Looking for a better rba for my ego twist

[ParanoidPyro]

I just started getting into RBAs and by just, I mean yesterday. I've already rebuilt the atomizer (Vision Eternity) last night to see how hard it was and it wasn't at all. However, I noticed the taste was lacking compared to the 1.5 ohm HH 357 atomizer I've been using forever. Any suggestions? I probably don't want to spend 100 dollars on a top of the line rebuildable atomizer, but I would like to see what suggestions are out there for taste vs quality.

Thank you!

 

[Jerms]

All dripping RBAs work about the same, the main difference being either drawing air from an unsealed connection like the A7 and Eternity or from a side hole like the Phoenix, IGO, Fatty, and many others. And then the Smoktech rda which brings the air from a side hole but reroutes it from below the coil. Either way it results in air being drawn over your coil so the flavor is pretty much the same for all drippers. What you pay for is quality, ease of use, draw preference, and size preference; the flavor is all in how you build your coil.

So that comes down to wire gauge and material, wick size and material, and how you put them together. I've used Kanthal and Nichrome and can't taste a difference between them, but the Kanthal seems to be more durable to me and has more resistance per inch. I would stick with 32ga Kanthal on your Twist. Thicker gauge like 28ga produces better flavor but needs more watts to heat up, drawing more amps than what's safe for a Twist. Wick material is about personal preference when it comes to cotton, silica, stainless steel mesh, hemp etc. Many people swear by SS mesh as producting the best flavor. I like silica, but so far only the German double twisted stuff since it has the best flavor for me and is more durable.

And finally when building your coil, how you build it has different results. Whether your wraps are touching or spaced, how wide you make your wicks, how tight you do the wraps, and so on. Just be sure on your Twist to keep the ohm above 1.5 and that it has no shorts. SS mesh, while loved for it's flavor, can be hard to set-up without running into shorts and could be dangerous to use on your Twist.

My favorite rba so far is the IGO-S. It's tiny and looks great on a Twist, though I use it on my VAMO. I like it's small size and how easy it is to set-up and get the air-hole close to the coil for best results.

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[ParanoidPyro]

Thanks! I will try out some different wrapping methods and stick with the 32ga. Will also look into the IGO-S.

 

[Unforeseen]

Moved to Assorted PV Topics - Rebuildable Atomizer Systems

 

[Satava]

The IGO-S definitely works well on any type of eGo as long as you dont screw up the coil and make it short out or too low of ohms, or too heavy gauge wire. It looks hot too! (Pic from SteamMonkey)

 

[Thyroid]

a7oid costs about same than Vision Eternity and I think it's far better. Idea is same that in GP Spheroid, this is only smaller atty. a7 has same diameter than eGo Twist (14mm) so it should look also very nice on it. a7 is pretty good botton airflow chinese dripping atty, but a7oid reduces the airchamber size quite much; so the taste is much more intense and vapor is thick and warm.

a7oid 'driptip' - small but makes really the difference.

SERA cotton around the tip. Not too tight, little bit puffed with needle for the effective wicking. One loop wick, but the loop can be even smaller than in the picture.

That is quite low coil for my mechanical mod (0.9 ohm) and still no problem with the wicking with 4.0 volts. With Twist, of course ohms should be higher (over 1.2 ohm). Simple one loop wick, the loop touches the moisturised cotton while vaping and you don't have to drip drip drip all the time. 30-45 min. vaping time easily. I don't use very much silica atty nowdays (mostly genesis), but this one I really like.

http://captivape.com/index.php?products&a=products&category_id=5

 

[Nanooks]

Recently I have been using the Fasttech clone cause of the size. Has been working great. May want to use .30 or .32 Kanthal in it for 1.2 to 1.5 ohms so you don't tax the battery too much.

Fasttech Genny

 

[moresalt]

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And finally when building your coil, how you build it has different results. Whether your wraps are touching or spaced, how wide you make your wicks, how tight you do the wraps, and so on. Just be sure on your Twist to keep the ohm above 1.5 and that it has no shorts. SS mesh, while loved for it's flavor, can be hard to set-up without running into shorts and could be dangerous to use on your Twist.

