LR atty's keep killing my batteries...please advice...

[washvap]

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was trying to tell other members that 1.5 ohm atty's and DCC are not suitable for ego batteries. They shook it off like I didn't know what I was talking about. IMO it doesn't matter if it works for some for a while. It still doesn't make it ok in any way since ego's are not capable of handling the power it takes to power these in the first place.

Glad you posted pics since that's all the proof people will need to determine if the information is correct or not.

Michael, I took a couple of failed 1000 mAh Joye batteries apart.

They had failed after several months of use, including using 1.8 Ohm LR Mega atomizers, the big 1.7 ohm EMDCC and 2.0 Ohm Boge cartos. If you look carefully at the photos (ignoring mechanical damage from pulling the circuit boards out of the "head"), you can notice the failed parts. They are the little burned surface mount R4 and R5 resistors in the circuit's output path.



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Without more analysis, it's impossible to say what these resistors are dissipating, but they have obviously been asked to carry more than they are rated for, and have burned up. My guess would be that on an eGo type battery any atomizer/carto under 2 ohms carries that risk, especially as the button is held down a long time. That would mean 3.3 volts/ 2 ohms = 1.6 Amps is a general limit, which makes sense.

There is room enough on the board to use bigger resistors, but it's likely that above 1.6 amps other parts (including the battery) are unreasonably stressed, so Joye's decision may be sound. The way I look at it is that batteries don't last more than a few months, and they don't cost a fortune, so I don't freak out at replacing them.

If yours fail very quickly, you may be drawing truly an unreasonable current. A 1.5 ohm atty for instance is way over the line. Sorry, but even if you vape on an unregulated (no circuit board) circuit with a high drain AW IMR 14500, you are drawing 4.1 / 1.5 = 2.73 amps, which as I recall is over what even an IMR battery of that size can deliver without suffering reduced life. I'm impressed overall with Joye's designs. Their 1100, 1000 and 650 mAh batteries seem to survive intermittent loads below the 2 Ohm range for months, but I think you need to get into bigger batteries of the 18650 size, and/or a smart VV controller, to continuously use attys/cartos below 2 ohms.

I also have a couple of eGo batteries that failed in less than a week, and the culprit was a LR "T" type atty that was faulty and had dropped below 1.5 ohms. The failure point was the same, the output resistors. You can smell 'em.

 

[Rated-R-Ron]

Thanks for the continued late night support windwalker, I will look into these for sure, and order something soon...

 

[windwalker]

My Pleasure Ron!

I hope it works out well for you and look forward to hearing about what you decide!

 

[sln88]

I also had trouble with what I believe was a LR 306 atty(I have 2 and was dumb and did not label them). I had a freshly charged ego and after about an hour of occasional vaping, the button on the batt started blinking like it needed to be recharged. There is no way I could have drained it that quickly. So, I won't be using that one again. Not worth risking a battery over it

 

[Michael Curry]

Wish I could have stayed up and kept up with you guys last night/this morning.

As far as finding a new supplier, just keep in mind that they all get their stock from the manufacturer, and a bad batch could be spread out among several. If your supplier if fairly high volume, I think I would be inclined to stick with them, figuring that they should have run through the troublesome batch and be in to better stock now. It's a gamble either way... A different supplier might have stock made on the same day as your bad ones...

I would also seriously consider getting a meter - doesn't have to be anything fancy - just something to check ohms with. Sort of a "trust but verify" thing.

The battery autopsy pics are very interesting. Definitely a weak point, the question is, is that a weak link by design?

And this is interesting: I have 5 eGo-T atomizers here. All 5 of them are reading between 1.5 and 1.8 ohms. Somehow, I guess I expected them to be a bit higher than that.

 

[raeberac]

I still enjoy coming back here and still keep an open mind about tips. I love the support here!

 

[TVC70]

Looks like no more 1.6 ohm mega dual coils on my eGo! I'm going back to my standard 510 cartos. Great info, guys!
I'd read of the potential troubles of low resistance on eGo's but never with such specificity.

 

[Fernand]

And this is interesting: I have 5 eGo-T atomizers here. All 5 of them are reading between 1.5 and 1.8 ohms. Somehow, I guess I expected them to be a bit higher than that.

Yeah, I got some of those LR eGo-T atomizers. Need I say I lost more than one battery? I don't know whose idea they are, they try to remedy one of the many flaws in the T system: weak flavor. They do that, and the following week you're vapin' thin air with a waft of burned electronics. I put all that stuff into a baggie labeled "?", and went to Echo-E cartos that are amazing at 2.5 ohms. Even their Dual Coils ohm at 2.2, and those are like vaping off the front of a radiator, so went back to single coils, that vape cooler and last longer anyway. No battery failures, good flavor, enough vapor to disappear in. I'm thinkin' I kinda like those monster EMDCC cartos, and maybe if I hit it with a hammer it will raise the resistance from 1.7 to a passable 2.0? Naaah, I don't think so. So I use 'em on a rig with an 18650 battery.

 

[Rated-R-Ron]

Well, I ended up ordering the 14650 E-Power from Crystal Clear Vaping. It cost a couple $ more than other vendors, but they do seem to throw in several more goodies, so why not?
Looking forward to checking it out!
Mail box watch is officially on!

 

[Michael Curry]

Don't watch too close... On the night of Oct 25-26 I placed an order with them for some carto's. They'll eventually get here... I guess....

 

[rj1]

I would not use lr attys on ego type batteries. I think it also says that on avidvapors website.

