least fiddly long-term e-cig for a disabled friend?

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an old family friend has showed interest in quitting rollies and vaping instead. she generally smokes probably fifteen a day.

the issue is, vaping can be fiddly and she is thalidomide, which means she is in pain a lot of the time and fiddly things can be very taxing.

I went straight for the APVs so I know nothing about things like eGos and prefilled cartos, but I figure something like this would be best? money isn't that much of an issue here, just ease of use and simplicity, but also quality enough vape for her to want to use it (ie not dekang-grade flavours). I really can't see her cleaning clearos and dry burning coils. she's obviously not going to be after clouds or intense fancy fruit flavours, just some simple vapor.

please please please help! she has been smoking like a trooper for many years and I bet her health would improve dramatically if she weaned off them.

thanks!
 
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i've had some of the best luck, believe it or not, with some cheap-o (inexpensive, but great quality) Greensound GS-H5C (& GS-H5LED with 510 thread) bottom-coil clearomizers (BCCs) with lighter-colored juices-- darker ones tend to leak in all of my tanks for some reason...... & i also use a Kanger Aerotank which hits awesome & doesn't matter what kind of juice i put in it & will never crack unless it's dropped on concrete or something... BCCs with ego batteries (use a VV one for more flexibility/control of the vapor) have got to be some of the best combinations for long-lasting "fill & forget" ease of use when it comes to vaping without having to spend an arm & a leg. coils have to be cleaned or replaced occasionally, but it's as simple as open the tank, toss/soak/clean the coil, pop in a fresh one, re-fill if needed, close the tank & continue :vapor:
 
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I have cerebral palsy and rheumatoid arthritis so I definitely can't "do" fiddly. I've been very happy with my MVP for a battery. If weight is an issue with regard to how much she can hold, go with the itaste vv3, it has the same form factor as an ego with variable voltage/variable wattage, passthru ability, ohm checker and circuitry protection. She may not need/want any of that "extra stuff" right now apart from the circuit protection, but she won't be able to manage an ego twist very easily, so if she *ever* wants to be able to manage with a vv/vw device in the future, the vv3 or the MVP are the only options available to her at an affordable price point. (There are other affordable options but then she has to mess with batteries - more fiddling and more upfront expense.)

Re toppers... eesh. Cartos..... maybe? How is her aim when dealing with fine motor work? I dumped cartos within the first two weeks... they're expensive, and the only way I could get the carto full without getting juice down the hole was to stick a toothpick down the air hole first. Even then, I often ended up with more juice on my hands/the table than in the carto (I can't do the carto-condom fill method some use, that little adventure ended up with liquid *everywhere*). That said, my abilities and disabilities are not the same as your friend's so they may be a good option for *her*, if she can master how to drip liquid down the side, and can afford to replace the cartos when they wear out.

So, other options, what about tanks? The issue there is, vaping with tanks is in general *much* more fiddly than a good RBA/genny set up. I struggled with tanks for months because I thought I couldn't wrap coils... got dry hits, flooding, was constantly unscrewing, screwing, adjusting the silicone cap on the coil head, etc etc.

For *me* - and I stress, for *me* - it is much *less* fiddly to use a genesis or an RBA, wrap a coil, and then *leave that sucker in there* - dryburning is then as simple as yanking the wick, firing till there's no more vapor, sticking another wick through and I'm done with it, no fiddling around with screwing and unscrewing things all the time. I only build a new coil about once a month, and that's usually because I got bored.

I grew up with several friends who were affected by thalidomide or had ectrodactyly. Some of them had better fine motor abilities than others (everything from better than mine to a complete inability to grip)... so my question would be, which is easier for your friend - filling a carto, that screwing/unscrewing motion for a tank, or poking a wick through a coil?

If it's the first, then cartos, and she's sorted. More power to her!

If it's the second, maybe go with the Kanger Aerotank Mega - it seems to be one of the more reliable tanks out there, and has air flow control. I will say my Areotank Mega is the *least* fiddly tank I own so far, and the one I usually go to first for out-and-about.

