The more comments about the mini and pre-made coils make me wonder if there is something about the mini that is different than the nano....where the coil screws into the base... not having a mini I can't comment....
Kanger subtank TSCs
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The more comments about the mini and pre-made coils make me wonder if there is something about the mini that is different than the nano....where the coil screws into the base... not having a mini I can't comment....
I'm betting these coils will work much better with "atty lock".
Edit, too bad I can't just update my firmware..
Edit, too bad I can't just update my firmware..
Saying that shows a misunderstanding of what the temperature reading is. "What 400 degrees is like" can be completely different from build to build and atty to atty. Thinking that one knows what a temperature reading is supposed to vape like based on a different setup is one of the primary mental errors people commit that results in confusion and an inability to maintain a consistent quality of vape across setups.
Well for one thing, he provided no proof. He had the means to test and did not.
they do not require constant fiddling. no more than any other prebuilt coil. yes there are some that aren't built as well as others -- that applies to ALL prebuilt heads. that is not specific to these or the DNA40, so that is not a valid issue.
If the coils are shorting out the atty lock won't help....gonna be fun to see how this atty lock shakes out.... refinement is not a bother for me but if there is a benefit to the atty lock then I'll use it...
What does "hitting temp control" mean? Does the temperature control interrupt your vaping?
When I asked why you don't believe busardo, maybe I should have instead asked why aren't you open to the possibility that he is right. Unless you know something that I don't, I don't understand the total dismissal of these problems that have been raised by many people. Are you a physician by any chance, dr g?
I absolutely disagree that these coils don't require more fiddling than other prebuilts. That said, all the other prebuilts I've used have been kanthal. So for me, this has everything to do with temperature control and the DNA40.
It appears Evolv has even recognized there is a practical problem with refinement. Atty Lock now stops the process altogether.
Experience and understanding. Note that I don't dismiss what other people experience, I dismiss the idea that they are problems. Thinking of them as problems creates mental blocks for people that often stop them from achieving what they want to achieve. All busardo had to do was raise the temperature but instead he made this huge issue out of it and in the end he didn't have an enjoyable vape when he easily could have.
I have used all existing nickel prebuilts in addition. Of course with TC you need to manage the TC which is an additional step compared to kanthal. But that is not a valid point since that's normal for TC.
A major consideration with the subtank coils in particular is that you prime them with direct dripping. That creates an entirely different situation at initial install than the coil is likely to ever see again.
This is speculative at best. I mean yeah, they certainly are doing it to shut certain people up. But whether they viewed it as a problem is speculative.
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Right on, I wish there is an ignore button to ignore this poster's comments.
Care for a hypothetical: Build a coil in your favorite topper.... wick it and juice it.... check it with an ohm checker....comes in at 0.15 ohms.... fire it in non-temp mode to check for hot legs... all ok.... change to temp mode.....ohm's reading is now different than 0.15 ohm because coil has heated up.... select new coil.. atty temperature different than device and you set atty lock while temperatures of device and topper are not equal...and ohm's reading is for the hot topper...
Results??? Interested in what you think since refinement is off....
Results??? Interested in what you think since refinement is off....
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Agreed. This could very well introduce yet more problems. Or better said, just cover up the old ones.
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What retird posted is not a problem in any way. People really need to stop branding everything that is the littlest bit different from unregulated temperature vaping as a "problem" ... that is absolutely normal and correct behavior. The device would not be working correctly if it didn't read the coil at the hotter temperature.
This is also exactly what refinement is for. it corrects incorrect readings. disabling it locks in incorrect readings, that IS a real problem.
Why so contrary, Doc?
I don't understand. First, you say I shouldn't use the word problem to describe the situation retird posted with Atty Lock on. Then you go on to call the same situation a problem.
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if all else fails blame the users... and blame the users... and blame the users... they cant suggest to a bad build or loose screw with the prebuilt coils... so... blame the users...
