Knock off joy tech batteries???

[bnperry1]

I have been noticing that none of my, so called, ego batteries have the joy tech ego logo on them. When I purchase them (from places listed on this site!) they say that they are "joy tech" ego's, but when i get them, they dont have the logo. Am i getting duped?
I mean, they vape great, no complaints in that department, but don't like the idea of paying for something and getting an imitator.

 

[Heavyrocker]

If it dont say ""joytech Ego C" they are knock offs.The batteries dont last as long.

 

[Scottinboca]

This link is to Joyetech and list sites that sell fake Joyetech and unauthorized dealers.
http://www.joyetech.com/about/copycat.php?nation=US

 

[bnperry1]

Thank you both. I feel dirty now for supporting not authentic products.

 

[bryyyan]

This list is good to know!

 

[exodus454]

Yeah, there's a definite difference between the genuine and non. When I was using ego's I would ONLY buy batteries from places that list them as GENUINE JOYETECH. They may be a little more expensive, but it's worth it.

 

[UncleChuck]

What exactly are people perceiving to be this huge quality gap between genuine Joye batts and other brands? Are Joye egos super high quality and defect free like the eVic (LOL!)

Joye ego batts are regulated (with the one being able to switch between regulation and no regulation) where as many of the clones are not. This isn't a quality issue, it's just a preference issue. Many people (me included) can't stand Joye ego batts for their weak output due to regulation. Probably why they came out with the one you can switch to unregulated. Hmm perhaps Joye is the knockoff because they stole the idea of an unregulated device!

I'd bet money if you tore a Joye ego and a clone ego apart the battery inside would be identical. Just like the battery from my old Joye 510 stick batt when I pulled it apart, same as a few other random branded 510 batts. Unless that was a fake too. Joye isn't a battery manufacturer, they just buy the cells and throw them in a tube with a swtich. I'm sure they use bargain basement cells just like all other Chinese manufacturers.

To me, it sounds like calling a Zenesis a knock off simply because it's not the first Genesis out there. Would anyone call a Zenesis a knock off?

The batteries dont last as long.

The battery charge or the life of the product? Do you have any concrete data to back this up? Like a comparison of controlled charge-dischage cycles before failure? I don't mean this in an attacking way, I'm genuinely interested.

Yeah, there's a definite difference between the genuine and non. When I was using ego's I would ONLY buy batteries from places that list them as GENUINE JOYETECH. They may be a little more expensive, but it's worth it.

What difference is that exactly? Is the differnce in quality or features?

I'm really curious what the difference supposedly is. Whenever I see people talking about "fake" eGo and the like, people always say Joye is better, but I've yet to see a reason why. I think it's fair to say that some of the highest performance eGo batteries out there are not made by Joyetech.

I agree it's totally wrong for a vendor to sell something as a Joye product if it is not, but I frequently see people calling all the clones "fakes" or "counterfeit" even when they make no claim to be from Joyetech, or even when the vendor says what manufacturer they come from. Then the talk of huge quality differences, yet no actual talk about it.

If someone could clue me in I'd appreciate it!

 

[Heavyrocker]

View attachment 161968When say they dont last as long i meant both,they dont hold the charge as long and their life span is shorter,im no expert ,but this from what i have researched on the web.BTW,ill post a pic of a battery of my geuine joytech C,i dropped one of mine hard on a granite floor and i took it apart,wire broke from solder connection,i am going to fix it later today....heres the damaged battery.

Ego-t Battery Repair - YouTube

 

[Kropotkin]

I dunno. This is one of those areas where anecdotal evidence is all you'll ever get, and that doesn't actually "prove" anything, so . . . ?

When I first started vaping, about 6 months ago, I used cigalikes and non-Joye fat batts. Each item, on average, lasted three weeks before it had to be sent back for replacement. I hated that, so I bought a good mod and two Joye eGos, based on ECF advice. I haven't had to replace anything since, so, yeah: for me, this turned out to be very good advice. (Needless to say, this proves exactly nothing, and YMMV. Just saying.)

This link is to Joyetech and list sites that sell fake Joyetech and unauthorized dealers.
http://www.joyetech.com/about/copycat.php?nation=US

What does "Unauthorized" actually mean for the JoyeTech company? I've bought stuff from two of the venders listed in that category, and am now wondering whether I should shop elsewhere in future?

 

[Scottinboca]

I pretty sure all unauthorized means that they didn't buy there products directly from Joyetech. They may have bought it from a wholesaler or split an order from Joyetech with an authorized dealer.

I dunno. This is one of those areas where anecdotal evidence is all you'll ever get, and that doesn't actually "prove" anything, so . . . ?

When I first started vaping, about 6 months ago, I used cigalikes and non-Joye fat batts. Each item, on average, lasted three weeks before it had to be sent back for replacement. I hated that, so I bought a good mod and two Joye eGos, based on ECF advice. I haven't had to replace anything since, so, yeah: for me, this turned out to be very good advice. (Needless to say, this proves exactly nothing, and YMMV. Just saying.)


What does "Unauthorized" actually mean for the JoyeTech company? I've bought stuff from two of the venders listed in that category, and am now wondering whether I should shop elsewhere in future?

 

[UncleChuck]

I dunno. This is one of those areas where anecdotal evidence is all you'll ever get, and that doesn't actually "prove" anything, so . . . ?

