Just want to understand the high wattage users

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vexxis

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I keep hearing about higher and higher wattages and I don't understand the attraction; so if you just built your own custom 300 watt mod please don't take offence to my question, I just want to know why you did it?

I saw a video of PBasardo evaluating a 100 watt box mod and while it did make lots of vapor he didn't seem to get it either as he couldn't taste anything at that wattage. Isn't anything beyond 20 watts just cloud chasing? Or maybe I am missing something? Inquiring minds want to know.
 

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I keep hearing about higher and higher wattages and I don't understand the attraction; so if you just built your own custom 300 watt mod please don't take offence to my question, I just want to know why you did it?

I saw a video of PBasardo evaluating a 100 watt box mod and while it did make lots of vapor he didn't seem to get it either as he couldn't taste anything at that wattage. Isn't anything beyond 20 watts just cloud chasing? Or maybe I am missing something? Inquiring minds want to know.

For better or worse, there are always people wanting to push the boundaries. A few years ago people didn't know why anyone would want a Gig of RAM in their computer.

Some will buy a 600 HP sports car and gain a great deal of knowledge, performance, and perhaps ingenuity from it, while others want it only as a testosterone symbol and until there is one with 700 HP.

PBusardo isn't the last word in vaping knowledge, but IMHO he pretty much nailed it with that review.
 

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It's all about how you use it... That's what my dad told me once... :D

Ok, seriously though... Here's where the confusion seems to come in... There seems to be this concept or idea from those who use and/or like or are satisfied with lower wattages that anything higher than they use is just excessive... I think I remember seeing that vid you mentioned that Phil did... But the truth is, he did it all wrong... No really... he did... Notice the first thing he said was about how hot it was? Well, if it's that hot then you're doing it wrong...

Let me state it another way real quick before I get on to the explanation... If I cook hot dogs on my stove and use the "#3" setting... And it works just fine for me.... Does that mean that I should question why anyone would want a stove that goes all the way to 10? :) Sure cooking your hot dogs on 10 might burn them... but try boiling a pot of water with it on 3 and see how long it takes... :)

So anyway... Here's the thing... If I take a crappy clearomizer and run say 6 watts... It'll give me a decent vape... Very little vapor, but decent none the less... Crank that same clearo up to 15 watts and i'm going to get the dry hit from hell... It's gonna be hot, it's gonna be burnt and it's gonna be terrible....

On the other hand, put a really good build in a kayfun and all of a sudden 15 watts is just providing a decently cool vape... Lots more vapor than the clearo, but still cool and good...

Throw a plume veil on there at 15 watts and potentially it won't even heat up the coils... (depending on build)... Let alone vape...

So here's what you have to understand... It's about air flow and surface area...

Think about this for a second... If you enjoy a vape from a clearo set at 7 watts.... What if you instead took two egos with clearos both running at 7 watts and toked on them at the same time? You've now got double the air flow and double the vapor... you're running 7 watts... but the taste is exactly the same, it's not any warmer than the single one... it's just more vapor and more flavor....

Get it? Run 14 watts on a single clearo and you've got the SAME surface area and SAME air flow... it's going to be nasty.... but double the surface area and double the air flow and you've just got more vapor but the same kind of vape...

To me, that's the idea behind these high power mods... When I build for my 75W mod I build VERY large coils that have TONS of surface area... On top up that I use an RDA that has a TON of airflow.... The end result is a TON of vapor that's LOADED with flavor... Yet it's barely warmer than what you'd experience from that 7w clearo.... And yes, I am in the process now of looking for a 150W mod... Because sometimes the 75W just isn't enough... But I can assure you that at 100+ watts I can get just as cool a vape as you can from a clearo... Though I do like it a LITTLE warmer... But I can also assure you it has a TON more flavor...

Is it cloud chasing? Absolutely not... Why? Because to me the focus of cloud chasing is exactly that... clouds... I like a lot of vapor, don't get me wrong... but I can't stand a .1x or .2 build on a mech at 4.2v... It DOES kill a lot of the flavor no matter how much airflow you have... To me that's cloud chasing... Sacrificing the taste and flavor for clouds... But it doesn't have to be like that when you've got the higher voltage to go along with it and can use that higher power to drive much larger surface areas.

