Just curious... Why "e-cigarette" in the title?

[stols001]

Yep, we could name them "tobacco is Satan," and pols would STILL follow the money trail. It's just the way it is/was always going to be (IMO) and I remember that first "How to explain what your e-cig is so you can vape on a plane and wherever," as a very bad, bad idea. It wasn't that I disagreed with it in principle.... I was more like, "These are going to get big. We should be quiet about them for as long as possible."

With that said, hiding them would only have delayed the inevitable as well as stopping them becoming more widely used/known by ex-smokers, so it's frankly just the worst double bind on offer.

E-cigarettes/vapes/panda's greatest success have become the reason we are under attack. It was inevitable, regardless of whatever method/name was used.

Heck, we could have named them "Hillary and Bill Clinton," and they would have been under attack.

I wonder if (smoker) Obama ever tried one, prior to demonization by the (under his leadership) FDA? I'm guessing not, if he was willing to self identify as a "you know what" smoker.

Anna

 

[jcoopercam]

Not 1 person, politician or otherwise ever said "We need to ban/tax/regulate them because they are called e-cigarettes". Instead they make up crap about them being a gateway to smoking, harmful to children, and other such nonsense. This would have been just as true if they had been called anything else. It's all about the money, not the name.

I suppose you're right. The U.S.A. is no longer a representative democratic republic. It is now an oligarchical empire in decline. The so-called "representatives" who occupy Washington D.C. are interested only one thing... Stuffing their personal portfolio with as much of America's wealth as they can, and they will use any vernacular suitable to the task.

For the sake of accuracy... "e-cigarette" is an oxymoron. I will never refer to it as such, but if that's what you prefer, rock it!

 

[listopencil]

The electric toothbrush been out for 50's years or so, and I don't recall anyone ever referring to them as "e-toothbrush". On the other hand, if one were to make such a distinction, it would be analogous. A mod, atomizer, PG/VG are not analogous to tobacco burning, or the associated accoutrements. This being a matter of fact, they should not be associated in any vernacular. If someone were to invent a device that uses an electrified screen to burn tobacco, such as device would be analogous to cigarette (pipe and cigar) smoking.

I quit smoking cigarettes in 2008 using what I referred to as a PNV (personal nicotine vaporizer). I referred to it as such on this forum back in 2009. I believe is was this forum? Thinking... I want to go even deeper into this, but Washington DC politicians and their corporate handlers have enough ammo with the inaccurate term "e-cigarette". Best we just agree to disagree, and leave it there.

Well, the 'e' was popularized as a shortcut for 'electronic' in e-mail and the electric toothbrush came before that, and I think 'electric' was sort of a buzzword itself for marketing purposes for quite a while. I do recall seeing 'personal vaporizer' being used to describe vapes on seller's websites though. I do remember the acronyms.

I don't mind 'vape' and 'vaping'. After all, the term has been in use since at least 1980.

 

[jcoopercam]

Well, the 'e' was popularized as a shortcut for 'electronic' in e-mail and the electric toothbrush came before that, and I think 'electric' was sort of a buzzword itself for marketing purposes for quite a while. I do recall seeing 'personal vaporizer' being used to describe vapes on seller's websites though. I do remember the acronyms.

I don't mind 'vape' and 'vaping'. After all, the term has been in use since at least 1980.

I don't mind the term vaping either. It is sort-of corny sounding, but then I enjoy watching reruns of Petticoat Junction and The Beverly Hillbillies.

 

[listopencil]

I don't mind the term vaping either. It is sort-of corny sounding, but then I enjoy watching reruns of Petticoat Junction and The Beverly Hillbillies.

You just know that the water in that tower (Petticoat Junction) was mighty fine.

 

[jcoopercam]

You just know that the water in that tower (Petticoat Junction) was mighty fine.

Hotties all, but Bobbie-Jo... Oh yeah!

 

[Baditude]

For the sake of accuracy... "e-cigarette" is an oxymoron. I will never refer to it as such, but if that's what you prefer, rock it!

Has anyone ever seen you vaping and asked, "What is that?"

If you say its a vaporizer, they'll look at you crazy.

If you then say its an e-cigarette, they'll nod yes because that is the term the public knows.

It is what it is.

When I told my physician that I had quit smoking using an ecig, he wrote in my chart, "****** has quit smoking by using a water pipe." Go figure.

 

[listopencil]

Has anyone ever seen you vaping and asked, "What is that?"

If you say its a vaporizer, they'll look at you crazy.

If you had said its an e-cig, they'll nod yes because that is the term the public knows.

It is what it is.

When I told my physician that I had quit smoking using an ecig, he wrote in my chart, "****** has quit smoking by using a water pipe." Go figure.

Maybe it's a regional thing? Slang terms can be like that. Out here (in Northern California) we call them vapes or vaporizers regularly. My doctor wrote "vape" on my paperwork.

 

[stols001]

When I told my physician that I had quit smoking using an ecig, he wrote in my chart, "****** has quit smoking by using a water pipe." Go figure.

This is almost my favorite quote (said by a doctor) ever. LOL. My very FAVORITE quote by my own medical practitioner tops it... .but not by much.... and it took me a few years to find it amusing... But this one is going on my "ironic medical ineptitude" list.

Anna

 

[Baditude]

Maybe it's a regional thing? Slang terms can be like that. Out here (in Northern California) we call them vapes or vaporizers regularly. My doctor wrote "vape" on my paperwork.

Well, I'm in Ohio in the midwest. I believe Mark Twain once said if the end of the world was coming he'd go to Ohio because Ohio is 5 years behind everywhere else.