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And since you brought it up what are the effects of the width of the wicks, or wraps touching, or how tight the wraps are? The original question was lack of flavor, and since I'm having a similar problem I'd be interested to know what affects the flavor? I'm assuming that the vapor is sufficient, but flavor is lacking. So I guess that flavor is most affected by the wire gauge and what kind of wick is used?

With the wraps of the coil touching I'd guess that the resistance would decrease or else they'd be a cold spot in the coil...maybe both. I've heard that coil wraps being to tight would cause wicking starvation and that should influence the amount of vapor produced. I haven't thought through the width of the wicks or the spacing between coils so I'm not sure what affect those may have. I'm very Interested in what others may have to say about these details.

 

[CountSmackula]

I use Chids (DID clones) on my Twists. I set them up @ ~2Ω & use 32ga Kanthal for fast response. Great FVT, IMO anyway. If the coil's ohms is too low, you run the risk of frying your Twist.

 

[Tarnacc]

the phoenix deserves mention as well. Very inexpensive, available pretty much everywhere, easy to build on and very versatile. 4/5 wrap 32 kanthal on a verticle mesh worked very well for me for a long time.

 

[Jerms]

And since you brought it up what are the effects of the width of the wicks, or wraps touching, or how tight the wraps are? The original question was lack of flavor, and since I'm having a similar problem I'd be interested to know what affects the flavor? I'm assuming that the vapor is sufficient, but flavor is lacking. So I guess that flavor is most affected by the wire gauge and what kind of wick is used?

With the wraps of the coil touching I'd guess that the resistance would decrease or else they'd be a cold spot in the coil...maybe both. I've heard that coil wraps being to tight would cause wicking starvation and that should influence the amount of vapor produced. I haven't thought through the width of the wicks or the spacing between coils so I'm not sure what affect those may have. I'm very Interested in what others may have to say about these details.

It's ok if the wraps touch, doesn't effect the coil heating evenly or the resistance. They wraps do heat up a little quicker since they are feeding of the surround heat more. How much you space your coils will depend on how much wick you want covered. I try to keep the wraps fairly close, about a mm apart or less, if I'm placing the coil perpendicular to the air-hole. That way air is hitting all the wraps. If you place the coil at more of an angle to the airflow, you can place the wraps further apart while maintaining proper airflow. Also, if your wraps are close you want to make sure there's enough wicking action that the wick doesn't dry where the coil is at when vaping. If you make 8 wraps that are touching at high watts, the wicking won't be able to keep up on a single strand of silica, but may work on a thicker, multi-strand wick or SS mesh wick.

How tight your wraps are is very important with silica. If any wrap is too tight it will choke off wicking action, creating dry hits. If something is preventing proper wicking, you'll get poor flavor production and maybe even nasty dry hits if it's too bad. You also don't want it so loose that it's not making contact with the wick or those areas could get too hot making for a bad flavor.

You can get creative with your coils, just keep in mind you want proper wicking and air-hole placement. The type of material you use for the wick will make a big impact on flavor. The German double-twist silica tastes so much better to me than regular twisted silica. SS mesh is also noted for good flavor, and some prefer the taste of cotton, hemp, ceramic, etc. If the flavor seems lacking with the silica you have but everything else seems to be working fine, you'll want to look at better silica or a different wicking material to get to where you want it.

As far as wire gauge, thicker wire produces better flavor for a lot of people, but as long as you're sticking to using the eGo Twist you have to stick to the thinner wire. For me the bigger jump in taste had more to do with better silica, and even 32ga tastes great with it, with a slighter but noticable jump in flavor with 30ga.

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[ParanoidPyro]

I got the IGO-S2 and it worked really well and was extremely easy to setup for the ego. I did end up getting an evic because I wanted to go lower on my ohms and didn't want the run into problems. Currently, my IGO-S2 is at 1.4ohms and I've ordered some kanthal ribbon (.5mm) and 30 gauge A-1 along with 2.5mm and 3mm silica wicks. I also ordered a Choice dripping RBA so we'll see how that goes.