If it's the last, I would bet a large amount of money that the easiest thing for her would be to use a genesis or an RBA, and then have you or some other good samaritan wrap a new coil for her every 2 to 4 weeks. If she has someone else to actually do the build, dry burning and rewicking an RBA or a genny is much easier than trying to dry burn a tank coil. It used to take me 30 minutes of creative cursing to get my tanks dry burned and reassembled... it takes me literally thirty seconds to dry burn and re-wick my RBA or my gennys.

As far as which RBAs/gennys have a lot of space to work with for wicking and won't break the bank - I like both my Tobeco Krakens and my Infinite Magma for ease of wicking, with coils wrapped around a #0 metric screwdriver so that the hole is big enough for even my crappy fine motor coordination to poke a wick through.

Definitely don't go with something like a Russian or a kayfun. (If I don't say that, I suspect some well meaning commenter will suggest one.) I tried both and traded them away almost immediately, as for me they're the worst of both worlds when it comes to *maintenance*.... in order to troubleshoot it or dry burn it, I have to take the whole bloody thing apart, just like a tank, but *unlike* a tank, I also have to build coils for the thing. If I had a butler to do all the fiddly work for me they'd be great, but for doing it myself, I need something that is *easy* to fill where the coil is *easily* accessed.

Hope that helps.
 

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REO bottom feeder with 1.7ohm shorty cartos (those little cartos are cheap, you use and then toss in garbage) or a few over the counter Cisco atties.

Honest, it's THE most hassle free system there is, juice is on board, batteries are on board, just stick a carto or prebuilt atty on there.


Back when I started vaping, it was a battery + clearomizer. About 2 weeks in, all I could think of was: "this is what I'm going to have to deal with forever?" I bought a vmod bottom feeder and it was like, okay, this is do-able. Then bought a few REOs too.

Just sharing what worked for me
 
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REO bottom feeder with 1.7ohm shorty cartos (those little cartos are cheap, you use and then toss in garbage) or a few over the counter Cisco atties.

Honest, it's THE most hassle free system there is, juice is on board, batteries are on board, just stick a carto or prebuilt atty on there.

I covet the REO but I am not even saving to buy one at this point, because I strongly suspect that squonking would have a very steep learning curve for me, as my fingers do not like to move independently. Those who have been affected by thalidomide are missing their forearms and often have small hands, short fingers (sometimes also missing fingers) and difficulties with coordination. Could a Reo work? Yes, absolutely... but it would be a very expensive setup to invest in with the knowledge that it might not work at *all* for the person in question.

Just throwing that out there.
 

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Squonking a Reo isn't as difficult as some people seem to think, but that's neither here nor there. I agree with Racehorse that the Reo is the easiest and least complicated mod to use, but I'm hesitant to suggest it in this case since you didn't indicate your friend's dexterity. The Reo uses one bottle of one flavor at a time and for a new vaper who may want to try different flavors it requires switching the bottle out. It isn't hard for most people, but the bottles are small and you have to reach in and unscrew them.
 

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hey guys

an old family friend has showed interest in quitting rollies and vaping instead. she generally smokes probably fifteen a day.

the issue is, vaping can be fiddly and she is thalidomide, which means she is in pain a lot of the time and fiddly things can be very taxing.

I went straight for the APVs so I know nothing about things like eGos and prefilled cartos, but I figure something like this would be best? money isn't that much of an issue here, just ease of use and simplicity, but also quality enough vape for her to want to use it (ie not dekang-grade flavours). I really can't see her cleaning clearos and dry burning coils. she's obviously not going to be after clouds or intense fancy fruit flavours, just some simple vapor.

please please please help! she has been smoking like a trooper for many years and I bet her health would improve dramatically if she weaned off them.

thanks!

I agree with what delicious clouds said. This is the strongpoint of cigalikes, is they're easy. Fiddly is one thing, vapor quantity/quality is another. In order to have ease of use, you sacrifice vapor production. That is why a lot of e-cig users don't mind building coils.