 

[listopencil]

I had a long series of discussions with my doctor. I showed him my devices and how they evolved over time. He once joked that he expected me to walk in one day with a giant thing about the size of a tuba wrapped around me. But he was very excited about vapes as a way of delivering drugs, prescription and OTC.

 

[listopencil]

Well, I'm in Ohio in the midwest. I believe Mark Twain once said if the end of the world was coming he'd go to Ohio because Ohio is 5 years behind everywhere else.

Are you still using flip phones out there? I visited my brother in Colorado a few years ago and he had a cell phone that looked like it got lost in 1997.

 

[Baditude]

Are you still using flip phones out there? I visited my brother in Colorado a few years ago and he had a cell phone that looked like it got lost in 1997.

You got something against flip phones?

Yeah, I have a flip phone. I have no use for a $600 cell phone. That money could go towards new vape gear.

 

[stols001]

I miss my first flip phone. Gotta say my tragic and wildly shaking fingers turn me off touchscreens, although the way things are going, I am pretty certain that my phone is going to one day translate my thoughts to whatever I'm doing with it, requiring no intervention whatsoever.

Ask me if I'm looking forward to editing my thoughts.

Anna

 

[ScottP]

I suppose you're right. The U.S.A. is no longer a representative democratic republic. It is now an oligarchical empire in decline. The so-called "representatives" who occupy Washington D.C. are interested only one thing... Stuffing their personal portfolio with as much of America's wealth as they can, and they will use any vernacular suitable to the task.

Now you're getting it.

For the sake of accuracy... "e-cigarette" is an oxymoron. I will never refer to it as such, but if that's what you prefer, rock it!

It's not that it is what I prefer to call it. It's that it is the word, that when used, everyone universally knows what you are talking about. You would have about as much luck changing it now as you would trying to stop a hurricane by standing in front of it holding up a stop sign.

 

[ScottP]

My very FAVORITE quote by my own medical practitioner tops it... .but not by much....

She says, leaving everyone in suspense.

 

[stols001]

When the husband was undergoing something of a mental breakdown um, well, things weren't going so well. I found some rather alarming things and was in a HIGH dudgeon.... nothing actually real or anything, but some things that *I* as the primary breadwinner at the time (and LOYAL spouse) found rather upsetting and well, my psychiatrist got to hear all about it....

He got this earnest "therapy" face on (he considers himself like a therapist and does it on patients who don't know better) and it went like this.

"Well, sometimes men treat their mistresses better than their wives--"
"Shut up. I'm not even kidding. I don't want to go there with you."
"I just mean... maybe you could buy a black wig and--"
"SHUT UP! I told you no therapeutic suggestions and this is WHY!!!"
Uncomfortable face coupled with the inability to stop, "I just mean.... maybe he could call you Sally in bed or something!"
"Hysterical ranting followed by tears."

I went out to the receptionist (who is by far my fave person in that office and told her what went down). Her response: "It sounds like Dr. X AND your husband are both being total F%^^heads."

LOL, I wish she were my therapist or even my grandmommy. Everything turned out fine, although the husband's face still blanches when I tell him to call me "Sally." I mean, you have to use the weapons life provides you with.

I really don't think that rewarding adulterous thoughts is best solved by trying to turn myself into a Black Haired Sally. When my psychiatrist pisses me off enough though, I just also ask him to call me "Sally". HE FREAKS.

At the time it really sucked, but I have later found humor in it. LOL.

Ann

 

[papergoblin]

When the husband was undergoing something of a mental breakdown um, well, things weren't going so well. I found some rather alarming things and was in a HIGH dudgeon.... nothing actually real or anything, but some things that *I* as the primary breadwinner at the time (and LOYAL spouse) found rather upsetting and well, my psychiatrist got to hear all about it....

He got this earnest "therapy" face on (he considers himself like a therapist and does it on patients who don't know better) and it went like this.

"Well, sometimes men treat their mistresses better than their wives--"
"Shut up. I'm not even kidding. I don't want to go there with you."
"I just mean... maybe you could buy a black wig and--"
"SHUT UP! I told you no therapeutic suggestions and this is WHY!!!"
Uncomfortable face coupled with the inability to stop, "I just mean.... maybe he could call you Sally in bed or something!"
"Hysterical ranting followed by tears."

I went out to the receptionist (who is by far my fave person in that office and told her what went down). Her response: "It sounds like Dr. X AND your husband are both being total F%^^heads."

LOL, I wish she were my therapist or even my grandmommy. Everything turned out fine, although the husband's face still blanches when I tell him to call me "Sally." I mean, you have to use the weapons life provides you with.

I really don't think that rewarding adulterous thoughts is best solved by trying to turn myself into a Black Haired Sally. When my psychiatrist pisses me off enough though, I just also ask him to call me "Sally". HE FREAKS.

At the time it really sucked, but I have later found humor in it. LOL.

Ann

If you do go full Sally, make sure you get a shirt with a Mustang on it first

 

[ScottP]

That is an awesome story, Sally.

Seriously I can see why it took some time to see the humor in it, but it is pretty funny.

 

[stols001]

Hehe. I will answer to many things (including cusswords, and my nickname as a youth was "the sloth") but Sally isn't one of them.

I am the owner and the keeper of that name, and believe me when I say that the husband or my doc EVER use it. LOLOLOL.....

Yeah, it's sort of one of those great stories you are never sure if you want to mention. . Never in a million years did I think I would be instructed by a psychiatrist to change my identity for sex, but you know, it's Tucson. He's actually a fairly decent doc, he just has no business performing "therapy." Fortunately, when he wants to "go there" I just don't answer and when he's like, "Eh, Anna, are you listening?"
I just straight-facedly say, "Are you talking to me or Sally right now?"

Anna