Latest News On Flavor Ban

[Myrany]

Does that mean that DIY flavors and nic will be coming off the shelf? If that is the case, my goose is cooked.

Flavorings for DIY wont come off the market they are used for food which for the most part was thier intended use.

FLavor Art however might well become a you have to order it from italy thing. They have said a US flavor ban would likely cause them to close their North American plant.

 

[fourmedallions]

Flavorings for DIY wont come off the market they are used for food which for the most part was thier intended use.

I am more worried about the nic right now. I have some, but not enough. I would actually prefer flavorless to the junk big tobacco is going to throw out there.

 

[Myrany]

I am more worried about the nic right now. I have some, but not enough. I would actually prefer flavorless to the junk big tobacco is going to throw out there.

ok what follows is opinion I have NO actual hard proof.

NIC has always been the choke hold on the industry and it has baffled me that they as of yet have not shut that part down. I strongly believe it is coming and likely sooner than we think unless there is some loophole in the law that prevents them from doing it.

I would tell anyone that is vaping. NOW is the time to lay in a lifetime supply which for most isn't all that much.

The ultimate question though is "Is liquid nicotine a flavor?" The language of trumps ban is it bans everything except tobacco and menthol. If liquid nicotine is considered a flavor then it is gone immediately if it is not then we might wiggle along for awhile. In either case lay in your supply.

Edit: ALso with the taxes on Nic liquid that have been proposed it is going to be VERY expensive to buy in the future. Add in to shut it down for us and not for JUUL and BLU etc all they have to do is require that you prove you are a registered manufacturer to buy liquid nic.

 

[Haktuspit]

Does that mean that DIY flavors and nic will be coming off the shelf? If that is the case, my goose is cooked.

You seriously haven't stocked yet? Nic isn't expensive... yet.

 

[fourmedallions]

I need about a month to pull it all together. I just did not have enough money to go around. I'm having massive panic attacks right now, but the best that I can hope for is that something else comes ups to distract Trump for a little while. It's going to go over really, really well when all of these businesses implode.

 

[Myrany]

I need about a month to pull it all together. I just did not have enough money to go around. I'm having massive panic attacks right now, but the best that I can hope for is that something else comes ups to distract Trump for a little while. It's going to go over really, really well when all of these businesses implode.

Step 1 breath
Step 2 take stock of what you have and what you need (this is free so do the lists now)
Step 3 get the nic first as soon as you are able
Step 4 make sure you have a couple of decent mechs and rebuildable toppers (these can be kept going a VERY long time and if you know someone or are yourself handy can be relatively easily repaired)
Step 5 get spare parts for those mechs and rebuildables
Step 6 stock up on everything else

Steps 1-5 can see you vaping for years to come
Step 6 is gravy

 

[LoveVanilla]

I need about a month to pull it all together. I just did not have enough money to go around. I'm having massive panic attacks right now, but the best that I can hope for is that something else comes ups to distract Trump for a little while. It's going to go over really, really well when all of these businesses implode.

We have political hacks and lobbyists running our government, and citizens and their health are not a particlular concern. The mantra is hope for the best but plan for the worst. If you can spare $45, forget everything else for the moment. Go here and place an order a liter of 100ml/l. Do that, and you will at least have options. GL

Edit: Myrany posted first. Possibly $5 cheaper elsewhere but Heartland seems to get good reports

 

[rosesense]

You can try coupon code vapemag at Heartland for 5% off. Not sure if it still works. Add enough to make $50 and shipping is free, I believe.

 

[JCinFLA]

I need about a month to pull it all together.

Don't worry about "pulling it all together". The only thing you need to get ASAP and first...is nic base!

 

[Electrodave]

Tobacco custard

 

[stols001]

It's really hard to "pull it all together' and I have been at this a while. It wasn't cheap either. I am super glad I am stocked for a life time of base but yeah I would be panicky right now honestly without it.

ONE liter of nic can give a person an undue sense of safety. I have just under 18 liters of nic, but I am fairly youthful. I might STILL be unduly um, confident as I don't know how well it's going to store over DECADES but it's about all I CAN do, so I am doing it.