For the least "fiddly", probably something like a Blu Ecig. Replaceable cartriges are sold in a lot of places here in the US. I'd probably start off at a fairly high nic strength to make up for the lack of vapor. The most "fiddly" she'll have to deal with is keeping the batteries recharged and screwing in cartriges. The blue power pack may help with that as well. If there's a dominant cigalike in Australia, I'd go for that.

The next less fiddly is an Ego twist type and a mini protank. These can be finiky at times, but have proven themselves to be consistant in whatever problems they have. The most finiky thing she'll have to do is unscrew the base and fill the liquid before there's 1/4th left. It'll provide good flavor and vapor. coils can be replaced, but again, that adds to the "finikyness" if you want to make it a bit less finicky, you could go with the stardust(AKA CE4) type atomizers. those don't produce as much vapor, but they're a disposable tank system. When they get worn out, just throw them away. A bit of a waste, but fairly easy. Some have replaceable coils, but... again, that adds to the finikyness.

If you choose the Ego route, I recommend the Variable voltage from the start. The batteries are just a bit more, but it might provide enough vapor to help quit the smoking habbit. That's why I don't usually suggest something like Blu ecigs from the start, but if finickyness is the major issue, it provides a stumbling block to hurdle through. I personally recommend starting strong in the Ecigs, then lighten up when the smoking habbit stops. After she quits, she can decide to go in whatever direction she feels fit... quit totally, switch to more complicated mods, or continue with what she has.

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The next less fiddly is an Ego twist type and a mini protank.

If you choose the Ego route, I recommend the Variable voltage from the start. The batteries are just a bit more, but it might provide enough vapor to help quit the smoking habbit. That's why I don't usually suggest something like Blu ecigs from the start, but if finickyness is the major issue, it provides a stumbling block to hurdle through. I personally recommend starting strong in the Ecigs, then lighten up when the smoking habbit stops. After she quits, she can decide to go in whatever direction she feels fit... quit totally, switch to more complicated mods, or continue with what she has.

Links were provided for a visual reference only.

The issue with the Ego Twist is that trying to twist that dial to adjust is really, *really* difficult if you have sub par grip strength (or if you can't do a "pincer grasp" - thumb to forefinger - easily. The ablebodied folks make it look easy as pie... I cursed for ten minutes and then "gifted" mine to my mother. ;) She does fine.

That's why for a vv/vw stick battery, I would recommend the itaste vv3 over the ego twist... clicky buttons work no matter what your grip strength is like.

Another thing, OP - re: cig alikes... yes, they're low on the fiddly scale, but the battery life is pants and they generally don't have enough power to "scratch the itch" of a moderate to heavy smoker. They're also very easy to cross thread if you're not very good with twisty-twisty stuff. I'd skip them and jump to the vv3 (or the MVP if she can hold heavier items - it's not uncomfortably heavy, I'd put it on par with a TV remote in weight).

Again though, that's me. Any chance of taking her somewhere where she can try out some gear to see what she can/can't manage? That would be the best option yet, but I know it can also be quite a hassle to find an accessible-ish place to do so.
 

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hey guys

an old family friend has showed interest in quitting rollies and vaping instead. she generally smokes probably fifteen a day.

the issue is, vaping can be fiddly and she is thalidomide, which means she is in pain a lot of the time and fiddly things can be very taxing.

I went straight for the APVs so I know nothing about things like eGos and prefilled cartos, but I figure something like this would be best? money isn't that much of an issue here, just ease of use and simplicity, but also quality enough vape for her to want to use it (ie not dekang-grade flavours). I really can't see her cleaning clearos and dry burning coils. she's obviously not going to be after clouds or intense fancy fruit flavours, just some simple vapor.

please please please help! she has been smoking like a trooper for many years and I bet her health would improve dramatically if she weaned off them.

thanks!

I think prefilled cartos would be the least fiddly. I'd say 'cigalike' but 'prefilled carto' might sound better.
 

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I think prefilled cartos would be the least fiddly. I'd say 'cigalike' but 'prefilled carto' might sound better.