 

[mwa102464]

When I first started using Ego type Batts when they very first came out I burnt one out from using LR Atty's. I then learned that chain vaping and over heating the Mosfet connection is what burns out the Ego Batts. As long as you give your Batts a break and dont let them get to hot from chain vaping you wont burn them out, I also seem to feel the higher mAh 900-1100 Ego Batts dont heat up quite as fast as the 650-750 mAh Ego/Riva Batts do. Moral of the story keep two Batts going at the same time with LR Atty's on them so you can switch off from one to the other and you wont blow your Mosfet connections ;-)

 

[Rated-R-Ron]

Don't watch too close... On the night of Oct 25-26 I placed an order with them for some carto's. They'll eventually get here... I guess....

Ouch, are they usually slow with their shipping?

 

[hairball]

When I first started using Ego type Batts when they very first came out I burnt one out from using LR Atty's. I then learned that chain vaping and over heating the Mosfet connection is what burns out the Ego Batts. As long as you give your Batts a break and dont let them get to hot from chain vaping you wont burn them out, I also seem to feel the higher mAh 900-1100 Ego Batts dont heat up quite as fast as the 650-750 mAh Ego/Riva Batts do. Moral of the story keep two Batts going at the same time with LR Atty's on them so you can switch off from one to the other and you wont blow your Mosfet connections ;-)

I agree with mwa on this. I have a bunch of eGo batteries including the very first set I purchased over a year ago..still running strong but I rotate all of my batteries because I chainvape. Don't get them hot and buy the largest mah possible which I believe is the 1100mah (might even have a bigger one than that now). Rotate them around and let one cool and you shouldn't have any problems. Also, I wanted to note that I only use low resistance on them these days and have been for the past 8'ish months. Haven't lost one yet.

 

[mynameisrob]

Rated R Ron,
I spoke with Andrew (CCV) a few days ago and hes fairly swamped with orders right now. I ordered a 15 pack of Resurectors on Sunday and they shipped today (Wednesday). Your E-Power should be shipped in a day or 2. Im glad I saw you went with the E-Power from CCV, cause thats what I was going to recommend that you get. Its a great 3.7V PV that I feel is very affordable. My batteries last from a day to a day and a half and for only $4 bucks for a new one, its not a bad deal. Def try the Ressurector cartos that will come with your e_power. They are freakin awesome. I use them on a daily basis and love um. They hold 2 ml of juice so you wont need to refill too often, one normally lasts me a whole day. I dont know if you ordered anymore cartos but if you did your gona get a syringe with them to fill with. I would HIGHLY recommend using it to fill your cartos. Takes all the guess work out and is very quick and easy. I think you made a great decision goin with the E-Power and I hope you like yours as mch as I love mine. Let me know when you get it.

 

[Rated-R-Ron]

Rated R Ron,
I spoke with Andrew (CCV) a few days ago and hes fairly swamped with orders right now. I ordered a 15 pack of Resurectors on Sunday and they shipped today (Wednesday). Your E-Power should be shipped in a day or 2. Im glad I saw you went with the E-Power from CCV, cause thats what I was going to recommend that you get. Its a great 3.7V PV that I feel is very affordable. My batteries last from a day to a day and a half and for only $4 bucks for a new one, its not a bad deal. Def try the Ressurector cartos that will come with your e_power. They are freakin awesome. I use them on a daily basis and love um. They hold 2 ml of juice so you wont need to refill too often, one normally lasts me a whole day. I dont know if you ordered anymore cartos but if you did your gona get a syringe with them to fill with. I would HIGHLY recommend using it to fill your cartos. Takes all the guess work out and is very quick and easy. I think you made a great decision goin with the E-Power and I hope you like yours as mch as I love mine. Let me know when you get it.

Thaks for the update Rob.
Actually, this will be my very first foray into the world of cartomizers as up until now I've been dripping exclusively.
I haven't ordered any extras because of that.
I still have some reading/Youtubing to do to figure out exactly what they do and how they work, so I'll know what to do when they get here.
Hopefully I can manage without a syringe if I don't get one with the 5 pack that's included in the kit I ordered.
Hopefully it'll be here soon.

 

[tj99959]

But by all means try that old LR 306 atty on your new e-power so that it can smoke a forth switch for you ........ not!

Got news for you if you think the e-power switch is somehow magical and can handle more than the eGo switch can.

 

[Rated-R-Ron]

Geez, I'd hope not. That would not be fun.

 

[Michael Curry]

I'll second that - I think I would have to toss that atty - or mark it so it doesn't get to put another notch in its' belt. I'd probably want to test it first though, just to know. I can deal with equipment failure - unless I can't figure out why it failed.

 

[mynameisrob]

I think you'll really like the ressurectors. I think their a good one to try if your going to try cartos.

I normally use the ressurectors, but do drip occasionally. Normally to try out new juices I made, but I do like dripping sometimes. I use a HH .357 hybrid 2.0ohm as my drip atty with a IMR 14650 hi-drain battery. I don't know of you've ever tried one, but if you like dripping you realllyy should. They are on the expensive side, but they hit like no atty I've ever tried. Huge amts of vapor and th, and really allows you to taste your juices. If you take care of them correctly, they are well worth the $22. I'm going on almost 4 months and it still hits like a dream. I think I'll be able to get at least 6 months out of it. If you think about how many crappy attys you can go thru in 6 months, it's way more than $22 so I can't complain.

What juice did you get as your free one with your epower?