 

[Jerms]

I got the IGO-S2 and it worked really well and was extremely easy to setup for the ego. I did end up getting an evic because I wanted to go lower on my ohms and didn't want the run into problems. Currently, my IGO-S2 is at 1.4ohms and I've ordered some kanthal ribbon (.5mm) and 30 gauge A-1 along with 2.5mm and 3mm silica wicks. I also ordered a Choice dripping RBA so we'll see how that goes.

Nice! My IGO-S with my VAMO is my prefered set-up. Haven't tried the ribbon wire yet but am curious.

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[ParanoidPyro]

Nice! My IGO-S with my VAMO is my prefered set-up. Haven't tried the ribbon wire yet but am curious.

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I will definitely let you know how the ribbon wire goes.

 

[Satava]

I have some 0.5 and some 0.8 ribbon coming in on Thursday or Friday, gonna be re-wicking and coiling all my RBAs. Can't wait to taste the IGO-L and -S on the 0.5.

 

[Oktyabr]

48 hour sale on rbas and rdas at vaporbank.com I think I paid $20 for my first A7. They have them for $11.99. mini DID genesis with both plastic and stainless tanks, $8.99!!!

 

[ParanoidPyro]

I got the .5 ribbon wire and tried it with the IGO-S2 and the Choice RBA, both amazing. I wrapped about 5 times for 1.1 ohm on a 3mm wick, The choice atomizer itself is pretty good. Great vapor output and very smooth. The posts are decent and having screws rather than a pull on pull off like the vision eternity seems to be much better. No wobbly posts that lose connection like the eternity (which i threw out after about 2 weeks).

 

[Kyi]

Sorry to revive an older thread but I'm kinda in the same situation. I recently purchased an Igo-S (is there a difference between S and S2?) to use with my Ego VV style devices. I picked up some 32 gauge kanthal wire and some 3mm silica wick and few small sheets of SS mesh as well to experiment with. I wanted the Igo-S because I wanted something that would look good or flush with my Ego batts. But now I realize after some thinking, I will probably be primarily dripping at home so size doesn't really matter, unless of course, my batteries can't handle it. I do have a Vmod mini, and I think thats a mechanical but it doesn't seem very powerful, the hits I get out of it now are too wispy and weak so I never use it.

What I want to know is what other cheaper ($25 or less) type RBA's should I get? Or should I get another mechanical instead? I already have too many devices and don't really like using huge looking mods so I would rather not get another PV but I am curious about the experience of using RBA's on a mechanical. Could I use lower ohms on the iTaste MVP or would it still not be good since it's not a mechanical? I want to try the RSST or maybe the Squid/Octopus/Phoenix/AGI/Cobra/whatever (there's just too many diff products to go through)... any suggestions for noob friendly ones? Can I not use lower gauge wire and just wrap it more to make it higher resistance? And why is it some people say the spirals should not touch and others like to make them all touching? I want to try working with some 28 gauge wire and I'm curious about the flat wires too... is there something about the flat design that makes them perform better?

I know, I just dove head first into all this and there is so much to learn!!

 

[Sewage]

I just started getting into RBAs and by just, I mean yesterday. I've already rebuilt the atomizer (Vision Eternity) last night to see how hard it was and it wasn't at all. However, I noticed the taste was lacking compared to the 1.5 ohm HH 357 atomizer I've been using forever. Any suggestions? I probably don't want to spend 100 dollars on a top of the line rebuildable atomizer, but I would like to see what suggestions are out there for taste vs quality.

Thank you!

No disrespect but try using an actual mechanical mod not just a twist.. The outcome would be a lot better for an RBA, but your headed in the right direction.

 

[WattWick]

Igo S on a 450mah ego... so small you can lose it in a pocket. Speaking of which... where did I put it?