Aha, I forgot all about those - couldn't afford to keep buying them myself, but the OP mentioned price is not a concern. Pre-filled cartos and a vv3 is my vote for absolute biggest no-muss no-fuss. Not sure pre-filled cartos are available in Oz with nic, though? If not, someone else could "pre-fill" a few dozen ahead of time for the person in question.

As you can see, OP, a lot depends on your friend's fine motor abilities and how much someone with better working hands might be willing to help out here and there... much like everything else in our lives. :)
 

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The issue with the Ego Twist is that trying to twist that dial to adjust is really, *really* difficult if you have sub par grip strength (or if you can't do a "pincer grasp" - thumb to forefinger - easily. The ablebodied folks make it look easy as pie... I cursed for ten minutes and then "gifted" mine to my mother. ;) She does fine.

That's why I rubberized the bottom of the ego. Just grip the whole battery, push down on the end, and twist the whole battery a bit. Usually though, I keep it at one setting anyways. Also, they have VV by pressing buttons as well in the EGO style, but it's limited to three settings.

That's why for a vv/vw stick battery, I would recommend the itaste vv3 over the ego twist... clicky buttons work no matter what your grip strength is like.;

I agree, and it's more dependent on the person. However, I usually don't suggest something expensive to start off with. But if money was no object, I agree. I just don't want someone to get one and not switch, then look at it and say "I spent that money on a failure.. never again"[/QUOTE]

Another thing, OP - re: cig alikes... yes, they're low on the fiddly scale, but the battery life is pants and they generally don't have enough power to "scratch the itch" of a moderate to heavy smoker. They're also very easy to cross thread if you're not very good with twisty-twisty stuff. I'd skip them and jump to the vv3 (or the MVP if she can hold heavier items - it's not uncomfortably heavy, I'd put it on par with a TV remote in weight).

Again though, that's me. Any chance of taking her somewhere where she can try out some gear to see what she can/can't manage? That would be the best option yet, but I know it can also be quite a hassle to find an accessible-ish place to do so.

Yes, That is why I don't suggest those for starters for smokers. However, they ARE the least complex. The battery pack helps with the battery life some. And as far as a cartomizer Vs MVP goes for "twisty twisty", they're the same.
 

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That's why I rubberized the bottom of the ego. Just grip the whole battery, push down on the end, and twist the whole battery a bit. Usually though, I keep it at one setting anyways. Also, they have VV by pressing buttons as well in the EGO style, but it's limited to three settings.

That's *brilliant*. I prefer having the ohm checker on the MVP and the vv3, but if I ever need to make the ego-twist gimp-friendly for a buddy, now I know how to cobble it together. Thanks! I fiddle with my settings all the time, so being able to adjust is a must for me, but I can see how the three-setting option would work for some... mom rarely adjusts hers.

I agree, and it's more dependent on the person. However, I usually don't suggest something expensive to start off with. But if money was no object, I agree. I just don't want someone to get one and not switch, then look at it and say "I spent that money on a failure.. never again"

Good point, but the OP did say cost wasn't a concern, and the vv3 isn't much more expensive than an ego twist - I've seen them as low as $25, and they regularly go for just over $30, so I'm comfortable recommending them even to "budget" vapers who have a disability of one kind or another... the ease of use is worth the extra cost for the disabled vapers I know. But everyone is different, so I'm glad you made the suggestion (and again, that hack is sheer genius!).

Yes, That is why I don't suggest those for starters for smokers. However, they ARE the least complex. The battery pack helps with the battery life some. And as far as a cartomizer Vs MVP goes for "twisty twisty", they're the same.