My very last move was drop in coils for the tanks I LOVE and knew I would use forever. Even after a few mechs I hoped I would NEVER use. Etc. I kind of went at it systematically.

I feel like I have tons of flavors, or at least ENOUGH. I don't like a lot of stuff though, like I did not have to test (or want to test) every brand of citrus, strawberry or even mint on the market. OR cherry. Etc. I have lots of flavors I like and some one shots I consider fun, and I do think they will be obtainable.

If you need enough nic for 3 years, a liter of 100 is acceptable, on the short side. But that's IT. If you are in it until DEATH it gets annoying but I did it over time and it made it no cheaper really, just more palatable.

I don't believe nic base will become unobtainable tomorrow. Or even a few months from now. Deep breaths.
Anna

 

[fourmedallions]

Don't worry about "pulling it all together". The only thing you need to get ASAP and first...is nic base!

I have pretty much what I need for the time being in terms of hardware as far as it goes, but all I had at the outset was a cheap little pen that's already crapped out on me. It was get some hardware, or smoke. I got some hardware and now the race is on. I managed to get 1 liter of 48mg nicotine and used every last penny I had to get that much, but that's not enough for what's coming. I have bills I HAVE to pay and this is nuts and it's frustrating and it's just so incredibly stupid I want to scream.

I do expect that there will be some kind of legal challenge even if Trump does sign -- because that will almost certainly guarantee that A LOT of people are going to lose their jobs entirely or get laid off, and if I DID happen to work or own a vape shop, or juice outlet or any number of other related businesses, I'd be talking about hitting the streets right about yesterday. And if you do, I'll be out there with you. Just sayin'.

A lot of people are going to get hurt while the government feels the grease in its pocket and laughs all the way to the bank. Who give a flip how many people die from inferior black market product and batteries that explode the minute they are plugged in because they are forgeries? And who gives a flip that people who are disabled are hurting themselves financially in this crazy rush to outrun the bogey man dressed like Marlboro toe cheese.

This IS the United States, right? Home of the free market and blah-blah, right?....If this can happen to an entire industry, what other industry could it happen to? !

 

[rosesense]

I have pretty much what I need for the time being in terms of hardware as far as it goes, but all I had at the outset was a cheap little pen that's already crapped out on me. It was get some hardware, or smoke. I got some hardware and now the race is on. I managed to get 1 liter of 48mg nicotine and used every last penny I had to get that much, but that's not enough for what's coming. I have bills I HAVE to pay and this is nuts and it's frustrating and it's just so incredibly stupid I want to scream.

I do expect that there will be some kind of legal challenge even if Trump does sign -- because that will almost certainly guarantee that A LOT of people are going to lose their jobs entirely or get laid off, and if I DID happen to work or own a vape shop, or juice outlet or any number of other related businesses, I'd be talking about hitting the streets right about yesterday. And if you do, I'll be out there with you. Just sayin'.

A lot of people are going to get hurt while the government feels the grease in its pocket and laughs all the way to the bank. Who give a flip how many people die from inferior black market product and batteries that explode the minute they are plugged in because they are forgeries? And who gives a flip that people who are disabled are hurting themselves financially in this crazy rush to outrun the bogey man dressed like Marlboro toe cheese.

This IS the United States, right? Home of the free market and blah-blah, right?....If this can happen to an entire industry, what other industry could it happen to? !

Just keep coming to ECF, I am sure there will be lots of helpful folk when all this comes down and we will help each other get through it.

 

[Tabac man]

Most of them ya could just name them 'Tastes like Crap'.
Or Crap 1, Crap 2, Crap 3 etc.

 

[JCinFLA]

I managed to get 1 liter of 48mg nicotine and used every last penny I had to get that much, but that's not enough for what's coming.

Since we're both located in the central FL area...PM me (send me a private message), and I'll see if I can help with working something out, as far as nic base you'll need for the future.