Does that help?
 

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the 3 mechs I am vaping right now are attached to .21 builds. This is 84 watts at 4.2 volts. Is it hot? no. Is it dry and burnt? no. It is massive vapor packed with delectable flavor that makes my mouth water. Its so good that I have been kind of chain vaping with three mods and three RDAs next to me, all with different delicious flavors. It is great because it is deliberately coiled and wicked to be fantastic flavor and vapor at that power level.

I am a lung hitter. I like the airflow. I won't touch anything with a tight restrictive draw. I want massive vapor and flavor. 20 watts would barely even heat up my coils.
 

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Yes, there are always people wanting to push the boundaries. So we have cloud chasing competitions, eating competitions...

I'm the same as DaveSignal. I vape at around 0.2 ohms at 4.2 volts. Do I feel I'm pushing the boundaries? No. Absolutely not. I'm choosing to vape at a certain point of the vape technology curve. I just enjoy vaping at this level. The taste for me is great and I enjoy the plumes. If people want to look at me as though I'm weird or over-the-top then I'm cool with it. I'm too busy enjoying my vape to care.
 

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I'm sitting at a red light one day, in my grey truck. Some guy pulls up next to me in a green truck. I roll my window down and ask him why he got a green truck. He just looked at me funny.
This is perfect.

Personally, I vape at over 100W on mechanical devices every single day. My favorite builds I have going right now are .12 and .15 ohms and both of those builds are over a month old and I've only re-wicked them once each(rayon!). Does it get Hot? Nope, How about Dry? Nope, Do I go through a metric crapload of juice? Yes.

Unless you've actually experienced a truly well set up high wattage device with proper airflow/wicking/juice selection you're never going to "get it" - Personally I liken it to driving a sports car very very fast(175+ mph), those who have not done it will likely never "get it" and those who have done it can never fully convey how awesome it is to someone who has not done it or is not into it.
 

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Yes, there are always people wanting to push the boundaries. So we have cloud chasing competitions, eating competitions...

I vape .45 ohm dual coils. On a fully charged battery, it works out to 39.2 watts; and 9.33 amps. If I were using a battery rated at 10 amps continuous discharge, it could be considered pushing boundaries. But I use at least 20 amp cdr batteries. 9.33 amps is only about 47% of rated capacity. That's not pushing anything.
 

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I'm the same as DaveSignal. I vape at around 0.2 ohms at 4.2 volts. Do I feel I'm pushing the boundaries? No. Absolutely not. I'm choosing to vape at a certain point of the vape technology curve. I just enjoy vaping at this level. The taste for me is great and I enjoy the plumes. If people want to look at me as though I'm weird or over-the-top then I'm cool with it. I'm too busy enjoying my vape to care.

I fall right into this Vaping range as well. The thing to remember is that the wattage isn't as extreme on a mech as it sounds. I guarantee the .2 ohm build isn't getting 4.2 volts between battery sag (internal resistance) and the mod resistance.
 

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Exactly. You have to have the right build for the power being supplied.

A backwards example: I've been short a mod for the past couple of weeks and had to use my mvp for my kayfun. 11W isn't much power. So I built the kayfun with 29 gauge wire and less wraps. It heated it well and quickly and I got a great vape. Got my mod back today and anything over 11W on that kayfun was burning my juice, lol! Guess it was a perfect 11W build :)

On the other hand I'm running the build on my Doge at 50W. That seems to be the perfect power for the build I put on it.
 

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I don't need more than 50 Watts...certain atomizers are geared towards the super high power mods.

The IPV2 I got on preorder has been an ordeal, but luckily my vendor is replacing it. I still use it everyday, but I'd prefer something easier to carry and swap batteries with..box mods are easy to make if you can solder...so...

That is my personal preference...the higher wattage box mods available have larger battery capacities.

Look into the DNA 40 temperature controlled chip...that is sick..
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I like the variable in the wattage for different setups I have. I like my builds at .15-.30 on RDA. But I even got my Kayfun at .3. With the mech I couldn't push that Kayfun to where I like it. I'm pushing 30W on a Kayfun and 65-70W on drippers. I like quick hits that produce vapor. Also the Kayfun is modified with bigger air holes, juice wells etc.



Try it you might like it :) :vapor:
 
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