Yep, I was agreeing with you re: not the best option for people who are just starting to switch, but least complex. As far as the twisty twisty, though, not the same at *all* for me personally, for one reason - I can set the MVP or the vv3 upright on a table so that I'm sure I'm holding it level, and *then* screw a topper on. Since the bottom of a cigalike is usually rounded, setting it on a table doesn't help me ensure that it's level - when I was using cig-alikes, the best I could do was hold the battery in my bad hand, pray that I was holding it semi straight, and slowly begin to screw a carto on with my good hand, stopping whenever I cross-threaded it (about one time out of four - just often enough to be frustrating!) I have yet to cross-thread anything if I can set the battery on a table (stabilizing it with my bad hand if necessary) so that I know the threading on the battery isn't sitting at an angle. (edited to add: I did try setting a cigalike lengthwise on the table and threading it on that way, but then it's harder to see what you're doing.)

It's these little, tiny, picky things that can make all the difference when your hands don't work as advertised, and everyone's abilities/disabilities are different... but I stand by cigalikes being harder to thread if your coordination or range of motion is compromised, for that reason.
 

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I'm new to this scene, so I'm not super experienced but from a newbie's point of view, even my Kanger EVOD has been a bit "fiddly" to get used to, compared to say the Blu Cigs. I have also heard great things about the Halo G6. For me, as an electrical engineer, I don't mind opening up atomizers and messing around with wicks and coils, but for what you described, it seems like the cig-a-likes like Blu or G6 would be a no-brainer. You can get prefilled cartridges easily (from the corner store or WalMart in the case of Blu) and you don't have to worry about leaking/gurgling/dry hits/any of the many problems I have discovered one encounters even when dealing with the relatively simple eGo style kits. Some people don't want to have to constantly open up and clean or tinker with their devices, much less change voltage/wattage/resistance so the cig-style option seems like a safe bet if you want something that "just works".
 
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I covet the REO but I am not even saving to buy one at this point, because I strongly suspect that squonking would have a very steep learning curve for me, as my fingers do not like to move independently. Those who have been affected by thalidomide are missing their forearms and often have small hands, short fingers (sometimes also missing fingers) and difficulties with coordination. Could a Reo work? Yes, absolutely... but it would be a very expensive setup to invest in with the knowledge that it might not work at *all* for the person in question.

Just throwing that out there.

Understand.

to be honest, I think an automatic (no button) pv would be best . If she / he could hack a cig-a-like, the joyetech eRoll puts out quite a nice vape. I would say absolutely best in it's class.

Lots of little tanks for fill but can be done all at once, and charge the PCC once a day and that's it.

BUT, then you get into dexterity problems with the "smallness" of it.

SEe, it reallly depends, when talking about dexterity, EXACTLY what movements are preferred and not prefeered. I have really bad arthritis in hands, so stuff that doesn't bother people bothers me a real lot. OTOH, that may not be same as your friend's disability.

BEST would be to take her to a large B&M where she could hold stuff and try it out!
 

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I'd say cigalikes, for the absolute least fuss, but i'd defo suggest suggest the aerotank mega. My grandfather had a stroke and is paralyzed on his left side, but he's able to use this tank, refill it and clean it without any problem. I got him this as i'm having a very good experience with this tank, especially the coils. Absolutely no leaking, gurgling or dud coils so far so unlike most other tanks it doesn't have to be dismantled, cleaned and mucked about with all the time to work - and the coils are lasting at least a week each (and thats moderate to heavy vaping with dark sugary liquids like goose juice too).

For the battery I got him an MVP V2 as it is a reliable and cost effect device with great reviews anywhere you look, and it has a large battery capacity which is built in internally so you charge the device directly and can even vape while it's charging. Also, because of it's box shape it is sturdy, easy to grip, not easy to lose, and it won't roll away when it's put down. He has been using this set up since May and loves it.

My Grandad did try ego-type devices with mini a protank 2 and a davide mini, but they kept flooding gurgling etc. which just ...... him off and made him smoke cigs again.

Cigalikes are the easiest overall and if your friend is happy with the vape they give i'd say go for that, but the above will give a terrific vape without any fuss.
 

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To conclude this discussion, its apparant that there could be a few workable options, with no single clear-cut winner for battery device and/or juice attachment.

All of us went on a vaping journey to find what works best for us, trying many devices before we found what actually works best for us. Your friend may well need to do the same. If the first setup does not work out well, try another. Don't give up the ship.
 
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