Like some awful Déjà vu. The Next FDA Commissionaire?

[zoiDman]

It's like I'm Stuck in some Horrible Dream. And Can't Wakeup.

Biden eyeing FDA veteran Robert Califf to lead the agency

Flashback...

FDA clamps down on e-cigarettes

 

[somdcomputerguy]

I get the Politico newsletter, and I read this this morning. I'm still not sure what to make of this, but I highly doubt it will be good for us.

 

[zoiDman]

I get the Politico newsletter, and I read this this morning. I'm still not sure what to make of this, but I highly doubt it will be good for us.

Califf sees THR thru a Binary Lens. You either use tobacco and are a 2nd Class Citizen. Or you Don't use tobacco. In which case you are possibly OK.

He pushed for the Strictest Deeming Possible. And follows Science about as much as Slantz did when he was at UCSF. Perhaps a little Less. He is also a Dyed in the Wool "Save the Children" Drum Beater.

I Can't Think of Too Many Retreads that could be Worse to Head the FDA THR-wise.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

I get the Politico newsletter, and I read this this morning. I'm still not sure what to make of this, but I highly doubt it will be good for us.

There are others who agree - And not only just because of vaping:

"...........
But consumer advocacy group Public Citizen slammed Califf as a "recycled FDA Commissioner pick" with close ties to the pharmaceutical industry.

"The country desperately needs an FDA leader who will reverse the decades-long trend in which the agency’s relationship with the pharmaceutical and medical-device industries has grown dangerously cozier – resulting in regulatory capture of the agency by industry," Michael Carome, director of Public Citizen's Health Research Group, said in a statement. "Califf would not be that leader."

Biden eyeing FDA veteran Robert Califf to lead the agency

 

[MLEJ]

And follows Science about as much as Slantz did

"The country desperately needs an FDA leader who will reverse the decades-long trend in which the agency’s relationship with the pharmaceutical and medical-device industries has grown dangerously cozier – resulting in regulatory capture of the agency by industry," Michael Carome, director of Public Citizen's Health Research Group, said in a statement.

We see as vapers that the FDA is dishonest and corrupt. It's not even debatable at this point, imo. These are the same people who regulate our foods, medicines, vaccines, millions of things going into millions of bodies all the time. We see as vapers that the great majority of people are perfectly willing to accept without question whatever information they're fed. Truly frightening. Far more than the prospect of running out of a favorite coil or having to one day use a mech mod.

 

[Rossum]

We see as vapers that the FDA is dishonest and corrupt. It's not even debatable at this point, imo. These are the same people who regulate our foods, medicines, vaccines, millions of things going into millions of bodies all the time. We see as vapers that the great majority of people are perfectly willing to accept without question whatever information they're fed.

Sadly, many vapers have not connected the dots yet either; they continue to trust the FDA and other "public health" agencies on most non-vaping matters, when it should now be obvious to them that such trust is utterly misplaced.

Truly frightening. Far more than the prospect of running out of a favorite coil or having to one day use a mech mod.

What do you mean, "one day", Lass?

 

[zoiDman]

A Done Deal?

Biden meets with top FDA candidate

 

[Rossum]

Biden meets with top FDA candidate

Califf ... in 2019 took a position leading medical strategy and policy at Alphabet, Google's parent company.

So now we know who to thank for Google and YT's policies regarding vaping, not to mention the ongoing situation with a certain virus...

 

[zoiDman]

So now we know who to thank for Google and YT's policies regarding vaping, not to mention the ongoing situation with a certain virus...

Yeah... Califf is Bad News all the way around the block.

Can't think of a Worse v2.0 this administration could dredge up? With the possible exception of Hamburg.

But I guess being charging in a RICO Lawsuit took some of the Shine Off Hamburg's apple.

 

[MLEJ]

So now we know who to thank for Google and YT's policies regarding vaping

Expecting it to only get worse, of course.

 

[zoiDman]

It's Official.

Biden nominates Califf as FDA chief

Let the Inside Deals and the Pocket Lining commence.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

It's Official.

Biden nominates Califf as FDA chief

Let the Inside Deals and the Pocket Lining commence.

Can he, or will he, try to undo FDA's admission that vaping is safer than cigarettes?
You've been following him - Is he really that much against vaping? Will he actually try to get it outlawed?
Or is he just going to go along and try to tax every dime out of it like the rest of the politicos apparently now want to do?

 

[zoiDman]

Can he, or will he, try to undo FDA's admission that vaping is safer than cigarettes?
You've been following him - Is he really that much against vaping? Will he actually try to get it outlawed?
Or is he just going to go along and try to tax every dime out of it like the rest of the politicos apparently now want to do?