 

[Morgan_Drury]

It's really hard to "pull it all together' and I have been at this a while. It wasn't cheap either. I am super glad I am stocked for a life time of base but yeah I would be panicky right now honestly without it.

ONE liter of nic can give a person an undue sense of safety. I have just under 18 liters of nic, but I am fairly youthful. I might STILL be unduly um, confident as I don't know how well it's going to store over DECADES but it's about all I CAN do, so I am doing it.

My very last move was drop in coils for the tanks I LOVE and knew I would use forever. Even after a few mechs I hoped I would NEVER use. Etc. I kind of went at it systematically.

I feel like I have tons of flavors, or at least ENOUGH. I don't like a lot of stuff though, like I did not have to test (or want to test) every brand of citrus, strawberry or even mint on the market. OR cherry. Etc. I have lots of flavors I like and some one shots I consider fun, and I do think they will be obtainable.

If you need enough nic for 3 years, a liter of 100 is acceptable, on the short side. But that's IT. If you are in it until DEATH it gets annoying but I did it over time and it made it no cheaper really, just more palatable.

I don't believe nic base will become unobtainable tomorrow. Or even a few months from now. Deep breaths.
Anna

How are you storing those 18 liters?

I'm hoping that worst case scenario I have until January 1st. This way I can pick up a couple gallons.

Here's my thoughts on what I'm planning.

In order to minimalise the degradation of Nicotine, I need to slow down the molecules in the entire solution.

VG has a freezing point of -36*F
Nicotine has a flash point of -110*F

Seems to me that it would be more cost effective to get the VG as close to freezing as possible. This would essentially create a cold insulation for the nicotine molecules.

The lowest setting on some chest freezers can be -30*F.

This should minimalise the rate of decay to exponentially extend the shelf life of the Nicotine solution.

So I plan on buying a chest freezer solely for storing my nicotine.

No idea though how long the nicotine would be good for. I can't make any claims since I haven't looked in all sorts of data on this that I hope is already out there.

If I run into the info/an answer somewhere, I'll be sure to post it.

 

[Uncle Willie]

I've been laying in NIC since 2012 .. at my age, based on my consumption, I have enough to last till I'm 138 .. I don't care if I have to use it unflavored .. all I ever vape is tobacco or menthol flavor anyway ..

Early bottles of NIC stored in my freezer, in blue glass bottles that hold 120ml each, wrapped in foil and placed in a sock, are as fresh as the day I bought them .. PG / VG are going nowhere ..

What I don't understand is, on a Forum devoted to vaping, when all the news pops out tout suite, why any of this is a surprise and why anyone would have been caught off guard .. the writing has been on the wall for some time ..

 

[Uncle Willie]

How are you storing those 18 liters?

I'm hoping that worst case scenario I have until January 1st. This way I can pick up a couple gallons.

Here's my thoughts on what I'm planning.

In order to minimalise the degradation of Nicotine, I need to slow down the molecules in the entire solution.

VG has a freezing point of -36*F
Nicotine has a flash point of -110*F

Seems to me that it would be more cost effective to get the VG as close to freezing as possible. This would essentially create a cold insulation for the nicotine molecules.

The lowest setting on some chest freezers can be -30*F.

This should minimalise the rate of decay to exponentially extend the shelf life of the Nicotine solution.

So I plan on buying a chest freezer solely for storing my nicotine.

No idea though how long the nicotine would be good for. I can't make any claims since I haven't looked in all sorts of data on this that I hope is already out there.

If I run into the info/an answer somewhere, I'll be sure to post it.

You're over thinking it .. the discussion on NIC storage has been ongoing on ECF since I first joined and likely before that .. you can find numerous threads ..

 

[dennism]

I've been lowering my nicotine consumption over the years, now down to 1.5 mg(DTL). I think I could vape nicotine free ejuice with no problems.

 

[Lowjumper]

You can try coupon code vapemag at Heartland for 5% off. Not sure if it still works. Add enough to make $50 and shipping is free, I believe.

Coupon still works, shipping over 50.00 still free (as of now)