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I know I probably would never have switched. I was chasing that elusive perfect tobacco like most wannabe ex-smoker vapers do. I gave up that chase for a few reasons but one of the main ones was when I found a non-tobacco flavor I liked I realized that I don't need tobacco flavored vape to be satisfied (that's not the case for everyone, i get it). I'm confident I would have given up on vape and gone back to cigs (reluctantly), if there were no non-tobacco flavors. My journey to no-tobacco "flavored" juice was more complex than that, but that's the gist of it.
I dont know. I know if there hadn't been better equipment, even in 2010, than the cigalikes, I wouldn't have switched, but I might have been content with menthol on the best of time equipment.
Funny because my go to flavor for many years now is peppermint but I never wanted to try any type of mint or menthol since I always hated menthol cigarettes. Turns out I love minty vapes. And that was it - I ditched the idea of tobacco flavors after that. I also had a bad experience with a tobacco flavor right before that so it made it very easy.
Not to be meta, but I’m taking about zero flavor. Anyone who wants to quit smoking only had the choice of vaping with just PG, VG and nicotine.
Folks post all of the time saying they are searching for a particular flavor, whether it be a menthol, tobacco, or cereal in order to quit smoking. If someone wants to quit and had only unflavored juice to choose, would they still do it?
Would teenagers still want to try it in order to look cool?
I’ve come to the realization that the hand-to-mouth action, throat hit and sensation of exhaling of vapor might be enough to keep me off cigarettes.
Folks post all of the time saying they are searching for a particular flavor, whether it be a menthol, tobacco, or cereal in order to quit smoking. If someone wants to quit and had only unflavored juice to choose, would they still do it?
Would teenagers still want to try it in order to look cool?
I’ve come to the realization that the hand-to-mouth action, throat hit and sensation of exhaling of vapor might be enough to keep me off cigarettes.
Well, to be honest, I mostly vape unflavored juice called EZbase 3MG 80VG/20PG from a company called NICVAPE. I honestly don't like most flavors and some juices really irritate my mouth. The only flavored juice I use is Jam Monster and that is very rarely. The unintended benefit is that my coils last a very long time. I really am in it for the nicotine not the flavors, and whether I am right or wrong, I think it is healthier to avoid flavored juice. I know I am boring and foolish, but that is what I do.
Are you still ordering from them? Their site confuses me because the marquee near the top states they are no longer shipping but now they have a popup that states they are only not "servicing" 5 states (Arkansas, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts and Wisconsin)
For sure. The less junk in the juice, the longer the coil will last.
You're probably right IMHO. I can't stand unflavored juice, but many ECFers vape unflavored. I wish I could do it.
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They won't ship it to me either, so I have to go pick it up. It is about a 2 hour drive, but I am willing to do it to keep my mouth happy.Are you still ordering from them? Their site confuses me because the marquee near the top states they are no longer shipping but now they have a popup that states they are only not "servicing" 5 states (Arkansas, Illinois, Maine, Massachusetts and Wisconsin)
For sure. The less junk in the juice, the longer the coil will last.
You're probably right IMHO. I can't stand unflavored juice, but many ECFers vape unflavored. I wish I could do it.
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Can I ask you what state you live in?
Have you considered mixing your own? It would be super easy since it's unflavored. Just buy concentrated nic base and mix the appropriate amount of VG and PG to get your 3mg 80VG mix. List of US Retailers Still Shipping 100mg Nicotine Base | E-Cigarette Forum
Have you considered mixing your own? It would be super easy since it's unflavored. Just buy concentrated nic base and mix the appropriate amount of VG and PG to get your 3mg 80VG mix. List of US Retailers Still Shipping 100mg Nicotine Base | E-Cigarette Forum
I actually have made my own DIY juice, and you are correct, it was easy with the 3MG base. I especially like coffee flavored juice and NICVAPE sells some good flavoring IMHO. They have since split off that part of the business so they will actually ship their flavors anywhere. It was good, but I don't mind unflavored like I said, and it is just easier. I guess I am both boring and lazy. I really appreciate your 'no comment' on my personality
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I actually have made my own DIY juice, and you are correct, it was easy with the 3MG base. I especially like coffee flavored juice and NICVAPE sells some good flavoring IMHO. They have since split off that part of the business so they will actually ship their flavors anywhere. It was good, but I don't mind unflavored like I said, and it is just easier. I guess I am both boring and lazy. I really appreciate your 'no comment' on my personality
Yes, but the reason I ask is because we may not be able to order nic base at some point or the price will go sky high due to taxation (they tried 2 times now to put federal tax on it where a liter would have a $3,000 tax), it's the whole reason I bothered to make and maintain this list. I don't know how much you vape in a day, but a liter of 100mg concentrated nic base could last you a long time (if not your lifetime) at 3mg, if stored in a glass bottle in the freezer.