I foresee that Califf will keep the CTP/Zeller on the Same Trajectory that it is on Now. Systematic Removal of ALL but a Handful of BT/BV products.

He is one of those Wonks who will project Falling e-Cigarette Use numbers as a Good Thing. Even though that means More People Dying from Combustible Tobacco. And an Expediential Growth in the Black Market as seen in the THC Sector.

Califf is also a Die-Hard Company Man. He will walk in Lock Step with Becerra. And the Direction his Party's Wind Blows is the Direction his flag points. Health on the Population Level is Very Low on Califf's list of Things to Do Today.

 

[Train2]

Apologies in advance for a crappy attitude this evening...
And likely not a popular opinion, but my perception is that this war was lost quite a while back. When there wasn't a REVOLT over the very first "deeming" in which things like little plastic boxes were legislatively defined as being "tobacco products". That was some real "Ministry of Truth" bull.... right there - and it stood.

Then we had exploding batteries, followed by the tainted cart fiasco, where vaping made the news for hospitalizing people.
All in all, enemies of vaping did a good enough job and won. We're just living through the slow process of getting to the end-game.

I said over five years ago that the end game had Tobacco and/or Pharmaceutical companies as the only authorized vendors of nicotine, and the product would have to replace cigarette revenue: The obvious feature likely being a non-refillable cartridge.

If I were less lazy, or in the industry, I'd probably do a deep study of how the MJ (THC) business seems to have won their battle, while we (nicotine vapers) lost ours. Well, actually...that's probably the answer. That fight took a good 30 years, didn't it? Maybe there's a path to follow there - and with a model, perhaps compress the timeline a bit.

I've only got something like 15 years worth of nicotine. I guess I'll get some more if it looks like they're gonna tax it.
Did you see the tax proposed? Looks clear to me that some a$$hat wrote it intending to add $5 to the cost of a 30ml bottle of 6mg juice - but if applied to DIY supplies, it's a $2700 tax on a liter of nic.
LOL. A sad LOL, but LOL.

 

[borno]

I would not be surprised if the feds planted the harmful thc vape products that started the whole mess. They used methanol to poison people during prohibition after all.

 

[Vapeon4Life]

I would not be surprised if the feds planted the harmful thc vape products that started the whole mess. They used methanol to poison people during prohibition after all.

The US government once poisoned alcohol to get people to stop drinking

"In 1926, the federal government increased the amount of methanol, a poisonous alcohol-based substance, required in industrial alcohols, which people at the time used to make bootleg liquor. Faced with the ongoing failure of Prohibition, the increase was intended to discourage people from drinking.

"It gives a greater warning to the drinker that he is getting hold of something that he should leave alone," a government chemist told the New York Times at the time.

But people didn't stop drinking. Thirsty for any booze they could get, many Americans risked drinking the super-poisoned alcohol — and thousands died as a result........"

The feds once poisoned alcohol to deter drinking

 

[zoiDman]

From the "Another Stumble in a Long Line of Stumbles" File.

FDA nomination slips after Biden admin fails to send papers to Congress

 

[zoiDman]

On the Ropes? And Down for The Count?

Hopefully.

‘The White House isn’t supporting him’: Biden’s FDA pick left in limbo - POLITICO

 

[WorksForMe]

First a new FDA Commissioner, and now a new
Director of the Center for Tobacco Products.

Bye bye Mitch.


FDA is Now Accepting Applications for the Position of Director, Center for Tobacco Products (CTP)

The Food and Drug Administration is currently advertising nation-wide and accepting applications for the position of Director, Center for Tobacco Products from 01/26/2022 to 02/25/2022.


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[zoiDman]

Biden's FDA commissioner nominee advances despite Manchin's opposition - CNNPolitics

"I will vote no on Dr. Califf's nomination, and I have never been more profoundly confident of a vote I'm going to cast than I am right now," Manchin said in a speech from the Senate floor Monday, ahead of the filibuster vote, asking his fellow senators to "send a message to this administration, to our President, that we need a new direction at the FDA."

Manchin has been one of several Democrats opposed to Califf because of his ties to the pharmaceutical industry.

"Dr. Califf has shown us who he is, and he has shown a complete lack of interest in actually making the difficult decisions that we need the leader of the FDA to make," Manchin said Monday. "Nothing that Dr. Califf has said or done has led me to believe he will operate the FDA any differently than he did during his previous tenure."

Manchin's Last Sentence pretty much Sums Things Up.

There's nothing in the streets
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by the bye
And a parting on the left
Is now a parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight