that for some more popular vendors the demand is exceeding their production speed sometimes. Stuff doesn't sit on the shelves.

And, I gotta say this, in general response to this thread, 'cause it's bugging me: this piling on the vendors is not appropriate or fair imho. Every single vendor I've dealt with in three years has been nothing but nice and attentive. Some of them do this as a hobby, they are not a huge operation, and they bend over backwards to accomodate special requests, etc. Some of them are very, very creative, and come up with really interesting and engaging flavors. These are not faceless corporations on whom you can blame all the ills of the world, they are real people. Sure, they try to make money - everyone has to live. But lots of them love what they do, are good to their customers, and do a damn good job. And some few are true artists. Sure, there are those who may not be all that great - just because I haven't met them doesn't mean they aren't there. But don't pile everyone into the same heap.

Please buddy give me a break, I have come down heavily on 2 vendors and rightfully so regardless of what you have to say. Vaperite sold me juices that were like water and the filler in the carto did not retain the juice...I lost money on the juice, the shipping and the cartos.

I gave their juice the benefit of the doubt and they completely failed to deliver...I do not care if it is their hobby or they are the sweetest people in the world...they stole my money.

Nitelite sold me a defective juice that made me cough my brains out for a week...am I supposed to give them a pass...the juice is definitively not the bounty hunter I previously purchased a few weeks back. If I had the money to get this juice tested I would because their is something wrong with the batch I got.

I have not coughed once since I stopped vaping this poison, and that is right poison. I could be in the hospital dying and all you fan boys and fan girls do is defend the vendors. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Jim Bob]

He (and myself) were answering "zenman"

 

[FRANKSTER]

He (and myself) were answering "zenman"

He mentioned this thread in particular...I started this thread, therefore, I feel it also pertains to me.

 

[Briar]

Please buddy give me a break,...

Where?

OK, OK, I am only kidding. I am a woman, btw.

Frankster, for a person (a man, I assume) who is proud of being bluntly critical and is not afraid of being offensive, you seem to be very sensitive. You've managed to get offended twice now by what I said: the first time it was a relatively mild, if somewhat ironic, joke - but, I mean, c'mon, "buddy" - *you* are the one who uses "lmao" all the time, how can you blame someone for making fun of it?

And this time you are calling me names (fangirl? what the heck is that?) and crying shame for a simple criticism - not even of you personally, but of the apparent general mood of the thread.

Speaking of which, if you really think that a particular juice physically damaged you, you should follow it up. It might be an allergy of some sort, or it might be quality control issue with the juice - but either way it's not something to take lightly.

Neither of those things were meant as an offense, btw.

I'm really not fond of this kind of exchanges, so I will say one more thing and likely take my opinion elsewhere. I thought that the idea of focusing on critical reviews of the liquids was interesting. Most folks who review juices like to focus on the positive, myself included. I simply don't like berating people's hard work, it's as simple as that, even if I don't know them personally -which I don't, btw. I respect how hard they work, and how difficult it is to please in such a field.

But, at the same time, honest criticism is useful to everyone, and I thought that your perhaps over-critical attitude was both occasionally amusing as well as useful - at first. But calling a liquid many people love "vomit", for example, and indulging in other similar verbiage, is neither useful, nor funny. It's kinda disgusting, actually, and offensive - not to the juice, but to people who like it. Is that the effect you were going for?

Anyway. You might consider toning it down a little - more folks might actually pay attention.

 

[440BB]

This thread is making me feel lucky that I have one liquid that I can count on, bottle after bottle: Halo Menthol Ice. It tastes great fresh out of the mail and I have some that is eight months old and it looks and tastes the same, while flowing through cartos perfectly with virtually no residue. I've had a number of great other flavors that I'll use, but I can count on my primary liquid being just what I expect every time I vape it. The ones I don't like are meant to be traded or PIF and I find sampling fun. Different combinations of equipment also help - some liquid I can't drip tastes just right in a carto tank.

Like all the other posts, it's just my opinion. YMMV

 

[Mr.Mann]

Where?

OK, OK, I am only kidding. I am a woman, btw.

Frankster, for a person (a man, I assume) who is proud of being bluntly critical and is not afraid of being offensive, you seem to be very sensitive. You've managed to get offended twice now by what I said: the first time it was a relatively mild, if somewhat ironic, joke - but, I mean, c'mon, "buddy" - *you* are the one who uses "lmao" all the time, how can you blame someone for making fun of it?

And this time you are calling me names (fangirl? what the heck is that?) and crying shame for a simple criticism - not even of you personally, but of the apparent general mood of the thread.

Speaking of which, if you really think that a particular juice physically damaged you, you should follow it up. It might be an allergy of some sort, or it might be quality control issue with the juice - but either way it's not something to take lightly.

Neither of those things were meant as an offense, btw.

I'm really not fond of this kind of exchanges, so I will say one more thing and likely take my opinion elsewhere. I thought that the idea of focusing on critical reviews of the liquids was interesting. Most folks who review juices like to focus on the positive, myself included. I simply don't like berating people's hard work, it's as simple as that, even if I don't know them personally -which I don't, btw. I respect how hard they work, and how difficult it is to please in such a field.

But, at the same time, honest criticism is useful to everyone, and I thought that your perhaps over-critical attitude was both occasionally amusing as well as useful - at first. But calling a liquid many people love "vomit", for example, and indulging in other similar verbiage, is neither useful, nor funny. It's kinda disgusting, actually, and offensive - not to the juice, but to people who like it. Is that the effect you were going for?

Anyway. You might consider toning it down a little - more folks might actually pay attention.

This is a really thoughtful and seemingly heartfelt post.

 

[Mookie]

Nitelite sold me a defective juice that made me cough my brains out for a week...am I supposed to give them a pass...the juice is definitively not the bounty hunter I previously purchased a few weeks back. If I had the money to get this juice tested I would because their is something wrong with the batch I got.

I have not coughed once since I stopped vaping this poison, and that is right poison. I could be in the hospital dying and all you fan boys and fan girls do is defend the vendors. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

8-o Now you have really gone and done it Frankster. You insulted NLV and his #1 fanboy's fangs may be even sharper than yours.

I've seen NLV's fanboys/girls verbally butcher someone for making a very similar statement.

That thread got so nasty administration closed it. And that is the main reason a very good vendor lost my business.