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kanthal A vs stainless steal wire

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  1. ZoLq

    ZoLq Moved On

    Dec 2, 2017
    Hey there. My RDA coils just burned up recently and i need wire to replace them. i have to options stainless steal or kanthal A. i will be building them my self. that are cons and pros of them? i know ss can use tc but i don't get the use of this function. thx
     
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  2. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    SS has a Very Fast Ramp-Up/Ramp-Down time. And (to me) an Cleaner Taste than Kanthal(s).

    Two Big Pro's for Me.
     
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  3. ZoLq

    ZoLq Moved On

    Dec 2, 2017
    and with what it's easier to work with? kanthal or ss?
     
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  4. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
    San Francisco
    SS has around half the resistance as A1 in the same wire size. So the ohm you are looking for is probably the most important difference.
     
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  5. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    I think they are about the Same.

    Kanthal might be a little easier to work with. But it Ain't Much.
     
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  6. ZoLq

    ZoLq Moved On

    Dec 2, 2017
    i have 75w istick pico with tugboat rda. i know have whatever coil , it reads 0.41ohm. i want to get more vape. what ohm i should build?
     
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  7. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
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    Just don't dry burn SS to red hot like you would Kanthal. Just pulse it to look for hot spots.
     
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  8. Beamslider

    Beamslider Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    May 29, 2017
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    More than ohm involved in vapor production. More wire mass or surface area equal more vapor. Also equal more ramp time and more wattage.
     
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  9. Coastal Cowboy

    Coastal Cowboy This aggression will not stand, man! Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 13, 2013
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    Which version of the Tugboat do you have? One of them is single coil while the other is dual coil capable (I guess you could find a way to build a dual or a single on either).

    Stainless has the benefit of being able to run in both wattage mode and temp control. Your Pico does TC pretty well by itself and very well with Arctic Fox firmware. Google "NFE Tools and Arctic Fox" to learn all about that.

    Stainless is springy while Kanthal holds its shape better after bending. I'm always adding a half-wrap or so to account for stainless' tendency to spring back.

    If you get some 26ga SS316, try 8 wraps around a 3mm object. You should end up at somewhere between 0.5 and 0.6 Ohms, which does really well at about 40-50 Watts.

    You don't want to go much higher than that, wattage-wise. The Pico is powerful for a single cell device but 60-ish and higher Watts sucks your battery very quickly.
     
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  10. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
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    More vapor also means more juice used per puff.

    @ZoLq I personally prefer SS, but then again I do TC almost exclusively. I also find SS to be a "cleaner" taste, but that is 100% pure opinion. Seriously the best advice would be to build a coil out of one try it for a while, then build a coil out of the other and try that for a while and see which one YOU like best.
     
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  11. ZoLq

    ZoLq Moved On

    Dec 2, 2017
    i have tugboat v2. indeed it can run single coil as well as dual coil. i use single coil. i ordered kanthal a 0,32mm ( dont know kow much gauge that is ) how many wraps i should do? and can i like wrap it on pencil ? :D don't have really anything for this task

    nah i won't use tc i don't get it and i think it's pretty much the same as wattage
     
  12. Asbestos4004

    Asbestos4004 Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Sep 11, 2013
    Sugar Hill, Georgia
    My personal experience is I like SS better. For me, I can run everything I build with SS at lower wattage. Presently, I have 26ga SS in a Hurricane 1.3 and the coil is at .4ohm. It runs great at 20w. Generally, I use mechanical squonkers. 24ga SS spaced single coils on a mech is fantastic.
     
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  13. ScottP

    ScottP Vaping Master Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Apr 9, 2013
    Houston, TX
    0,32mm = 28gauge

    I wouldn't suggest a pencil, I think that might be too big. I would use a screwdriver (Phillips, or Torx, not flat head, since you will need to be able to slide the coil off), a screw, or something like that. I would try doing about 6 wraps to start.
     
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  14. EIHYPI

    EIHYPI Super Member ECF Veteran

    Feb 15, 2017
    NY & LA
    My experience with SS is that it brings out great flavor from the coils compared to Kanthal. I used kanthal for the last 8 months in my rdas but after trying SS recently, I can't separate myself from SS especially SS claptons. Now kanthal tastes to me like muted flavor compared. But my taste and yours may be different of course but it seems like I'm not the only one who thinks so.
     
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  15. VHRB2014

    VHRB2014 Ultra Member Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    SS is superior in my opinion.
     
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  16. zoiDman

    zoiDman My -0^10 = Nothing at All* ECF Veteran

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    You Can.

    But that would make kinda a Ginormous Sixed coil. A Little Blue screwdriver might be a Better Call.

    Or a Nail. Or how about a Drill Bit?
     
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  17. ZoLq

    ZoLq Moved On

    Dec 2, 2017
    okay. what wattage i should choose?
    i ordered kanthal already , sorry :/
     
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  18. stols001

    stols001 Mistress of the Dark Nicotinic Arts Verified Member ECF Veteran

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    In my opinion kanthal is easier to coil than SS, which yes is "springier." With that said, if you aren't going to use TC, you may find kanthal easier to work with at first. I really do agree with others about SS having a slightly "cleaner" taste. Maybe start with what you ordered and then experiment with SS down the line? I am also partial to 28 gauge SS wire, I find it easy to work with (both number of wraps for my resistance target) and it's a bit springy, but easier than thicker wires. I do have some 26 gauge, but I am usually looking for a higher resistance coil....

    I have done 0 "exotic" coils and I seem to be quite fine with that :)

    Anna

    Anna
     
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  19. Coastal Cowboy

    Coastal Cowboy This aggression will not stand, man! Verified Member ECF Veteran

    Jun 13, 2013
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    That would be 28 gauge wire. Good stuff to work with.

    You could wrap with a pencil, but you'd probably end up with a coil you don't like. You'd get better flavor with a thinner diameter. And you'd be surprised how much stuff you have laying around that would be up to the task.

    A 1/8" drill bit would work. A bamboo skewer would do nicely. Eat a Tootsie Roll Pop and count how many licks it takes to get to the center. Then use the stick.

    A lot of people use power mode only. Its usefulness is better with tanks than dripping atomizers. Once you're used to how many hits you can get from a drip, you have to work hard to get a dry hit. TC works on the known relationship between the coil wire's resistance and temperature. The hotter it gets, the more the metal's resistance increases. That rate of resistance increase is used by the chip in your mod to estimate temperature and once that estimated temperature gets to the level you've selected, the chip in the mod reduces power and prevents burning.
     
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