So whats the deal to get the atty lock feature? Do I have to buy a new board or send it off for a few weeks listing the problems i have with it randomly putting a nickle build in to wattage mode?
So whats the deal to get the atty lock feature? Do I have to buy a new board or send it off for a few weeks listing the problems i have with it randomly putting a nickle build in to wattage mode?
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Refinement is not a problem... this new feature is not, as far as I know a bug fix....but is a new feature....an added feature....is it only a software upgrade or is it a combination software/hardware upgrade?
We will know more as info becomes available....
To clarify, you wrote: "Agreed. This could very well introduce yet more problems. Or better said, just cover up the old ones."
The situation retird described, other than the atty lock which is a new function, is normal, correct behavior. So your "cover up old ones" snipe is off the mark.
You are correct that atty lock introduces a problem. Where none currently exists, which makes it a really unfortunate decision.
I've been using Kanger Subtank Ni200 heads for about three weeks with no issues at all. However, I finally worked up enough motivation to futz with the rebuildable deck and got an unhappy surprise. The pin part on the rebuildable deck that connects with the 510 pin in the base of the Subtank is way shorter (2.5mm) than the comparable part of the Ni200 heads.
When I screw the rebuildable deck onto the base of the Subtank and open the airflow all the way to provide visibility inside the base of the tank I can see a pretty good-sized gap between the deck pin and 510 connection of the base. Unfortunately, it's too dark to photograph to show the gap.
It is possible to unscrew the pin on the deck a bit to lengthen amount the pin protrudes but it makes the connection to the deck way, way too wobbly to be usable. Vapor Beast was already very aware of the issue when I called so this would not appear to be a one-off oopsie on Kanger's part.
While what I have experienced is a rebuildable deck issue it has made me wonder if it is possible that some of the pins on some of the prebuilt Kanger Subtank Ni200 heads aren't long enough to be making rock solid 510 connections? That would explain the flaky behavior some people have been seeing.
Let me clarify too. The old problems that I've experienced are connectivity issues. Could be an intermittent short from contacting coils, resistance variations arising from unstable contact points due weak springs, screws not tightened enough, or tightened too much ( cutting the nickel ).....Lots of things can go wrong that wouldn't matter too much on a kanthal build. These are the problems that would be covered up by Atty Lock. Do you disagree?
I know, I know... you'll say that these are not problems but rather user error. And you'd be right in many cases. But when it comes to a pre-built coil that is supposed to be plug and play, this is a problem. I've never said it's a problem with the DNA40 chip or refinement. It's a problem that refinement exposes.
So this thread is supposed to be about the kanger TSC s. In my experience, they are not reliable. Definitely not worth $18.50. Your experience may differ. Maybe I just got a bad batch. But it seems a lot of people got bad batches then.
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That is spot on. I've said exactly this before. When I buy a mod like a vaporshark and prebuilt nickel coils, it should work flawlessly. Fact is, it does not. Who's fault is it? The user? the manufacturer of the coils? Vaporshark? Evolve? Answer....Yes. When you put a device out that requires a perfect coil to operate correctly, then all the pieces have to be perfect and none of them are and never will be. It's just a shame that these things are sold and advertised as a mass consumer device. They aren't at all. If I have to troubleshoot a device that I bought off a shelf or send it back for numerous issues on several different occasions, Then it wasn't ready for release.
Don't get me wrong, I fully understand that temperature sensing is new uncharted territory and will come with bugs, but to mass produce and sell these things means you should have most of the problems out of the product. And frankly, they don't. Waaay too many of these things are being sent back. It's not normal for so many issues to be inherent in one product. Kudos to them for being the first with temp control though...now if they can get it streamlined so the other factors don't change how it behaves. Factors the average consumer shouldn't have to be worried about.
You are absolutely correct squag, these coils are very unreliable. Even the kanthal stock coils are unreliable. But at $18.50 for a set of 5? They should be flawless.
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