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I am so sorry Mr. UncleJunkie, I really misunderstood your question. Yes, I have bought concentrated nic juice from both CarolinaXtract and NICVAPE in the past and diluted it myself. I hope if they get ridiculous on taxes that I will get a little notice so I can stock up. It is pretty easy to dilute concentrated nic juice and I do have all the equipment to do it. But considering I am so lazy, I just chose to skip that unless I really have to. As it is 1 liter of 3MG base lasts me almost 6 months. So yes, I will get the concentrated version if I have to, maybe even the next time I need to drive to NICVAPE since that will reduce the number of times I need to drive to SC, which would be good considering the cost of gas. Thanks.
I don't mean to belabor this, but I just want to say one last thing: it's not just the tax and legislation, but also companies just up and going out of business. For instance, Wizard Labs recently shut it's doors, and if you look at my list, you will see a list of vendors who either went out of business or stopped selling nicotine since March/April 2021.
No, I am actually enjoying this conversation and talking to you. I actually just looked it up on their website, it would save me a ton of money as well. 1L of 50MG nic juice basically costs the same as 1L of 3 MG. PG/VG juice to cut it with can't be all that expensive. You may have just saved me money, another unintended benefit
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Yeah, it's just not a good plan to wait and see if things get worse. They will likely only get worse because in the USA that has always been the case with vaping. And there's no guarantee you'll get any ample notice with time enough to stock up. So many people on here and reddit have come out of the woodwork after years of just thinking everything was just going to stay the same, wondering why they can't get this and that. It's all because they cannot read the writing on the wall and don't understand the relationship the US govt has with tobacco and the lengths they will go to to keep it out of our reach (but cigarettes are easy to get). I and other have been stocking up on vape gear and nic base for many years now. The writing was on the wall many years ago for those that have eyes to see.
Is a 'meta' a bad thing to be?
If unflavored was all that was initially available, I probably would not have vaped. Over time, I found that I like flavors less and less. If I get an urge to go wild and have some flavor, I will put a drop or three of commercial down the ole drip tip - I squonk so that works for me.
As to the hand to mouth, hit and exhalation, I have grown to realize that whole ritual was and is very important in my staying off cigarettes. I think you are dead on right, perhaps in a meta sort of way.
Of course you are 100% correct, even the B&M vape shops have changed. All they carry now is disposables, pods, CBD stuff, glassware and a little bit of juice. Long gone are the days of getting wire, cotton and lord help you a decent RDA/RTA/mod. I really want to keep my local B&M in business, but there is really very little they carry that I want. Thanks for all the good advice, sorry I misunderstood at the beginning. My favorite online stores won't even ship to me anymore. Things are pretty bad and they will get worse. Thanks for your help.
Yeah, it's just not a good plan to wait and see if things get worse. They will likely only get worse because in the USA that has always been the case with vaping. And there's no guarantee you'll get any ample notice with time enough to stock up. So many people on here and reddit have come out of the woodwork after years of just thinking everything was just going to stay the same, wondering why they can't get this and that. It's all because they cannot read the writing on the wall and don't understand the relationship the US govt has with tobacco and the lengths they will go to to keep it out of our reach (but cigarettes are easy to get). I and other have been stocking up on vape gear and nic base for many years now. The writing was on the wall many years ago for those that have eyes to see.
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