Kind of what I figured....

Maybe I've just been lucky and never had any crappy eGos. Most of my eGo batts are SmokTech, and they function great. I love the robust (relatively) power when fresh off the charger. I can vape them almost dead before they get as weak as Joyetech batts. Also used pretty much only 1.5ohm stuff, which would seemingly bring out any flaws in the battery pretty quick, and have had no issues. Even when using them on the 350mAh minis. I've got two old Smoktech eGo batts, old enough that it was before Smoktech put the 5 click on/off feature, they are probably my most used and abused batteries, and they still function perfect.

I've also got some non-Joye, regulated passthrough batteries with the screw off base cap with the micro USB port underneath. These have also held up and work great.

I'm trying to figure out if people think non-Joye eGos are crap because:

1- They had a bad experience with a non-Joye eGo, and then a good experince with a Joye, so now all non-Joye eGos instantly become crap in their mind.

2- They just hear how Joye is better and perpetuate this idea without any personal experience

3- They prefer the features of a Joye over some of the clones, and mistake different features for different quality.

4- They are obsessed with rubber and don't like the regular painted clones

Like I said before I'm not trying to be difficult or play devils advocate or anything, just trying to get some concrete info on what the differences actually are. If Joye Egos were proven to last 20% longer than the clones of the same mAh, were proven to lack some weak point or faulty design that the clones have, or if there was any other concrete evidence of Joye's superiority than I'm perfectly fine with that, but I'd like to know. I don't like to just play along and take people at their word, when I have no idea what they are basing their word on. Just because ideas float around a lot or a line gets repeated frequently doesn't make it true....

 

[Jerms]

I get what your saying Chuck and am kinda curious myself. It would be awesome to see more double blind type studies on many things ecig related.

As for my own anecdotal experience; I've had Riva, Kgo (ego "clones" ), and Joyetech Twists for fat batts and they all performed well for a length of time I was satisfied with. The only ones to die on me was Riva but I had those the longest and was satisfied with the life of them.

I think another reason a vendor selling genuine Joyetech batteries may be on the list of unauthorized suppliers may be they are selling them at a lower price point then Joyetech allows.

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[Racehorse]

I have been noticing that none of my, so called, ego batteries have the joy tech ego logo on them. When I purchase them (from places listed on this site!) they say that they are "joy tech" ego's, but when i get them, they dont have the logo.

Some vendors put their own name on them, I think?

Are you saying the site actually says JOYETECH egos? Not just egos? I would think any vendor using the Joyetech name, on their site, would not be risking that if they didn't carry genuine prodcuts.......not many anyway.

If they just say EGO then that doesn't mean joyetech.

I think another reason a vendor selling genuine Joyetech batteries may be on the list of unauthorized suppliers may be they are selling them at a lower price point then Joyetech allows.

PRobably so.

 

[bnperry1]

Some vendors put their own name on them, I think?

Are you saying the site actually says JOYETECH egos? Not just egos? I would think any vendor using the Joyetech name, on their site, would not be risking that if they didn't carry genuine prodcuts.......not many anyway.

If they just say EGO then that doesn't mean joyetech.




And THATS wjhere they got me. Thanks for pointing that out. No, they dont say "joy tech ego" they just say ego...

 

[r77r7r]

Me thinks egos get a bad rap because of beginners' abuse. Blaming the battery because of improper use/abuse.

They vape at 3.7volts now (what people use often, and gives a good vape), have protection circuitries, and are very inexpensive.

 

[RayN]

And THATS wjhere they got me. Thanks for pointing that out. No, they dont say "joy tech ego" they just say ego...

The overseas vendors use eGo like an adjective, they do the same with many other things that people mistake for brands.
With that said though, there are some very high quality brands of eGo that aren't Joye Technology products.

 

[Heavyrocker]

Check the end cap on the battery,if you dont see a big C with 2 lines etched in it,its a fake.

 

[bnperry1]

Check the end cap on the battery,if you dont see a big C with 2 lines etched in it,its a fake.

Just got my twist in and there IS A "C" with two lines etched in it. I m officially stoked. Thanks!

 

[Thrasher]

there is not MUCH difference, but why not support the original company that brought this to everyone, also almost all the knockoffs are not CE certified.
companies like vision prove they can make a better version, but i personally find a problem with a company that hides behind someone elses brand, if they are the same why cant they just tell you who they are? what do they need to hide from the consumer? maybe cheaper construction and then they get to use the joye name to charge you more?

I cannot locate the link but it was shown joyetech uses a grade A cells and many(not all) of the knockoffs are grabbing seconds. while there may be no difference in most you may see the difference when you start nearing the maximum charge cycle range.

 

[BuGlen]

I wouldn't worry too much about eGo batteries being knock-offs as long as you're dealing with a vendor that has a good reputation. I have a Joyetech eGo-C Twist and several Hello eGo-C Twist batteries, and they all perform the same. The Hello brand was about $5 cheaper than the Joyetech batteries of the same mAh rating, they're physically smaller (which I like), and the voltage dial is a bit stiffer (which I also like).

I have seen some vendors advertise "Joye" eGo products that are clones, and I've had family members get bad clones from a vendor that they (nor I) will ever do business with again. In short, clones are a big part of this industry and they help drive the prices down on many of the products that we use, so it's not necessarily a bad thing.