Well If I guessed from your Avatar I'd say 19? My Avatar pic is a week old and I'm still 42Nevermind,
I was just guessing from your avatar.
JUUL to stop selling flavors in stores
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Dude, you're headed for real trouble...her avatar looks like a 10 year old! You'd better start carding your dates, if you want to stay out of prison!Well If I guessed from your Avatar I'd say 19? My Avatar pic is a week old and I'm still 42
I imagine that the fda knows these kids can add their own flavoring and many vape for the buzz from that hi nic. So, what's really up here? Where does the money trail lead?
Sales usually go down when companies stop selling stuff.
What happens in the long term will be of greater importance.
Of course the FDA knows this. So perhaps a Better Question is... "Who doesn't know this?". That gives you the Answer to the question as to Who the FDA is doing this for.
It's just a Feint.
I push my Pawn up hoping you'll move your Horse. Not that I think my Pawn can defeat your Horse. But it gives my Bishop room to come out.
Now with the refillable pods available I would expect Juul sales to simply level out along with the rest of pod sales.
Juul makes an extremely popular vape product. There's a lot of reasons why its so popular for adults. Probably for the same reasons why its allegedly so popular with teens.
Juul has come under public scrutiny for the same reason that Face Book has. Both were so narrow minded to be primarily interested in numbers (greed) to the point that they weren't cognizant of the overall effect they were having on society at large. Both were too slow to make changes, and now they are both paying the price via government intervention.
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I don't see what the fuss is all about. Tobacco use has been declining for decades. Vaping peaked in 2016 or 2017. I would never make a long term investment in the vaping industry because the potential market is shrinking every day.
JUUL, by dominating the pod vaping market, became the 21st century equivalent of whoever cornered the buggy-whip market circa 1900. Or the VHS market circa 1990. Or the CD market the day Napster went live.
I saw a bunch of millennials and college students JUULing away during a break at a conference I was part of last month. They were outside beyond the 25-foot distance smokers use. I pulled out my Aegis 100 & Battlestar RTA out and they all looked at me like I had a hand grenade. Most of'em had never even seen a "mod."
We're mostly hobbyists, tinkerers, enthusiasts and mad scientists. FDA doesn't care about us and neither do the big pod makers. It doesn't matter that we're the group that probably has the highest successful smoking cessation rate. What matters is what we'll spend on their stuff. And they're good enough at selling stuff to know that we ain't where the money is.
@smacuser ... Gottlieb is like anyone else with a pension plan, 401(k) or other investment account that holds index stocks. I'm invested in tobacco, big oil, big pharma, big banking, big tech, big retail... ad infinitum Wall Streetus. You might be, too. We all probably are.
JUUL, by dominating the pod vaping market, became the 21st century equivalent of whoever cornered the buggy-whip market circa 1900. Or the VHS market circa 1990. Or the CD market the day Napster went live.
I saw a bunch of millennials and college students JUULing away during a break at a conference I was part of last month. They were outside beyond the 25-foot distance smokers use. I pulled out my Aegis 100 & Battlestar RTA out and they all looked at me like I had a hand grenade. Most of'em had never even seen a "mod."
We're mostly hobbyists, tinkerers, enthusiasts and mad scientists. FDA doesn't care about us and neither do the big pod makers. It doesn't matter that we're the group that probably has the highest successful smoking cessation rate. What matters is what we'll spend on their stuff. And they're good enough at selling stuff to know that we ain't where the money is.
@smacuser ... Gottlieb is like anyone else with a pension plan, 401(k) or other investment account that holds index stocks. I'm invested in tobacco, big oil, big pharma, big banking, big tech, big retail... ad infinitum Wall Streetus. You might be, too. We all probably are.
Yep. Most of us are pretty cost-conscious. Many of us have learned how to make our own juice and can make a month's worth for what one or two of Juul's silly pods cost. Juul (and their wannabe competitors) know that we'll never steady customers of theirs, and the FDA knows it would be nearly impossible to stop us from doing what we do. In addition, I'd guess the FDA also figures that the "children" don't want to be bothered doing what we do.
I don't agree with most of what you said. I successful quit smoking with pod devices and I am member of this forum. And the FDA is not just going after pods. Most (all?) of the companies shown in this FDA document are selling low mg/ml liquid for sub ohm vapers.
You're right, to a degree. They're not going after us "hobbyists" today. Today it's pods, kid sounding flavors, etc. But like the fight against smoking, it's the easily defensible "slow gazelle" today. When the outcry over that one is done, they take the next little step. Just like it was with smoking over the last 30+ years, since the 80's. One little step at a time. Each little one is easy to rationalize, but it can't be done in one fell swoop.
Hi Cowboy, good to see you back. I read on Bloomberg.com, he was a director of Kure Corp;
"President Donald Trump’s pick to head the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, Scott Gottlieb, will be in charge of implementing new rules governing the e-cigarette industry after serving for more than a year on the board of a company that sells vaping products.
From March 2015 to May 2016, Gottlieb was a director of Kure Corp., a Charlotte, North Carolina-based firm that distributes e-juices and vaping pens in coffeehouse-style lounges known as vaporiums. He had a financial interest in the company as of March, according to financial and ethics disclosures, and promised to sell his stake if confirmed."
Not that this supports any conspiracy theory I might have been formulating
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